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Are we attractive to superich investors?

Its something thats been mentioned in passing on other threads, and I think it would be interesting to think what the pros and cons would be with a Cardiff style takeover to push us into the Prem.

I think that we are far more attractive to an investor (Im probably talking about a foreign one here) then a club like Cardiff. Heres why:

We have a large chunk of London and Kents population to grab more supporters from.
We already have a premiership quality stadium that can be extended if we managed a Malaga CF style surge into the Prem Top 5/Champions League.
The simple fact that we are based in London, arguably the greatest city on the planet, and a plethora of further opportunities that could make the club more money.
All of the above would make it easier to attract players, from home and abroad.
A lot of foreign investors seem to like clubs with a half decent history and few stories to tell from the past, we have bags of that.
Already have decent crowds by championship standards that can easily be built on with a sustained period of Premiership consolidation.

A few of those can probably be lumped together, but those are my thoughts....
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  • Decent stadium and training ground, owned by club.
    'Safe' image, a family club, that's fairly popular with neutrals

    Plus
    We already play in red, so no need for a Cardiff style rebrand :-)
  • train station near by.
  • edited April 2013
    Any London club has an edge over most other clubs.
    It's all about location.
  • Disagree with some of your points.

    We have a large chunk of London and Kents population to grab more supporters from.
    Yes but were also competing for the same support with West Ham and their new 60,000 seater stadium, Spurs, Chelsea & Arsenal aswell as Millwall, Palace and even Gillingham on a more local level. Cardiff for instance have a massive city to themselves aswell as other sizable towns such as Barry, Newport etc... fair enough they do have to compete with the more popular Rugby Union .
  • Have you taken a look at the fans around the Valley on match day?
  • Soup rich? I heard a rumour Brighton was being taken over by confirmed Batchelors.
  • Curb_It said:

    Have you taken a look at the fans around the Valley on match day?

    Big vern.
  • I think factors such as price, income and debt would influence buyers before any of the above.

    If rumours are to be believed we've had a few interested parties this season who have walked away when they've heard the price and/or seen the books.

  • I think factors such as price, income and debt would influence buyers before any of the above.

    If rumours are to be believed we've had a few interested parties this season who have walked away when they've heard the price and/or seen the books.

    Was just about to type almost exactly this.
  • edited April 2013
    I suspect that London is getting a bit 'overclubbed'. It'll be more congested still if Brentford get promotion this year and if (when) QPR tumble. The Championship will have a glut of London/SE based clubs.
    I do not think that Charlton has the capacity, location and stadium to be regarded as a potential superclub.
    Most recent takeovers by megarich foreigners have been of clubs with little local competition and fairly new stadia. The exception might be QPR, but the super oops are located near the west end and near to monied areas.
    I really hope that I am wrong. I'd love to see us hammer Barcelona in a Super Euro Cup final before I die.
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  • No or else it wouldve happend by now
  • Probably not for all the reasons Lincs stated. We should have done it when we were in The Prem now it's too late I feel.
  • A realistic asking price is the key. I think the debt to previous directors on any return to the prem is also a factor. I would love to know how much our true debt is now. My guess would be around 40 million.
  • Tbh i can only see it if we go into admin and then we screw local business and those who invested prior to admin none of whom are super rich and i wouldnt feel to happy about the impact we had on those people and i would find it hard to justify chasing the dream
    At the expense of familes homes and food

    Should be able to self fund and compete but this business is not like any other
  • Then again Kevin Cash was a super rich investor.
  • Next season, London will probably have: 5 teams in the PL (2nd best supported league in Europe), 5 teams in the Championship (4th best supported). Does any other capital or big city in Europe come remotely close to that?

    (Not even counting Reading, Watford, etc.)
  • I was thinking this earlier today, can't believe we haven't been taken over again already.
  • If Kevin Cash is still involved/has a large investment then he may end up having to pay off TJ to take him out of the equation and look for new investment/owners off his own back.

    Obviously all speculation but rumours that TJ is pricing himself out of any potential deals would have a massive impact on Cash cutting his losses and getting rid. With him out of the equation it may be easier to find investment.
  • I think all London clubs are attractive, just because of the location alone. There's always going to be potential.
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  • We really don't know much/enough about the circumstances regarding Kevin Cash's alleged withdrawal of funding last summer. Maybe it concerned a difference of opinion on the extent to which we should push for a rapid further promotion to the Prem, rather than a season of consolidation, If so, and now that SCP has proved himself to be an astute manager, it could be game back on. KC back in the saddle, a decent level of investment in the summer, go for promotion next season and then aim to sell at a higher price.

    All conjecture of course, but it might be the only way to get his dosh back. So, why not him as the new/old sugar daddy rather than a foreign moneybags?
  • Davo55 said:

    We really don't know much/enough about the circumstances regarding Kevin Cash's alleged withdrawal of funding last summer. Maybe it concerned a difference of opinion on the extent to which we should push for a rapid further promotion to the Prem, rather than a season of consolidation, If so, and now that SCP has proved himself to be an astute manager, it could be game back on. KC back in the saddle, a decent level of investment in the summer, go for promotion next season and then aim to sell at a higher price.

    All conjecture of course, but it might be the only way to get his dosh back. So, why not him as the new/old sugar daddy rather than a foreign moneybags?

    I'd imagine the board will push for promotion next season. We've had a season to consolidate, now it's time to go up.

    It's no secret the board want to be in the Premeirship - that's where the big money is. Especially with the new TV deal (3x the amount of the current one), the income is ridiculously high for Premiership clubs now.
  • On the basis that we don't have any super rich investors I assume we are not attractive to super rich investors.
  • Then again Kevin Cash was a super rich investor.

    It seems we're attractive, and alluring, to super rich investors...but only as a one night stand.
  • I struggle to see how promotion to the Premier League can ever enable an investor to get their money out personally.

    Firstly the cost of getting there is getting closer and closer to the total TV revenue for the one season that a club is guaranteed to be there. Without investing some of that money the club will almost certainly come straight back down again - and may well do so anyway.

    To establish a club in the Premier League would cost so much money that it would be unthinkable that a new owner would buy it for the cost of getting there plus a mark up.

    TJ is, allegedly, discovering that buying a club for a pound and loading it up with debt to get promoted doesn't make it worth £35m more inside thirty months.

    I, honestly, can't see anyway anyone can make any money owning a football club. The sheer cost of financing the players wages seems to prevent any club from doing anything other than losing money. Sure, this is possible with a massive club with the history of success and almost unlimited demand for tickets for games, but if you wanted to buy, say, Arsenal it would probably set you back a billion pounds. It would take a long time to earn that back from trading profits, and let's remember that they have not won a trophy for something like eight years.

    Buying Charlton (even for £1) with £40m of debts and a squad that is probably not good enough to get promoted to the Premier League means that with a £10m transfer budget and another £10m loss next season you would (if successful enough to win promotion - no mean feat) benefit to the tune of a £70m TV windfall with £60m of debt, and another c.£10m+ trading loss.

    If anyone was stupid enough to pay £35m to buy the club in those circumstances they would, almost certainly, lose a fortune.

    I suspect that the cash injections that have been made since the last takeover are directors loans and are repayable in the event of a change of ownership which suggests that the, actual, cost of buying the club for £35m is closer to £50m. Very few people that can afford that are stupid enough to ever consider doing it, in my view.

  • I, honestly, can't see anyway anyone can make any money owning a football club. The sheer cost of financing the players wages seems to prevent any club from doing anything other than losing money.

    Starting from here you're probably right.
    I may be dim tho', if we were able to start again, and our annual income was, say, £10 mil. Would not the sensible thing to do be only spend £9,999,999?
    Yes it would mean tumbling down the leagues, certainly at first, but would mean the club has a chance of survival.
    The only alternative is to go out of business altogether, or be a rich persons plaything, or win the euro millions, or get a sugar daddy, or hope that the cargo cultists are right!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
  • What we do know is that losing £8 million per season is not an option for the club ongoing. Could be interesting times ahead one way or another.
  • Old director debt is repayable at 1.5m a year and only in the prem so neglible.

    I do think we should sit them in the East stand it looked minging from the West stand for Bolton and with the pitch too really desolate.
  • A big fat no methinks
  • From what i can remember a certain person was putting 1million per month into Charlton to keep them going,not a good point for new investers i think.God knows what the asking price is for Charlton but it must be to high aprice
    or we would have new owners by now i think.
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