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Why do we not hold away fans back in for 20 mins after end of game in high risk games?

Fortune 82nd MinuteFortune 82nd Minute
in General Charlton
Sorry if this has been done elsewhere but I can't find a link.

I've never understood why when he have a "high-risk" game, we don't hold away fans back in the Jimmy Seed stand for say 20 minutes after the game so the home fans can disperse without having to come into contact with the away muppets. Whilst I've got no problems walking up Floyd Road when the Palace pratts are on the other side of the riot police line - actually quite enjoy it, to be honest - doing it with the Millwall lot on Saturday is another kettle of fish. Frankly, I think I might park "up the top" to avoid having to be anywhere near them.

Appreciate that for 98% of our home games holding away fans back is totally unnecessary but for certain games like Saturday I'm all in favour of it.

Anyone know why we don't do it? I can only assume that the club is maybe afraid of the damage that might be done to the ground whilst holding the away fans in.
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  • JodaiusJodaius
    I might be wrong, but surely this would be a decision for the police, not the club? I'm not sure that the club could unilaterally decide to hold fans in unless there was a serious and immediate safety concern.
  • SE10SE10
    edited March 2013
    Knowing us we'd hold 16k home fans back instead...
  • PlaaayerPlaaayer
    Because we enjoy being chased back to the station.

    Chase me, chase me!
  • aliwibblealiwibble
    Speak for yourself Plaayer.
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    edited March 2013
    There will be no need to hold the Millwall fans in after the game as the berlin wall (the same one that was at Selhurst) will be in place. All Charlton fans will be re-directed via alternative routes (none will be allowed to walk up Floyd Road) and Millwall will be put on trains and removed from the area.

    The Police have this one planned, so that Millwall and Charlton will not cross paths after the game.
  • nollynolly
    And here it starts.....
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    nolly said:

    And here it starts.....

    It won't start Nolly. The OB will make sure of that!! ;o)
  • nollynolly
    edited March 2013
    No but I was hopeful with the humor shown on here about the lions tail etc we wouldn't see these postings this will be the floodgate to high anxiety now
  • RedroboRedrobo
    I cannot believe that they are not. The police are so concerned that they have bought the game forward but are not taking this quite basic step to keep the peace.

    They should also let the coaches go straight down the lower road so that these 'sitting targets' are well away and not stuck in the one way system. The fact that I know that they will not be doing this is why I will be driving to the game with my son

    If it does kick off and someone gets really hurt or worse then they will be spouting out about lessons to be learn't etc. Pathetic, but hey ho, more overtime next match.

  • Fortune 82nd MinuteFortune 82nd Minute
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    There will be no need to hold the Millwall fans in after the game as the berlin wall (the same one that was at Selhurst) will be in place. All Charlton fans will be re-directed via alternative routes (none will be allowed to walk up Floyd Road) and Millwall will be put on trains and removed from the area.

    The Police have this one planned, so that Millwall and Charlton will not cross paths after the game.

    Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating?

    If so, how the hell do Charlton fans get back to the station or all the roads around the station?
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  • nollynolly
    edited March 2013
    There is a storm coming
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    Fortune 82nd Minute said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    There will be no need to hold the Millwall fans in after the game as the berlin wall (the same one that was at Selhurst) will be in place. All Charlton fans will be re-directed via alternative routes (none will be allowed to walk up Floyd Road) and Millwall will be put on trains and removed from the area.

    The Police have this one planned, so that Millwall and Charlton will not cross paths after the game.

    Do you know this for a fact or are you just speculating?

    If so, how the hell do Charlton fans get back to the station or all the roads around the station?
    To be honest, it's what someone told me in the pub in Peterborough last week. Could be speculation could be true. Who knows?
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    My understanding is Floyd Road will be blocked for CA fans who will be re-directed to the station via Ransom walk and the Woolwich Rd.
  • letthegoodtimesrollletthegoodtimesroll
    With charlton winning 3-0 at half time most millwall fans will leave the valley early...
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    Thanks Henry, some truth in what I was told then.
  • killerandflashkillerandflash
    It's pointless segregating the exit to the ground, when thousands of fans will then join the same queue for the train platforms. As many Charlton fans are on the 'London' side as the 'Kent' side.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    Thanks Henry, some truth in what I was told then.

    That was the Police plan a few weeks ago but it might have been changed.
  • Fortune 82nd MinuteFortune 82nd Minute
    Henry Irving said:

    My understanding is Floyd Road will be blocked for CA fans who will be re-directed to the station via Ransom walk and the Woolwich Rd.

    Laugh out loud! So let's inconvenience all the home fans instead of the Millwall headcases. As SE10 says above, only Charlton could do this!

  • RedroboRedrobo
    Henry Irving said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    Thanks Henry, some truth in what I was told then.

    That was the Police plan a few weeks ago but it might have been changed.
    So the plan is that we go seperate ways to the station and have the punch up there.
    How many CSE's do you need to run a police force nowadays?
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    I think "our" police listen to and work well with the Club.

    From my experience from the Safety Advisory Group and from meeting with the Palace police ours are a lot better than theirs.

    Not saying I always agreed with their decisions or do now but I don't think the officers I've met were thick or thoughtless. Quite often they have to deal with conflicting demands from within the police service as well as from the public.

    I really hope the Supporters' Trust can build a relationship with the police.
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  • redmanredman
    Henry Irving said:

    My understanding is Floyd Road will be blocked for CA fans who will be re-directed to the station via Ransom walk and the Woolwich Rd.

    So let me get this right. 16,000 home fans are being asked to funnel and squeeze under the small tunnel? Sounds an accident waiting to happen.
    I really hope this is someone's idea of a joke.

  • stonemusestonemuse
    nolly said:

    There is a storm coming

    Should be safe then ...lions don't like rain ;-)
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    edited March 2013
    redman said:

    Henry Irving said:

    My understanding is Floyd Road will be blocked for CA fans who will be re-directed to the station via Ransom walk and the Woolwich Rd.

    So let me get this right. 16,000 home fans are being asked to funnel and squeeze under the small tunnel? Sounds an accident waiting to happen.
    I really hope this is someone's idea of a joke.


    Not 16,000 as plenty don't go towards the station.

    Anyway, I'm not part of the SAG anymore so I'm not in a position to explain the what and why.

    Serious and polite suggestion Redman or anyone else.

    If you think it is a poor idea then email

    mick.everett@cafc.co.uk

    jason.evans@met.police.uk

    and ask them to explain their reasoning.

    We can all moan on here but that won't change anything. Speaking to those who are involved just might.
  • CatAddickCatAddick
    What about those of us who need to travel back to central London. Will we be held on Charlton Church Lane until the station is 'safe'? - or should we join the Kent bound hordes and hurl abuse across the platform?

    (agree with OP - back in the day it was quite normal for ANY oppo fans to be held for 20-30 mins, why not now?)
  • Chris_from_SidcupChris_from_Sidcup
    If that is the plan then it does seem ridiculous. The home fans have to be inconvenienced and go a different way (basically the long way round) to the station when they could just keep Millwall in the ground for 15 minutes.

    And what exactly is the police's plan for when we've got to the station and have to join the same platform to get on the same trains.
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    mick.everett@cafc.co.uk

    jason.evans@met.police.uk
  • JarmanJarman
    Can't wait to smash those mugs up,
    kna what i mean bruv?
  • CatAddickCatAddick
    I asked Mick...

    Hi

    Thanks for the email,

    I can advise you that the Police meeting for the Millwall game has not yet taken place, so no decisions have been made regarding the post-match operation.

    Once we are aware of the details, the club will advise supporters accordingly.

    Kind Regards


    Mick Everett
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    Everyone's moaning about being put out a little for just one game of the season.

    If they do all of this and there is no trouble, the police have done their job well.

    I would say just swallow it for this game, it'll all be back to normal against Bolton.
  • AddickUpNorthAddickUpNorth
    Jarman said:

    Can't wait to smash those mugs up,
    kna what i mean bruv?

    Not helping matters mate :o( tis the end of the world as we know it. . . . . . . .
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