Oh, I just LOVE these types of threads, brings back some top memories!
Here's my team.....
John Vaughan - Midget, what on earth was he doing as a keeper?
Reuben Agboola - One game against Arsenal and we sent him back to Saints. John Pender - Made Steve Thompson look mobile Talal El Khalej - The fattest man I have seen in a Charlton shirt, what was Curbs thinking? Djimi Traore - How does he get away with it?
Ralph Milne - Cult hero status, but he was terrible during his time with us. Amdy Faye - Simply abysmal. Neil Redfearn - Terrible signing, too fat and slow to play in a two-man midfield and scandalously picked in front of Keith Jones.
Mark McCammon - Played like a coked-up Frank Bruno. Mike Small - An embarassment, made JFH look like Craig Bellamy. Francis Jeffers - Total waste of 2.5 million quid. No heart, no desire, no pace or strength.
i Cant remember who it was against but im sure i remember Kim grant going 1 on 1 with the keeper and tripping over his own feet. very funny. i think he came on as sub once and got boooed so much he got took off again.
Yeah, but Lisbie could score another two hat-tricks against them and it still would not mean as much to me as that night in the snow at The Den. Grant was woeful though, I remember when we sold him to Luton and he came back to The Valley for the first time and he was useless for them too. I think that the classic Grant miss was in a home game with Notts County (which we won 5-1) and he played on the right wing and somehow hit the post from two yards when he had an open goal in front of the Covered End. He got some terrible stick for that and I think Curbs took him off soon after.
Sorry, but I would have limited ability triers like Grant or Lisbie in front of a big-head non-trying twat like Jeffers any day of the week. Who else remembers the home game againts Saints when their big lump centre-half challenged Jeffers in the air and Jeffers went round holding his neck like a big tart for five minutes and then asked to be subbed because he had a "sore neck", what a feckin girl. Can you imagine Shearer or even Baby Bent going off with a "sore neck?" What a twat.
Regarding Kevin Smith you judge on what you see. I was still playing sport at that time so didn't see every match but Kevin Smith always had a decent game in the matches I saw to the point that I was sorry to see him go. I also think he was (and presumably is) a Charlton fan. Thanks Len for the defence against Lucy lou's harsh attack!
Yes he was and still is a Charlton fan :-) . I too thought he was an OK player unlucky to be displaced by some Danish player drafted in from Barcelona. I know that Kevin Smith is a regular still at most Charlton games
Carl Tiler, expected more for the standard we were at amongst other names mentioned
He may have had a poor scoring record but he had cult status amongst the Covered End faithful. You can't forget the song, to the tune of Hot Love by T Rex...
La La La Barry Endean
As for other rubbish players, what about Ray Crawford or Alan Ellis or Luciano Marcielo (sic) or Bobby Goldthorpe or Alan Dugdale or Michael Paye or Eamon Dunphy or Harry Cripps or Terry Brisley or Dave Mehmet or Dave Shipperly (His own goal against Orient was a classic. If the cameras were around in those days, it would feature on one of those own goals and gaffs DVD's forever)
Anyone who had to witness the dross from the early 70's would surely have to pick their worst Charlton 11 from that era
[cite]Posted By: Valley_McMoist[/cite]
Anyone who had to witness the dross from the early 70's would surely have to pick their worst Charlton 11 from that era
You are so right Valley. Kevin Lisbie would have been the best player on the pitch if he had been around at that time!!
There's a lot of players mentioned here that played a ton of games and were the backbone of the team for years.....they had their faults, but people are only remembering them for a very occasional clanger - and every player, even the Darren Bents & Scott Carsons foul up sometimes.
Les Berry, for example, not perfect but was solid enough and good enough for years.....yet he gets slagged off.
Our Hong Kong international Charlie Wright, by comparison was a first class keeper and would often make blinding save after blinding save to earn us valuable points - but when he fecked up, man did he feck up. But he doesn't, quite Wrightly, get a mention.
And if that example is too long ago for some, then brilliant keepers like Nicky Johns, Bob Bolder and Dean Kiely would occasionally hold their head in shame. Examples: Keily v that 99-00 match home v Swindon which bounced off his chest, 0-1. Carson home v Pompey this year, where he completely misread he situation, 0-1.
And, naturally, these players should be remembered for what they did right and not for the odd slip up.
Now, if you want a useless keeper: Mike Amann, who couldn't even catch the ball. :-)
I wouldn't fight you over some but Big Dave Shipperley, (father of Neil) aka Lurch, surely not? John Dunn was a decent keeper in my opinion except for an occasional rush of blood. Derek Bellotti, Tony Burns and Charlie Wright were worse than him. Goldthorpe will always be a hero for the equalising goal in the promotion game against Preston. I agree the Italian geezer was pants and Ray Crawford never came close to expectations. What about Dickie Plumb or Harry Gregory or Dennis Booth in the old second division? Gregory had one good season 68/9 but otherwise was complete crap.
As for Manager, I give you Theo Foley. Relegation survival x 2 plus relegation to div three, followed by two years of complete dross and failure. (Only claim to fame was signing Killer and Flash, so good at spotting talent, but total crap at managing it)
Alternatively I offer you Ken Craggs, who could be worse than Mullery? How about his assistant?
I can't believe people have mentioned Phil Chapple and John Pender on this thread. Sure they wouldn't be up to Prem football now - or Div 1 football then - but they were both decent enough players who we picked up for peanuts, did well enough for us and always gave their all.
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Here's my team.....
John Vaughan - Midget, what on earth was he doing as a keeper?
Reuben Agboola - One game against Arsenal and we sent him back to Saints.
John Pender - Made Steve Thompson look mobile
Talal El Khalej - The fattest man I have seen in a Charlton shirt, what was Curbs thinking?
Djimi Traore - How does he get away with it?
Ralph Milne - Cult hero status, but he was terrible during his time with us.
Amdy Faye - Simply abysmal.
Neil Redfearn - Terrible signing, too fat and slow to play in a two-man midfield and scandalously picked in front of Keith Jones.
Mark McCammon - Played like a coked-up Frank Bruno.
Mike Small - An embarassment, made JFH look like Craig Bellamy.
Francis Jeffers - Total waste of 2.5 million quid. No heart, no desire, no pace or strength.
Never saw him play. Thank god.....
But Franny Jeffers, good shout. What a waste of Money. My Nan was better than him.
December 5th, 1995
Millwall 0 - 2 Charlton Athletic (Grant, 2)
That buys him a whole lot of leeway for the rest of his shite performances!!!
lol - priceless!!
Grant was woeful though, I remember when we sold him to Luton and he came back to The Valley for the first time and he was useless for them too.
I think that the classic Grant miss was in a home game with Notts County (which we won 5-1) and he played on the right wing and somehow hit the post from two yards when he had an open goal in front of the Covered End. He got some terrible stick for that and I think Curbs took him off soon after.
Didnt Kim Grant score against liverpool in the fa cup at anfeild? Anyway still shite!
Yes.
Jeffers, apart from his first game for us (remember that take and shot against Villa) was truely awful.
Redfern was a season (or two) too late- and even though he was bad- his goal against Wimbledon on Boxing day brightened a few addick's day
Pringle- you are having a laugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For me Lisbie, for the time with us, and the wages drawn, despite his Liverpool hatrick and Chelsea winner, gets the captain of this XI's armband.
Who else remembers the home game againts Saints when their big lump centre-half challenged Jeffers in the air and Jeffers went round holding his neck like a big tart for five minutes and then asked to be subbed because he had a "sore neck", what a feckin girl. Can you imagine Shearer or even Baby Bent going off with a "sore neck?" What a twat.
Regarding Kevin Smith you judge on what you see. I was still playing sport at that time so didn't see every match but Kevin Smith always had a decent game in the matches I saw to the point that I was sorry to see him go. I also think he was (and presumably is) a Charlton fan. Thanks Len for the defence against Lucy lou's harsh attack!
Yes he was and still is a Charlton fan :-) . I too thought he was an OK player unlucky to be displaced by some Danish player drafted in from Barcelona. I know that Kevin Smith is a regular still at most Charlton games
Carl Tiler, expected more for the standard we were at amongst other names mentioned
'...Barry Endean 1 goal in 27 games...'
He may have had a poor scoring record but he had cult status amongst the Covered End faithful. You can't forget the song, to the tune of Hot Love by T Rex...
La La La Barry Endean
As for other rubbish players, what about Ray Crawford or Alan Ellis or Luciano Marcielo (sic) or Bobby Goldthorpe or Alan Dugdale or Michael Paye or Eamon Dunphy or Harry Cripps or Terry Brisley or Dave Mehmet or Dave Shipperly (His own goal against Orient was a classic. If the cameras were around in those days, it would feature on one of those own goals and gaffs DVD's forever)
Anyone who had to witness the dross from the early 70's would surely have to pick their worst Charlton 11 from that era
Les Berry, for example, not perfect but was solid enough and good enough for years.....yet he gets slagged off.
Our Hong Kong international Charlie Wright, by comparison was a first class keeper and would often make blinding save after blinding save to earn us valuable points - but when he fecked up, man did he feck up. But he doesn't, quite Wrightly, get a mention.
And if that example is too long ago for some, then brilliant keepers like Nicky Johns, Bob Bolder and Dean Kiely would occasionally hold their head in shame. Examples: Keily v that 99-00 match home v Swindon which bounced off his chest, 0-1. Carson home v Pompey this year, where he completely misread he situation, 0-1.
And, naturally, these players should be remembered for what they did right and not for the odd slip up.
Now, if you want a useless keeper: Mike Amann, who couldn't even catch the ball. :-)
In his defence, John Vaughan was a good shot stopper. I seem to remember him playing well in an FA cup replay against Bristol City (1994?)
Jim Stannard
Michael Paye
Maurice Setters
Alan Dugdale
Dietmar Bruck
Alan Ellis
Eamon Dunphy
Vigo Jacobssen
Luciano Marcinelo (sic)
Ray Crawford
Barry Endean
Subs: John Dunn, Dave Shipperly, Bobby Goldthorpe, Dave Mehmet, Mike Small
Manager: Alan Mullery
As for Manager, I give you Theo Foley. Relegation survival x 2 plus relegation to div three, followed by two years of complete dross and failure. (Only claim to fame was signing Killer and Flash, so good at spotting talent, but total crap at managing it)
Alternatively I offer you Ken Craggs, who could be worse than Mullery? How about his assistant?
Contrast them with crud like Franny Jeffers.