This is as silly as some saying its all Powell's fault. Neither is right but he has made a lot of mistakes.
In my opinion we were negative today in that a LB replaced a LM to protect what we had and then once losing he brings on two forwards. Ok we missed chances early on but they missed loads second half. We settled for 1-0 and once again in blew up in our faces.
Large usual response have an unnecessary pop at tj when he has given us zilch evidence of ever sacking Powell
It's been close on a couple of occasions. In my opinion if TJ wants to get to the PL and if we have some money in the summer to attempt that then TJ might decide that CP is not the person to trust with that money.
Last week yes, this week no. No sub he could have made beforehand could have prevented individual errors costing goals. Palace had the quality to see it out, wont place blame on Powell for that. Wiggo for a winger is strange mind though.
To my way of thinking you should ALWAYS use your subs............you have 14 players that can take part & I see no reason why you shouldn;t try and use at least 12 or 13 of them........
Apart from injuries I would use subs for the following reasons - sometimes tactical, sometimes because a player is having a stinker but generally because it is a fresh pair of legs. The last thing after 70/75 mins a tired, lumbering centre half wants on a wet,muddy pitch like last week is a bright, quick, fresh-legged forward like BWP or Haynes to run at them.
I see no point in bringing someone on at the 90th min - use them before then.
Six points dropped in two games through Powells negativeness. Tries to protect a lead by being too negative and then next thing you are chasing the game. How about scoring again and putting the game to bed and picking up three points? Nah, why do that, much too sensible.
Needs to learn and fast as at the moment he is trying his best to lose his job in my opinion. Won't take much for TJ et al to pull the trigger.
(Reluctantly) agree with this, Powell needs to accept when he is wrong and act otherwise the inevitable will happen
Well, first of all, it sounds like we wasted too many chances first half so the bulk of the blame goes to the players who blew the chances.
When we went in only one up I feared the worst. Part of that fear came from knowing Olly would be bold and make changes. He did and Palace improved but it seemed as if we'd weathered the storm. That was the time to make some changes imo, bring on fresh legs and probably be a bit more offensive in an attempt to kill the game. Instead we continued to sit on a fragile lead and Palace got their goal. Only one winner from there which is why only one goal never felt like enough and I think we should have been pressing harder to score again.
Changes may or may not have saved some points and hindsight is always 20:20 but I think it's fair and constructive criticism of Powell to suggest he needs to be more proactive with his subs. Especially when we have a bench as strong as we did today.
There have been a few too many occasions now when I've felt games slipping away from us and Powell has done relatively little to try and stop it happening. The fact it's happened twice in a week makes it feel all the worse.
Why would anybody not trust Powell with money? When he was last given some he assembled a whole new squad and got promoted at the first attempt. Something the owners were not really expecting and no doubt were pretty happy about.He's been given next to no money since and in this league just staying up without adding any real quality to that original squad was always going to be a struggle.But we are on track. It's very clear that consolidation is the clear aim this season. Remember we are ahead of schedule. So when the points tally says we are safe I suggest you take a holiday or do something else to pass your time until the start of next season when, fingers crossed, a new phase for cafc will be well under way.
When Holloway changed tactics, we should have responded. I wouldn't have brought Wiggins on when we did as it was a pointless sub, as Waggy was doing his job and it had no point.It didn't have a negative effect though - was just pointless and a waste of a sub. I'd have waited for Holloway to move then put on BWP for JJ. Then if, we were still not carrying enough of a threat, id have brought Stephens on for Dervite.
Now in my late 40's, I have been watching football since I was a boy - I can read a game, and this was one of those few games that a Fuller -BWP partnership when Palace decided to go for broke, would have been very effective.
@carly burn I think we are about on target or slightly behind. There is no way the board were not expecting promotion last season, CP was brought in to give the club a reasonable chance of promotion the previous season. The original target for this season was back to back promotions, but withdrawal of transfer support has revised that. I won't criticise CP too much for yesterday although Wiggins for wagstaff did seem strange but some on here have called for the Wiggins Evina partnership. I would have taken off Pritchard who did not cope with the physical stuff and brought on Stephens. Overall we bossed the game.
@carly burn I think we are about on target or slightly behind. There is no way the board were not expecting promotion last season, CP was brought in to give the club a reasonable chance of promotion the previous season. The original target for this season was back to back promotions, but withdrawal of transfer support has revised that. I won't criticise CP too much for yesterday although Wiggins for wagstaff did seem strange but some on here have called for the Wiggins Evina partnership. I would have taken off Pritchard who did not cope with the physical stuff and brought on Stephens. Overall we bossed the game.
I'm sorry. But letting a rookie manager buy a whole new squad and expecting promotion at the first attempt is complete madness and after listening to Slater on many occasions I don't believe this to be the case.
Thought we sat too deep in the second half, invited them on to us and somehow still managed to leave them too much space in our half at times. To be fair the young lad "Williams" that Palace bought on changed the game and Palace upped it to a level we could sadly not live with for 20 mins or so. Gutted, especially as most of my mates and work mates are Palace but not the end of the world.
As an outsider, I thought Charlton were excellent first half yesterday, although Palace were quite frankly pitiful.
In the second however Holloway did make changes, and Charlton did back off, which handed Palace the impetus to take charge of the game. If Charlton had carried there first half game plan, to the second, without the shocking time wasting, I think you'd have got at least a point from the game.
Thankfully for Palace you didn't, and this might be the result that kickstarts our season.
@carly burn I think we are about on target or slightly behind. There is no way the board were not expecting promotion last season, CP was brought in to give the club a reasonable chance of promotion the previous season. The original target for this season was back to back promotions, but withdrawal of transfer support has revised that. I won't criticise CP too much for yesterday although Wiggins for wagstaff did seem strange but some on here have called for the Wiggins Evina partnership. I would have taken off Pritchard who did not cope with the physical stuff and brought on Stephens. Overall we bossed the game.
I'm sorry. But letting a rookie manager buy a whole new squad and expecting promotion at the first attempt is complete madness and after listening to Slater on many occasions I don't believe this to be the case.
Well it is what Slater said. Additionally, Slater also said That parkinson was sacked to give us the best chance of going up this season, can't be clearer than that. If we had not gone up last season it is unlikely that CP would be here now. It is only when Cash reduced his investment that they down graded this season to survival. The squad that CP put together was allegedly supposed to be good enough to challenge for promotion this season from the championship. I think the finances bear this out to, do you really think the club would operate 100% plus ratio income to salary to sit in the third division?
Madness again KAP.Asking a squad of better league one players to go on and get promotion to the premier league is a nonsense. I think they said 'compete' in the championship. Which is what they are doing.
I thought people were saying that Zaha had moved to the right and was getting more joy from Evina? Makes sense to me to bring on Wiggins, who can play LM, in order to help double up on Zaha more effectively. Also quite a few people saying Wagstaff hadn't really done much in the second half? On another day, that sub could have basically killed off their main attacking threat and it would have been seen as a brilliant tactical decision, but because they scored a few minutes later it's just seen as a poor / waste of a sub by some.
I could understand the moans last week against wednesday(even if I didn't particularly agree with them) but not really this week.
We were unlucky to lose. Another day and we would have seen it out or scored a second and we'd all be getting slightly suspect with our love for SCP.
However, Stephens should have come on around the 65th minute mark. Our passing lost its fluency as Jackson and Prtichard got tired. In the first half they were harrying and hassling endlessly right into the Palace half. By the hour mark our midfield had totally retreated. We needed fresh legs and someone to get our attacks going again.
Kermy and Fuller are both the wrong side of 30 and playing the most demanding role on the pitch, that of a lone striker. It's hardly surprising that either of them tire after 70 minutes and therefore the ball tends not to stick up front as much as it does earlier in the game.
The thing was, Zaha wasn't really threatening when Waggy was subbed - he came alive in the last 20. Waggy was doing a decent job just putting in a shift. The sub wasn't a tactical mistake, as Wiggins is quite a decent player offensively - but it was a bit...well....'so what does this change?' The problem was that we starting to sit back and where we got players up to support in the first half we left Fuller to it much more in the second. To his credit, he was unlucky not to make it 2-0 with a great effort, but we needed some adventure. That is the best way to push opponents back - when they think you are not much of a threat they play higher up the pitch.
The best way to effect this would have been another striker or Stephens or both.
loe.ldn.wpack- do you thing we retreated because of tiredness or through caution - hold what we have?
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We weren't negative today.
We lost today because our keeper did his usual flap around in the area otherwise would have been a decent point and deserved overall
In my opinion we were negative today in that a LB replaced a LM to protect what we had and then once losing he brings on two forwards. Ok we missed chances early on but they missed loads second half. We settled for 1-0 and once again in blew up in our faces.
It's been close on a couple of occasions. In my opinion if TJ wants to get to the PL and if we have some money in the summer to attempt that then TJ might decide that CP is not the person to trust with that money.
Apart from injuries I would use subs for the following reasons - sometimes tactical, sometimes because a player is having a stinker but generally because it is a fresh pair of legs. The last thing after 70/75 mins a tired, lumbering centre half wants on a wet,muddy pitch like last week is a bright, quick, fresh-legged forward like BWP or Haynes to run at them.
I see no point in bringing someone on at the 90th min - use them before then.
When we went in only one up I feared the worst. Part of that fear came from knowing Olly would be bold and make changes. He did and Palace improved but it seemed as if we'd weathered the storm. That was the time to make some changes imo, bring on fresh legs and probably be a bit more offensive in an attempt to kill the game. Instead we continued to sit on a fragile lead and Palace got their goal. Only one winner from there which is why only one goal never felt like enough and I think we should have been pressing harder to score again.
Changes may or may not have saved some points and hindsight is always 20:20 but I think it's fair and constructive criticism of Powell to suggest he needs to be more proactive with his subs. Especially when we have a bench as strong as we did today.
There have been a few too many occasions now when I've felt games slipping away from us and Powell has done relatively little to try and stop it happening. The fact it's happened twice in a week makes it feel all the worse.
When he was last given some he assembled a whole new squad and got promoted at the first attempt. Something the owners were not really expecting and no doubt were pretty happy about.He's been given next to no money since and in this league just staying up without adding any real quality to that original squad was always going to be a struggle.But we are on track. It's very clear that consolidation is the clear aim this season. Remember we are ahead of schedule. So when the points tally says we are safe I suggest you take a holiday or do something else to pass your time until the start of next season when, fingers crossed, a new phase for cafc will be well under way.
Now in my late 40's, I have been watching football since I was a boy - I can read a game, and this was one of those few games that a Fuller -BWP partnership when Palace decided to go for broke, would have been very effective.
I won't criticise CP too much for yesterday although Wiggins for wagstaff did seem strange but some on here have called for the Wiggins Evina partnership. I would have taken off Pritchard who did not cope with the physical stuff and brought on Stephens. Overall we bossed the game.
Why go more defensive?
Why leave it so late to bring on Haynes and Kermy?
In the second however Holloway did make changes, and Charlton did back off, which handed Palace the impetus to take charge of the game. If Charlton had carried there first half game plan, to the second, without the shocking time wasting, I think you'd have got at least a point from the game.
Thankfully for Palace you didn't, and this might be the result that kickstarts our season.
I could understand the moans last week against wednesday(even if I didn't particularly agree with them) but not really this week.
However, Stephens should have come on around the 65th minute mark. Our passing lost its fluency as Jackson and Prtichard got tired. In the first half they were harrying and hassling endlessly right into the Palace half. By the hour mark our midfield had totally retreated. We needed fresh legs and someone to get our attacks going again.
The best way to effect this would have been another striker or Stephens or both.
loe.ldn.wpack- do you thing we retreated because of tiredness or through caution - hold what we have?