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A question for those getting twitchy feet......

...re Powell as manager.

Do you also feel Martin O'Neill (recently up for big jobs such as Man U and Liverpool) and Paul Lambert (2 promotions in 2 years), are out of their depths at Sunderland and Villa ?
Should Millwall have sacked Kenny Jackett or Derby Nigel Clough when they spent most of last season in the relegation zone ?

Football appears to have got so short term that as soon as a difficult spell comes along, some people automatically think a change in manager waves a magic wand and everything will be alright. Of course it can give a short-term positive jolt, but if fundamental cracks are there they will only paper over this. Chris Powell in his first season is a prime example to that.

If you use Millwall as an example last season, their chairman maintained his support for his manager, and importantly helped rectify by bringing in quality additions such as Andy Keogh, Harry Kane, and this season Chris Wood. If the tools are not there, you're never going to get anything other than short-term reactions.

Though we recorded an impressive points haul last season, we did not at any stage consistently steamroll teams in the league below. We were an incredibly tight squad who worked hard for each other and positively benefited from the small margins that sometimes decide games. Through lack of investment and injuries, what we are currently putting on the pitch is below the level what we were putting on the pitch last season in the division below.

Successful management comes largely from stability, togetherness of squad who are with the manager, and realistic backing. Simply changing the manager won't bring you resolution if the other ingredients are not in place IMO.
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    Agree AFKA changing the manager would be a disaster CP deserves and has earned his right to try and change things around. On reflection this season has already been difficult not only have lost players in key positions, we had two perfectly good goals disallowed against Hull and Palace which would have given us 4 more points.

    Clearly we need to strengthen, players such as Jackson and Hollands were great in the lower leagues but do look off the pace in this league so this is as much a test of ther boards resolve as it is the managers and players. I must add the caveat that whilst CP is a true man of the club in all ways nobody should be exempt from constructive criticism when warrented and I have to say Saturday's second half left me bemused and I have to say it appeared to look that way to the players as well.
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    In effect you are asking - if you don't want Powell who do you think would be better.
    This question was asked time and time again when many were complaining about how dire Parkinson was. Would all those people rather have Parkinson than Powell.

    Personally I don't think there is any danger or Powell walking or being sacked this season but I base that on no 'insider info'.

    I simply think that questioning who people would rather have or how they think a change will be better is pointless. Fans have the right to just think the current situation is bad without having to put give cast iron facts about what alternative would be better. After all, how many people ever thought about Powell as an option two years ago?
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    millwall are only a few points above us, hardly setting the league alight
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    Through lack of investment and injuries, what we are currently putting on the pitch is below the level what we were putting on the pitch last season in the division below.


    Essential point, very well made.
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    We're not even in the relegation zone for crying out loud.

    We are the new boys in this league - I don't really understand where we would need to be for this talk to die down?
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    Its a point cafctom but you see we seem to pick up points away against decent sides but then fall apart at home I said in another post that actually we were no worse against Borough than we were against Barnsley in fact first half we were much better.

    fact is we are suffering real bad injury problems and that is contributing to a slide down the table I think the concern is that it needs to be arrested soon before it becomes too big a hill to climb that's all. Hey this is Football we were all ecstatic last year and this year we are worried......emotions is what it is all about.
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    I don't think Powell should go but if things don't improve in next two months then maybe. He is unproven at this level and maybe he is not ready to manage in this league.
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    You're right, the injuries we've had have been pretty damning. I reckon we would have at least a couple more wins under our belt if we had Fuller and Wiggins in the side, which would probably be enough for people to be completely happy on here. Such small margins involved - it's not as if we are 10 points adrift from everyone else or if we are playing awful every week (we're not!)
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    cafctom said:

    We're not even in the relegation zone for crying out loud.

    We are the new boys in this league - I don't really understand where we would need to be for this talk to die down?

    Probably in the top 6. I thought our fans were different but clearly they're just like the rest; impatient, with unrealistic expectations and short memories of what can happen to a team that attempts to run before it can walk.
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    I don't why there are so many posts saying Powell shouldn't be sacked, as there haven't been ANY posts saying he should go, there were no chants on Saturday, no 'Powell out' moans in the toilets afterwards etc

    Of course football is too short sighted, but taking one of the examples at the start, Sunderland have been dismal this season, devoid of attacking flair, and really turgid to watch, having had resources to build his team (Fletcher, Adam Johnson). They are definitely underperforming. If they are still playing like that in January, then you will start to wonder if O'Neill hasn't lost it...
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    Its not unrealistic to think we should be higher up the league and not being beaten at home regularly !
    Injuries and lack of investment is the route cause.
    £1 to 1.5 million investment in the closed season and im sure we would mid to upper table. Whatever has/is going on at Board level HAS had an impact on the pitch by the non investement.
    A true shame that the Boards backing of CP last year is being pissed away and lost by short sighted bollox this season.

    as for CP going it might happen and it will be a shame but that wont ever deflect from his place in our history or the dignity of the man.
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    Agree with the original poster regarding short term mentality in football.

    Not sure that the four managers listed are appropriate comparisons, as they are all experienced managers compared to CP (albeit that P Lambert is inexperienced at his current level).

    I would like to see Charlton work within their budget rather than incur debt (although if someone wants to give the club money great). My understanding is that Millwall had to go outside their budget to fund some of the above mentioned acquisitions.

    The board, at an early stage, should have made clear to CP the budget (I do not know whether this happened or not, I do however have my suspicions as to what happened), CP then should have then been in a position to trade players in & out to form a stonger team for the division (this did not occur, but the reason why is not known to me).

    One point I did note in the Middlesborough game is that towards the end not all players appeared to give 100%. As a Charlton fan, I expect a reaction to this from the management.

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    cs1986 said:

    I don't think Powell should go but if things don't improve in next two months then maybe. He is unproven at this level and maybe he is not ready to manage in this league.

    Be very careful what you wish for.
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    In a squad as small as ours, and with limited quality, we can not afford to lose key players such as Fuller, Kermo, and Wiggins!!

    No way should there be talk of getting rid of Powell, he's full of passion and desire, and considering it's his first managerial job he's not doing badly! Remember Freedman for Palace? Started off the season in a terrible fashion, and left them 4th!! We need to get behind Powell, he's a young manager and the future for our club hopefully.

    (The only negative I have for him is his substitutions sometimes, this week was bringing Stephens on. Pritch was full of energy in the middle and had a really good half, then got moved out wide and seemed lost. These decisions will (hopefully) become less frequent with experience).
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    Should we have sacked curbs when we were relegated from prem 1st time??
    No, we need stability.
    Whoever comes in after Powell is here for the pound note, not the club.
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    Injuries are a major factor. We had vitually none last season and we have had many this season. As for lack of investment, Powell said last year he was building a sqaud to compete in the championship and I believe he had to give those players a chance. When you get injuries you can't just buy your way out of trouble. We are not the first team to have their season completely affected by injuries and we wont be the last but we can't have a massive squad as it is self-defeating.
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    are there that many getting twitchy feet? I think the only one's we need worry about with twitchy feet are those inhabiting the Boardroom. I'm sure nigh on 100% of fans are behind CP.
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    Powell's been desperately unlucky so far this season.

    we've had some awful decisions go against us and our top 3 players are injured. we've been making chances, but fuller hasn't been on the end of them (because he's been injured)

    things will get better

    powell's the man.
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    The problem is that people all emotional after a heavy home defeat and don't think rationally.

    Chris Powell can take this club forward I know he can, poor form, poor performances yes but I believe it's just a blip.

    Let me ask you this, if Phil Parkinson did exactly what Powell has done since being Charlton manager would you want him sacked?

    Ask yourself out of interest incase you defend Powell more because of who he is.
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    We were always going to struggle this year and with a few key players out it is even more obvious. I really dont want Powell to go, but comparing him to o'neill is a bit silly
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    Dave2l said:

    The problem is that people all emotional after a heavy home defeat and don't think rationally.

    Chris Powell can take this club forward I know he can, poor form, poor performances yes but I believe it's just a blip.

    Let me ask you this, if Phil Parkinson did exactly what Powell has done since being Charlton manager would you want him sacked? Ask yourself out of interest incase you defend Powell more because of who he is.

    At the outset I must remind people that I defended Phil Parkinson throughout his tenure as manager before I continue.

    There is however a fundamental difference in the two cases. Powell was a manager of choice whereas Parkinson inherited the position by default because we couldn't afford to get rid of both Pardew and him.

    It is therefore almost inevitable that attitudes towards Powell and Parkinson will differ.

    Powell must have had some qualities that got him the job in the first place. Having selected our man, because we have faith in his qualities, we must back him to the hilt.

    Parky was not our choice, as I've tried to explain, therefore any difference in attitude is a red herring in my opinion.
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    edited November 2012
    We have been struck with bad luck - both in terms of injuries and on the pitch. Lack of confidence really showed on Saturday. We didn't take our chances and gifted Boro their second and third. The second was crucial - that pass under no pressure was not the Morrison I know. Until then. I felt we more than held our own against a good side. But too many half chances are not being hit with conviction or confidence and these misses pile on the pressure and lead to defensive errors.

    We need a good result badly, but we are better than our position.
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    I can still remember Curbs losing 8 games in a row in the Premiership and at the time setting a new Premiership record of consecutive defeats , there were murmurs at the time from some fans to get rid of him, despite what he'd done , we wouldn't have stayed in the Premiership as long if we had got rid of him.

    I implore the current board to take a step back , to find the necessary investment to keep us in this division and put all this nonsense to bed.
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    edited November 2012
    Football management is a results business, and i cannot for the life of me see the board putting up much more with this IF results did not improve by Xmas. If they want a return on their money, they are not likely to want to us to go straight back down again, and regardless of how people admire Chris Powell, sadly they may find someone who can keep us up.

    Injuries are not going his way, some key decisions are not going his way, but some of his decision making this season, has left me baffled. Granted the man is still learning his trade, and i don't want to see anyone lose their job, but it's a dog eat dog world in football.

    What would you rather see. Championship football or back to the League One rubbish it tooks us three years to get out of. The board may not be as sentimental as most fans are to Powell, if things don't change fast.
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    I can still remember Curbs losing 8 games in a row in the Premiership and at the time setting a new Premiership record of consecutive defeats , there were murmurs at the time from some fans to get rid of him, despite what he'd done , we wouldn't have stayed in the Premiership as long if we had got rid of him.

    I implore the current board to take a step back , to find the necessary investment to keep us in this division and put all this nonsense to bed.

    The murmurs were pretty minor. Curbishley's position that season was never under threat, a small club getting promoted into the PL via the playoffs is always going to struggle to stay up, sensibly we didn't go mad financially and were able to keep a strong team the following season. Our current situation is a bit different, as most fans would see the Championship as 'our level', we're a similar sized club to the other teams in this division, getting relegated would be very disappointing. I'm sure SCP himself would consider relegation this season as a major personal failure.
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    me - twitchy feet..........never !!!

    I'm just waiting for our surge up the table when our decimated squad are all fit again and looking towards a top half finish that eveyone assures me is enevitable once we play the lesser lights of Bristol City, Burnley Peterborough & Millwall
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    me - twitchy feet..........never !!!

    I'm just waiting for our surge up the table when our decimated squad are all fit again and looking towards a top half finish that eveyone assures me is enevitable once we play the lesser lights of Bristol City, Burnley Peterborough & Millwall

    good to know you have now seen sense Golfie ;-)
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    cs1986 said:

    I don't think Powell should go but if things don't improve in next two months then maybe. He is unproven at this level and maybe he is not ready to manage in this league.

    Be very careful what you wish for.
    No wishing there mate but your free to interpret it how you want.

    I want him to succeed but imo he has not shown he is good enough yet, maybe due to circumstances out of his control. I hope he does as he is a legend. Will not blindly believe thou.
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    Should we have sacked curbs when we were relegated from prem 1st time??
    No, we need stability.
    Whoever comes in after Powell is here for the pound note, not the club.

    Devils advocate here - do you honestly believe Powell is not here for money 2?
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    How dare you cs1986!!!
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