seems like the fans who go to all the games all over the country and not just the big ones,are the real victims here. how long before this fad dissappears.
Being extremely tall, standing in seated areas is a real problem for me because two rows behind are not going to see jack shit unless they stand on the chairs. I had a 5' 0" old dear behind me on sat so standing up was not an option. So out of courtesy I had to sit down - and try to look through the people standing in front of me.
However I love terracing cos I can shuffle to the back and look over everyone else.
I wonder how many fans left Middlesborough thinking, great atmosphere, shame I had to stand and how many left the emirites thinking, the atmosphere was poor but atleast I had a nice seat.
[cite]Posted By: Friend_Or_Defoe[/cite]I wonder how many fans left Middlesborough thinking, great atmosphere, shame I had to stand and how many left the emirites thinking, the atmosphere was poor but atleast I had a nice seat.
How many short people including children left the Middlesbrough game wondering why people stood in front of them stopping them from seeing the game?
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Very true Les.
One fundamental difference though. Pre Sky Sports and Euro 96 you could move around the ground. These days kids can't move if some inconsiderate so and so stands in front of them.
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Come on mate! What a ridiculous comment.
We have seated stands. It's not the fans fault. You just have to go with the flow at the moment.
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Very true Les.
One fundamental difference though. Pre Sky Sports and Euro 96 you could move around the ground. These days kids can't move if some inconsiderate so and so stands in front of them.
agreed. so how about this:
take a block of 300 seats. remove the 300 seats. sell 300 tickets to 300 people to stand in that area, and that area only.
safe. as people have a proportionate amount of space that is deemed safe for that amount of seats.
it can be done at gigs, so why not at football? if you don't let more than the allocated amount of people in, then how much trouble can be caused?
we were very lucky to have seats in the back row so we avoided all arguments. we stood for the game, which was nice, but I'm just as happy to sit down if we'd have been elsewhere. the steward came over to tell us to sit down, fair enough as that's what he's been told to enforce, but we did ask why as we weren't in any-one's way, and he mumbled and walked off. what i don't like, is people then singing "get a proper job?" at the stewards. that's horrible. they're only doing what they've been told, just as everyone else does in their job.
that makes me cringe. people should stop being so obstreperous and be more respectful to everyone else around them, until a solution arises where everyone is happy. this is only a problem a couple of games a season as we usually get a pick of 10 seats each at away games, for 2 or 3 games a season, those that want to be obnoxious will have to learn to find their manners for 90 mins.
I stood until I was asked to sit down by the people behind me, they were respectful so I obliged. I will in future though when ringing for a ticket for an away game ask for seats as far to the back as possible, I suggest anyone else who wished to stand will have to do the same.
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Come on mate! What a ridiculous comment.
We have seated stands. It's not the fans fault. You just have to go with the flow at the moment.
why is it ridiculous? it's not the theatre, people will stand up at football, seats or no seats - 'the flow' at the moment is charlton fans arguing amongst themselves cos two type of fans want a different experience. we have to deal with this situation through a different ticket allocation system cos this conflict isn't doing the team or fans any good. football is a highly emotive experience for the majority of fans, you won't be able to enforce a consensus of respect and discipline for thousands of people in an enclosed area during 90 minutes of football, especially when we're in the midst of a relegation battle.
to me it's sad, as people like PH have already mentioned... a massive game for our future when we should all be pulling together as one and showing our support and some people were more interested with (and that includes young and older lot) arguing with each other and being totally unreasonable.
i stood for 90 minutes and didn't get asked to sit down once by a steward or a fan... as people have said, there's a big difference between a polite word in your ear and a dismissive, ageist (it works both ways) reaction from the siddarns. it really seems like it's hit and miss - we need a direction one way or the other. within 90 seconds at bolton i was told to sit down or go out and yet on saturday and other games such as wigan etc. you were allowed to act almost as you pleased.
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Come on mate! What a ridiculous comment.
We have seated stands. It's not the fans fault. You just have to go with the flow at the moment.
why is it ridiculous? it's not the theatre, people will stand up at football, seats or no seats - 'the flow' at the moment is charlton fans arguing amongst themselves cos two type of fans want a different experience. we have to deal with this situation through a different ticket allocation system cos this conflict isn't doing the team or fans any good. football is a highly emotive experience for the majority of fans, you won't be able to enforce a consensus of respect and discipline for thousands of people in an enclosed area during 90 minutes of football, especially when we're in the midst of a relegation battle.
Nail on the head Les.
You're not a consumer when you go to football, you're a fan and a supporter, the emotion of the game which when it went 2-2 on Saturday, your were elated, to being a bit narked off 3 minutes later when we could have won.
the problem with just taking out seats in an all seater stadium & plonking standing people in it are those seated around them have their view blocked. there are H&S issues to take into consideration too with fire exits etc..
the idea that you could go up to the ticket office & buy bulk away tickets so you can all stand at the back is a non starter because the Club would be breaking rules that guarantee they have a safety certificate in the first place. you'll find yourself banned form going away at all or seriously having the allocation reduced a la Man Yoo at ours.
& just saying that kids can stand up on seats...........are you sure???? those seats are dangerous when adults stand on them, can't believe that responsible parents would be happy for their kids to stand on them at all
I've said this before, until someone goes to the FA with a workable plan for safe standing it just isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Until then, we're all CAFC, be considerate to those around you.
I stood in the terraces & sang my lungs out. I sit in the Upper North & still sing my lungs out.
The FA are the wrong people to talk to on Safe Standing, the FLA and the Government are the problems, and they won't budge, especially the FLA because it effectively puts them out of business
all we need to do is get the Club to sell those tickets at the back to those who specifically request tickets at the back. If we have some sort of unwritten rule amongst fans that the back seats are for those that want to stand and if you end up there then that's what you have to expect. However, the Club cannot be seen to be involved in this as they would then be accused of encouarging fans to stand and hence aiding fans in breaking the law. If the Club can't 'assist' by keeping the back rows free for the 'standers' then you are still going to get fans there who want to sit. Until we get legal safe standing areas then I'm afraid you have to be midful and respectful of those who want to sit and are complying with the law. My Dad's 73 and 5ft 6. He's missed two away games this season and that was because he was in Argentina. He has dodgy knees and couldn't physically stand for 90 minutes. Why should he have to constantly ask someone in front of him to sit and probably get either a mouthful of abuse in return or at least a heated arguement. I would welcome a return of safe standing areas but in the meantime we need to be mindful of others. Unless we can somehow get all the standers together at the back then seating it is. Or should fans like my Dad be forced not to go ?
A woman near me asked a kid in front of her to sit down, and she got the predictable volley of abuse. That's why people don't "have a word" with the offender....
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]The FA are the wrong people to talk to on Safe Standing, the FLA and the Government are the problems, and they won't budge, especially the FLA because it effectively puts them out of business
they'll all budge if someone can come up with a real workable solution because it will mean more £££££
you telling me they'll ignore that?
those in all area's involved in this know that people are starting to pull away from football, they will do something workable if it meant getting people back in the stadiums
[cite]Posted By: les_says[/cite]and how many kids started watching football standing on the terraces? some people seem to forget this game existed before sky sports and euro 96.
Come on mate! What a ridiculous comment.
We have seated stands. It's not the fans fault. You just have to go with the flow at the moment.
why is it ridiculous? it's not the theatre, people will stand up at football, seats or no seats - 'the flow' at the moment is charlton fans arguing amongst themselves cos two type of fans want a different experience. we have to deal with this situation through a different ticket allocation system cos this conflict isn't doing the team or fans any good. football is a highly emotive experience for the majority of fans, you won't be able to enforce a consensus of respect and discipline for thousands of people in an enclosed area during 90 minutes of football, especially when we're in the midst of a relegation battle.
It's ridiclous because you are taking the whole thing out of context mate. I want to stand, I love it, but the way things are we can't. Also some people want to sit, that's their right. The law is with them. I had my 11 year old son with me and he would have stood all game if he could. Not even stood, he'd have jumped around clapping and chanting if he could as that is what he likes.
Of course it's not a theatre or such.
We all know that successive governments and governing bodies have done their best to contain the football fan. Watford were geared up to sort out the standers from the off. Until something else is sorted you just have to show some respect for others.
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What is his view?
However I love terracing cos I can shuffle to the back and look over everyone else.
I can assure you that for some part at least, he was standing with no one standing in front of him.
How many short people including children left the Middlesbrough game wondering why people stood in front of them stopping them from seeing the game?
Behave mate, i reckon none!
Very true Les.
One fundamental difference though. Pre Sky Sports and Euro 96 you could move around the ground. These days kids can't move if some inconsiderate so and so stands in front of them.
Come on mate! What a ridiculous comment.
We have seated stands. It's not the fans fault. You just have to go with the flow at the moment.
Except when we scored and I knocked him over.
agreed. so how about this:
take a block of 300 seats. remove the 300 seats. sell 300 tickets to 300 people to stand in that area, and that area only.
safe. as people have a proportionate amount of space that is deemed safe for that amount of seats.
it can be done at gigs, so why not at football? if you don't let more than the allocated amount of people in, then how much trouble can be caused?
we were very lucky to have seats in the back row so we avoided all arguments. we stood for the game, which was nice, but I'm just as happy to sit down if we'd have been elsewhere. the steward came over to tell us to sit down, fair enough as that's what he's been told to enforce, but we did ask why as we weren't in any-one's way, and he mumbled and walked off. what i don't like, is people then singing "get a proper job?" at the stewards. that's horrible. they're only doing what they've been told, just as everyone else does in their job.
that makes me cringe. people should stop being so obstreperous and be more respectful to everyone else around them, until a solution arises where everyone is happy. this is only a problem a couple of games a season as we usually get a pick of 10 seats each at away games, for 2 or 3 games a season, those that want to be obnoxious will have to learn to find their manners for 90 mins.
You never cease to amaze me with your wonderfuly diplomatic posts.
Well said.
why is it ridiculous? it's not the theatre, people will stand up at football, seats or no seats - 'the flow' at the moment is charlton fans arguing amongst themselves cos two type of fans want a different experience. we have to deal with this situation through a different ticket allocation system cos this conflict isn't doing the team or fans any good. football is a highly emotive experience for the majority of fans, you won't be able to enforce a consensus of respect and discipline for thousands of people in an enclosed area during 90 minutes of football, especially when we're in the midst of a relegation battle.
There should be more away ends like Cardiff's, standing at the back and seats at the front for siddarns, keep everyone happy.
It cant be that hard to organise.
i stood for 90 minutes and didn't get asked to sit down once by a steward or a fan... as people have said, there's a big difference between a polite word in your ear and a dismissive, ageist (it works both ways) reaction from the siddarns. it really seems like it's hit and miss - we need a direction one way or the other. within 90 seconds at bolton i was told to sit down or go out and yet on saturday and other games such as wigan etc. you were allowed to act almost as you pleased.
Nail on the head Les.
You're not a consumer when you go to football, you're a fan and a supporter, the emotion of the game which when it went 2-2 on Saturday, your were elated, to being a bit narked off 3 minutes later when we could have won.
the idea that you could go up to the ticket office & buy bulk away tickets so you can all stand at the back is a non starter because the Club would be breaking rules that guarantee they have a safety certificate in the first place. you'll find yourself banned form going away at all or seriously having the allocation reduced a la Man Yoo at ours.
& just saying that kids can stand up on seats...........are you sure???? those seats are dangerous when adults stand on them, can't believe that responsible parents would be happy for their kids to stand on them at all
I've said this before, until someone goes to the FA with a workable plan for safe standing it just isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Until then, we're all CAFC, be considerate to those around you.
I stood in the terraces & sang my lungs out. I sit in the Upper North & still sing my lungs out.
Medders - this woman?
You weren't referring to the strangled cat?
they'll all budge if someone can come up with a real workable solution because it will mean more £££££
you telling me they'll ignore that?
those in all area's involved in this know that people are starting to pull away from football, they will do something workable if it meant getting people back in the stadiums
It's ridiclous because you are taking the whole thing out of context mate. I want to stand, I love it, but the way things are we can't. Also some people want to sit, that's their right. The law is with them. I had my 11 year old son with me and he would have stood all game if he could. Not even stood, he'd have jumped around clapping and chanting if he could as that is what he likes.
Of course it's not a theatre or such.
We all know that successive governments and governing bodies have done their best to contain the football fan. Watford were geared up to sort out the standers from the off. Until something else is sorted you just have to show some respect for others.