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edited September 2012 in General Charlton
This site really is becoming a place to slate our team. I don't regularly post, but I read charlton life every day but am beginning to get fed up with all the negativity coming from supposed 'fans.' I used to enjoy reading this site but at the moment it's truly dreadful.
I don't understand what people are expecting from charlton? We clearly are not in the same situation as the Notts Forests of our league with regards to money. We can only spend what we get in transfer fees. We don't fill our ground. No one knows the full situation with the board. So stability in the league is all we can hope for. We are six games in. Give the boys a chance. Jesus. I pray to god they don't read this site.
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  • completely agree but all this post will do is get negative reviews and people saying we have lost 3 in a row, no money, going down etc. I still feel we will stay up, 21st will do me.
  • This site really is becoming a place to slate our team. I don't regularly post, but I read charlton life every day but am beginning to get fed up with all the negativity coming from supposed 'fans.' I used to enjoy reading this site but at the moment it's truly dreadful.
    I don't understand what people are expecting from charlton? We clearly are not in the same situation as the Notts Forests of our league with regards to money. We can only spend what we get in transfer fees. We don't fill our ground. No one knows the full situation with the board. So stability in the league is all we can hope for. We are six games in. Give the boys a chance. Jesus. I pray to god they don't read this site.

    Good post.

    Too many people think we can do a Norwich and Southampton hence expectations are unreasonable.

    I've said from the time promotion was confirmed that, although as a fan I obviously hope for better, I'll take 21st now.
  • Yes I do agree that booing players etc is not productive in the slightest. But you have said yourself - stability in this league is important. As Slater said, we cannot function as a league 1 club. So I would argue it is pretty damn important that we dont cock up and get ourselves relegated. Yes only 6 games in - but bear in mind that every bad performance that results in 3 points (or even 1 point lost) will never come back. The points are lost for good. Every game should be treated like a cup final. Where do we draw the line - only 10 games in? Only 15 games in?

    My gut feel is that staying up is massively vital for our long term health, so we need to speculate to accumulate. As in bring players in to strengthen the central midfield. Pronto.
  • Yes I do agree that booing players etc is not productive in the slightest. But you have said yourself - stability in this league is important. As Slater said, we cannot function as a league 1 club. So I would argue it is pretty damn important that we dont cock up and get ourselves relegated. Yes only 6 games in - but bear in mind that every bad performance that results in 3 points (or even 1 point lost) will never come back. The points are lost for good. Every game should be treated like a cup final. Where do we draw the line - only 10 games in? Only 15 games in?

    My gut feel is that staying up is massively vital for our long term health, so we need to speculate to accumulate. As in bring players in to strengthen the central midfield. Pronto.

    All though that is true, you simply cannot judge a league 6 games in. Look at Reading lat year? They ended up winning the league! A 4 or 5 game unbeaten run is like gold in this league. And pretty much every team is capable of it in the Champ. Our players have little champ experience and this will grow during the year and we will stay up.
  • I might be wrong but when Norwich got promoted didn't they have a bad start and start motoring late on?

    Everyone just chill!!!
  • Yes I do agree that booing players etc is not productive in the slightest. But you have said yourself - stability in this league is important. As Slater said, we cannot function as a league 1 club. So I would argue it is pretty damn important that we dont cock up and get ourselves relegated. Yes only 6 games in - but bear in mind that every bad performance that results in 3 points (or even 1 point lost) will never come back. The points are lost for good. Every game should be treated like a cup final. Where do we draw the line - only 10 games in? Only 15 games in?

    My gut feel is that staying up is massively vital for our long term health, so we need to speculate to accumulate. As in bring players in to strengthen the central midfield. Pronto.

    All though that is true, you simply cannot judge a league 6 games in. Look at Reading lat year? They ended up winning the league! A 4 or 5 game unbeaten run is like gold in this league. And pretty much every team is capable of it in the Champ. Our players have little champ experience and this will grow during the year and we will stay up.
    At which point do we stop saying "look at Reading last year" and start to think about Charlton this year ?
  • We're all very uncomfortable with what is going on at the higher levels of our club, ie we haven't got fricking clue, and that makes us uncomfortable.. The fact the wheels came of close season and we didn't strengthen really (fuller aside and maybe kerkar) compared to a lot of activity by the rest of the division means we have a group mentality in the camp, that can be hugely positive when winning but when losing it can mean they ALL don't think they are up to it together, it's no fluke that things seemed to turn around at both forest and derby as soon as fuller chad kerkar to an extent, came on...

    We are finding our feet, however I would imagine Powell is disappointed in the financial issues as we all our.. So in regards to the OP yes me need to stick together but getting beaten every week obviously isn't a lot of fun...
  • se9addick said:

    Yes I do agree that booing players etc is not productive in the slightest. But you have said yourself - stability in this league is important. As Slater said, we cannot function as a league 1 club. So I would argue it is pretty damn important that we dont cock up and get ourselves relegated. Yes only 6 games in - but bear in mind that every bad performance that results in 3 points (or even 1 point lost) will never come back. The points are lost for good. Every game should be treated like a cup final. Where do we draw the line - only 10 games in? Only 15 games in?

    My gut feel is that staying up is massively vital for our long term health, so we need to speculate to accumulate. As in bring players in to strengthen the central midfield. Pronto.

    All though that is true, you simply cannot judge a league 6 games in. Look at Reading lat year? They ended up winning the league! A 4 or 5 game unbeaten run is like gold in this league. And pretty much every team is capable of it in the Champ. Our players have little champ experience and this will grow during the year and we will stay up.
    At which point do we stop saying "look at Reading last year" and start to think about Charlton this year ?
    I wasnt saying we could be capable of doing a Reading, all I was saying that we are in September and its absolutely stupid to start panicking. Its a long season ahead so why worry when we are through about 1/8 of the season?
  • The negativity about certain discussions and viewpoints is also pretty boring to be honest.
  • se9addick said:

    Yes I do agree that booing players etc is not productive in the slightest. But you have said yourself - stability in this league is important. As Slater said, we cannot function as a league 1 club. So I would argue it is pretty damn important that we dont cock up and get ourselves relegated. Yes only 6 games in - but bear in mind that every bad performance that results in 3 points (or even 1 point lost) will never come back. The points are lost for good. Every game should be treated like a cup final. Where do we draw the line - only 10 games in? Only 15 games in?

    My gut feel is that staying up is massively vital for our long term health, so we need to speculate to accumulate. As in bring players in to strengthen the central midfield. Pronto.

    All though that is true, you simply cannot judge a league 6 games in. Look at Reading lat year? They ended up winning the league! A 4 or 5 game unbeaten run is like gold in this league. And pretty much every team is capable of it in the Champ. Our players have little champ experience and this will grow during the year and we will stay up.
    At which point do we stop saying "look at Reading last year" and start to think about Charlton this year ?
    I wasnt saying we could be capable of doing a Reading, all I was saying that we are in September and its absolutely stupid to start panicking. Its a long season ahead so why worry when we are through about 1/8 of the season?
    Because we've lost three on the spin. You're right, we've only played six games - and we've lost half of them. As a fan doesn't that concern you ? Don't you think that's a fairly negative situation to be in ?

    At the end of the day this is a Charlton site, if things aren't going swimmingly on and off the pitch what are you expecting the general tone of the place to be ?

    I'm pretty sure that everyone here wants nothing but the best for Charlton Athletic, and sometimes identifying problems is part of that, but come 3pm on a Saturday I'm sure the vast majority of the people here will get behind the boys.
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  • edited September 2012
    apart from the match thread when everybody gets a bit excited i havent seen much 'negativity'.

    nothing wrong with questioning decisions and justified criticism.

    think people really do confuse others being negative cos they are moany bastards with fans that are just trying to talk football.

    absolutely agree with what Se9addick says. im completely baffled by CP's selection last night but im still right behind him and the boys when we play.
  • mascot88 said:

    We're all very uncomfortable with what is going on at the higher levels of our club, ie we haven't got fricking clue, and that makes us uncomfortable.. The fact the wheels came of close season and we didn't strengthen really (fuller aside and maybe kerkar) compared to a lot of activity by the rest of the division means we have a group mentality in the camp, that can be hugely positive when winning but when losing it can mean they ALL don't think they are up to it together, it's no fluke that things seemed to turn around at both forest and derby as soon as fuller chad kerkar to an extent, came on...

    We are finding our feet, however I would imagine Powell is disappointed in the financial issues as we all our.. So in regards to the OP yes me need to stick together but getting beaten every week obviously isn't a lot of fun...

    Great post, mascot88
  • One man's moany bastard is another man's fan trying to talk football.

    I do agree with you though.
  • edited September 2012
    It's something we have to live with here on CL.

    Don't forget last season with less than 10 games to go, Charlton still had a very healthy lead at the top of the table - yet some people were still saying we were rubbish and would throw away promotion.

    When you questioned them - they would tell you they were "Realists" or something.

    I guess it's just a question of perspective.

    ;o)
  • Football fans in moaning shock.
  • apart from the match thread when everybody gets a bit excited i havent seen much 'negativity'.

    nothing wrong with questioning decisions and justified criticism.

    think people really do confuse others being negative cos they are moany bastards with fans that are just trying to talk football.

    absolutely agree with what Se9addick says. im completely baffled by CP's selection last night but im still right behind him and the boys when we play.

    This

    Nothing wrong with saying that you think something needs switching up after three in a row, very different to booing and poisonous atmosphere at the ground. Think people are entitled to feel a bit frustrated when things aren't working out, and saying so isnt 'not getting behind the team'.

    A bit of discussion isnt a bad thing, and once we have a good game people will be full of praise. Its just the other side of the same coin
  • If we win the next 2 games the general feeling will be so different. The day after a loss the forum is always going to err on the negative side of things. What we need to do is learn from the mistakes. saying someone wasn't very good isn't constructive. Yes, we could say it was the formation of the side that led to us going 3 down, but how did we turn it around and come back to make it 3-2, which sounds an awful lot better if you tuned in at full time rather than mid way through the game.
    There is no way to discourage people from posting negative things, as they are just getting it off their chest, what you need to do is counterbalance it with your thoughts, whatever they may be and encourage others to add constructive balanced opinions rather than criticising everyone elses opinion if it is different to yours.

    I find if we lose, I read the players marks thread from the people that were there and avoid the majority of other posts as I dont learn anything from sniping and people saying 'sort it out powell' give it a couple of days and the enthusiasm will build for our next game....
  • edited September 2012
    Well Chris , when results are not too good , people like to complain / moan air their opinions , better they do it on here , than at the match , you have too get it off your chest somehow , better to do it with people you don't really know that have an interest in Charlton.

    For the record , its early days and i'm not pushing the panic button , we are what we are , hopefully the team and CP will improve as the season goes on , CP is a new Manager at this level . as well as not having the required funds at his disposal , it could take 3 seasons to get to grips with this division , its very competative , and we were spoilt last season.
  • Usual story.

    When we win three on the trot and people talk about how well players are playing, no one moans about positivity.

    When we lose three on the trot and people talk about what they think the reason is and what they would like to improve, people moan about negativity.

    It's generic forum behaviour.
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  • edited September 2012
    Last night we had the situation where one Poster started a somewhat vitriolic thread about where Wilson should go (which was removed in a rather timely manner) all because a Sky reporter had stated that he was the one responsible for giving the penalty away.

    On the same thread another poster stated that we should never bring someone back to the Club who was previously released on a "free".

    Ironic that Green gave the penalty away and that he then produced what has been described by someone at the match as the best performance by a Charlton winger he has ever seen!
  • In fairness it's quite hard to not be negative losing 2 on the trot to teams that are going to be down at the end of the season
  • Mike said:

    In fairness it's quite hard to not be negative losing 2 on the trot to teams that are going to be down at the end of the season

    What else do you know with the help of your crystal ball?

  • We're all doomed, doomed I tell ye!
  • edited September 2012
    I'm not just negative about losing, I'm also negative about sh*t performances, poor selection and lack of new signings.

    As a Charlton supporter I have also been known to swear at games and cheer wildly when we score a goal. As soon as I am at the head of the waiting list for my lobotomy I will request that these inappropriately emotional behaviours are eradicated and then we can sit together in the East stand.
  • Mike said:

    In fairness it's quite hard to not be negative losing 2 on the trot to teams that are going to be down at the end of the season

    Sorry but we haven't played Peterboro' or Millwall and we can't play ourselves so I don't think we have met any of this seasons relegated teams.

  • I'm not just negative about losing, I'm also negative about sh*t performances, poor selection and lack of new signings.

    As a Charlton supporter I have also been known to swear at games and cheer wildly when we score a goal. As soon as I am at the head of the waiting list for my lobotomy I will request that these inappropriately emotional behaviours are eradicated and then we can sit together in the East stand.

    Oi! We can be just as inappropriately emotional in the East. We just do it with decorum.
    :)
  • Blatant discrimination, Wheresmeticket !

    Where's his red card, AFKA !!!!
  • Solly.

    I did think as I was writing that "you just went too far" but then I had to go into a meeting....
  • If we were losing to League one teams then fair enough for the negativity but we are new to this league and need to adjust.
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