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Haynes or BWP?

forzajuve_27forzajuve_27
edited August 2012 in General Charlton
With all the attention seemingly being on whether or not we will sign Baldock, I've seen a few people debating in the thread the abilities of Haynes and BWP so I thought I would create this thread to focus on the both of them. I'm going to start by making a controversial point and that is that I think Haynes COULD be better than BWP, now I know I've not seen enough of Haynes to judge whether that is the case hence the 'could' but there are certain attributes to his game that I think he could excel at over BWP.

Of course Wright-Philips is a good striker and he was our top scorer last season and I'm not questioning his ability, but his form did dip at the start of this year, so much so that one poster has said that they didn't even get out of their seat when he was 1 on 1 with a keeper and I believed the same that my immediate thought was that he was going to blow it. Compare this to Haynes who whenever he came on, I don't know exactly what is was about him but I just instantly felt more confident that he was going to do something, I believe it's because he seems to move with more purpose and drive in the final third, not to mention his lightening quick pace.

There is no denying that Kermorgant is our number one striker and it is important that whoever plays alongside him can form a good partnership, it was apparent that him and BWP were struggling to play together at times (although I think this changed towards the end of the season somewhat). Some people were saying that Kermorgant should be dropped for Hayes to accommodate BWP, which I was very much against. Although they haven't had loads of time on the field together it looked to me that Haynes and Kermorgant work better because Haynes seems to anticipate more where Yann is going to put the ball.

Final point is that a lot of people have said that Haynes' game is all about pace and nothing more, I disagree with this because whilst he does possess blistering pace which is a vital attribute he also has shown that he is an intelligent player. I believe it was against Wycombe where he ran into the box and several people around me shouted at him to shoot from a difficult angle, and then were made to look foolish by their subsequent moans when he didn't, when he instead took the ball down well, drove forward and then crossed it to the back post for Stephens to score.

BWP should start the season as the preferred partner to Yann and that to me is a given, but to echo another poster I believe that Haynes is going to push Wright-Philips hard for his place this season.
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  • ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    Competition. Just the ticket.
  • cafctomcafctom
    forzajuve_27 said:

    Some people were saying that Kermorgant should be dropped for Hayes to accommodate BWP

    Really? Not seen any of that, and would be surprised if anyone had thought it!

    I agree though, I do think Haynes could be better than BWP. He certainly has more in his locker in terms of direct influence on a game. His pace is blistering.

    However, I do feel as though he may be best utilized as a super sub, coming on and running at tired defenders.

    Plus BWP has delivered up until now.

  • ValleyGaryValleyGary
    i always get the feeling BWP will get a goal out of nothing, one of those strikers that plays for 89 minutes, does absolutely f**k all then pops up with the winner and gets us 3 points.

    Haynes i feel doesnt have that about him. See him as more of a winger/provider and for him to score, he has to be on top form.
  • thenewbiethenewbie
    Why one OR the other? I think both have a place. BWP must surely have preference after the number of goals he scored last time, and he seems to have been first choice in the preseason. He is also definitely much more of a direct goal threat as in ball -> feet -> back of the net. (cue the statisticians proving me wrong.) If we go two up front then for me its Kermy and BWP until they get injured/lose form, Haynes is more of the wide player in a three to my mind. Speed is his MAIN (not only mind you but main) advantage, a substitute role plays in our favour.
  • LargeAddickLargeAddick
    cafctom said:

    forzajuve_27 said:

    Some people were saying that Kermorgant should be dropped for Hayes to accommodate BWP

    Really? Not seen any of that, and would be surprised if anyone had thought it!

    yep, was a period last season when a few on here were suggesting just that

  • CharltonFan94CharltonFan94
    Haynes did have a good end to the season. 2 goals in 14 appearances doesn't make for great reading, but a lot of those appearances were from the bench. He got a start against Preston and did well and scored, what I thought, was a brilliant goal.

    I do rate Haynes and think his pace is dangerous and that pace is always good to have in the squad. However, I don't think he scores enough goals. If you played with Haynes and Kermorgant, neither is really a goalscorer. Kermorgant's brilliant, but he's not an out-and-out goalscorer. He needs to be played with someone like BWP or Baldock.

    Haynes is a threat and he is a good player but if I'm honest, I'd rather he started as our fourth choice striker than our third.
  • Dazzler21Dazzler21
    Haynes will be a great option. As said above competition is always useful.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    edited August 2012
    BWP is a finisher, lethal around the box.

    He not only scored the most goals in our team, he also provided the most assists.
  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    I don't think Haynes will be up to it in the Championship , I don't think his touch is good enough and he is a bit headless in possession

    BWP all day for me
  • tangoflashtangoflash
    "Clarke will rip this division apart"



    Says the manager of the Dog & duck sunday reserves
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  • StigStig
    BWP in the first half, Haynes to come on when the defenders get tired.
  • charltonbobcharltonbob
    I can't believe that the question has even been asked.
  • NicholasNicholas
    edited August 2012
    Oggy Red said:

    BWP is a finisher, lethal around the box.

    He not only scored the most goals in our team, he also provided the most assists.

    This
    oohaahmortimer said:

    I don't think Haynes will be up to it in the Championship , I don't think his touch is good enough and he is a bit headless in possession

    BWP all day for me

    This
    charltonbob said:

    I can't believe that the question has even been asked.

    This
  • MortimericianMortimerician
    This ^^
  • Kap10Kap10
    Think its a great question to be asked, started a real football debate, whats wrong with that? Well done Henry
  • indian_addickindian_addick
    Oggy Red said:

    BWP is a finisher, lethal around the box.

    He not only scored the most goals in our team, he also provided the most assists.

    This.
  • mascot88mascot88
    He gets such a bad wrap BWP... Unjustly IMHO ...
  • cafctomcafctom
    It is a good debate because they're both very good players IMO.

    I wasn't expecting too much from Danny Haynes when he signed him but was pleasantly surprised.
  • RedhenryRedhenry
    BWP
  • kishisaledgekishisaledge
    BWP
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  • GretnaGreenAddickGretnaGreenAddick
    I did not realise that he was top assists to last year, seems even stranger he is not more loved by many of are fans, compared to Yann(they are both equal to me).
  • CAFCRORYCAFCRORY
    BWP as first choice for me for the start of season, he has proven he can score goals, surely when he loses form we have a great replacement in Haynes? I think playing the 4-3-3 formation with both on the wings and Kermit up top is a good option to?
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    An on form BWP has to start - off form yjen it's Haynes -Simples
  • mendoncamendonca
    This
  • Kap10Kap10
    Yjen related to Zhen Zhi?
  • sam3110sam3110
    Both, playing in a 4312 with kermorgant as link up man ;-)

    Seriously though, BWP easily, I moan at him for missing a one on one but at the same time congratulate him for getting the positions all the time. If he scored every time he got clear he would play for a prem team and be worth 50 million
  • forzajuve_27forzajuve_27
    Although Haynes has only played one game for us now this season, any chance I was on to something with my theory? ;)
  • Kap10Kap10
    Haynes and Fuller v BWP and Hulse .... Discuss
  • GreenieGreenie
    Haynes, until something goes ping!
  • ScohamScoham
    edited November 2012
    Unfortunately I don't think BWP is enough of a threat at this level.

    I'd like to see what Haynes does with a run of games. Question is can he stay fit and if he does, would he be consistent?

    As well as his obvious pace he gives us the option to switch between 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 in the middle of a game.

    If Haynes and Fuller were fit and on form we might actually be able play 4-4-2.
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