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Shoot blogger wanted

edited July 2012 in General Charlton
Hi, my name is Dan and apart from being a massive Charlton fan i also work for Shoot Magazine. We are currently looking for someone to blog about Charlton next season. Will be on a weekly basis and only 300-500 words....anyone up for it then just reply.

Cheers!
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  • Shoot. Blimey. That's a blast from the past. If the bulk reader audience is still the same then I doubt theyll want to read 3 words about cafc.
  • edited July 2012
    Happy to do it for £120 plus VAT per article

    Have relevant experience
  • Happy to do it for £120 plus VAT per article

    Have relevant experience
    no

  • Happy to do it for £120 plus VAT per article

    Have relevant experience
    no

    So what are you paying?

    Don't tell me you want someone to write the column for nothing when you're getting paid and selling magazines and advertising space.
  • It is a bit much to ask someone to donate that much of their time every week? i can understand every other week but people do have lives etc
  • Sadly there are enough people out there desperate for the "exposure" that magazines can afford to offer zero compensation for what should be paid work. It's very similar to huge multinational companies refusing to pay for photography because there are often people just happy to see their photo and name in print for a "credit"

    The irony is this attitude is what effectively helps kill both the photography and journalism professions.
  • blogger wanted is innocent
  • blogger wanted is innocent
    Justice for the Blogger Wanted!
  • We must be back in the big time if Shoot magazine want us. BTW I used to rifle through the latest issue of Shoot in Smiths every week hoping for a Charlton poster and there never was one, so I've been boycotting the magazine ever since, I think my actions have brought them to their knees financially thus their grovelling request for people to work for then for free.
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  • Sadly there are enough people out there desperate for the "exposure" that magazines can afford to offer zero compensation for what should be paid work. It's very similar to huge multinational companies refusing to pay for photography because there are often people just happy to see their photo and name in print for a "credit"

    The irony is this attitude is what effectively helps kill both the photography and journalism professions.
    I know, I know but I still think it is a cheek asking for such a level of commitment, as Crazy says, without offering anything in return
  • Sadly there are enough people out there desperate for the "exposure" that magazines can afford to offer zero compensation for what should be paid work. It's very similar to huge multinational companies refusing to pay for photography because there are often people just happy to see their photo and name in print for a "credit"

    The irony is this attitude is what effectively helps kill both the photography and journalism professions.
    agree with this........


  • Sadly there are enough people out there desperate for the "exposure" that magazines can afford to offer zero compensation for what should be paid work. It's very similar to huge multinational companies refusing to pay for photography because there are often people just happy to see their photo and name in print for a "credit"

    The irony is this attitude is what effectively helps kill both the photography and journalism professions.
    I know, I know but I still think it is a cheek asking for such a level of commitment, as Crazy says, without offering anything in return
    Perhaps though, it might be the sort of thing that appeals to those from the "work experience" thread, which some of you were championing?


  • Sadly there are enough people out there desperate for the "exposure" that magazines can afford to offer zero compensation for what should be paid work. It's very similar to huge multinational companies refusing to pay for photography because there are often people just happy to see their photo and name in print for a "credit"

    The irony is this attitude is what effectively helps kill both the photography and journalism professions.
    I know, I know but I still think it is a cheek asking for such a level of commitment, as Crazy says, without offering anything in return
    Perhaps though, it might be the sort of thing that appeals to those from the "work experience" thread, which some of you were championing?
    Sure, if it was work experience for a couple of weeks at their offices to gain skills and knowledge of working in the media, working to deadlines etc it would be great.

    But sadly, that's not what it is. They want some to write a weekly column for their website for no pay for a whole season.

    I know, as BA said, that that is what happens and there will be some willing to do it and good luck to them but it still stinks IMHO

  • was you paid then when you did a weekly column for the Bexley Times website ?
  • edited July 2012
    There are plenty of people who already write a blog on Charlton for free. Writing something and knowing that it's going to be read by potentially thousands of people is a big enough reward to consider doing it for free. Not everything is about money.

    Separately, I bet Dan-From-Shoot is a massive fan of every football team's forum he posts on.
  • Would look good on the CV

  • Sure, if it was work experience for a couple of weeks at their offices to gain skills and knowledge of working in the media, working to deadlines etc it would be great.

    But sadly, that's not what it is. They want some to write a weekly column for their website for no pay for a whole season.

    I know, as BA said, that that is what happens and there will be some willing to do it and good luck to them but it still stinks IMHO



    I am fully aware as to "what it is", and surley, 10 months of writing for a publication, no doubt improving his/her writing skills in the process would be more beneficial than hanging around an office for two weeks making the odd cup of tea?

    No doubt someone will pipe up with "work experience isn't like that anymore", and yes depending on if you're lucky it won't be. I know of someone who got the work experience kid to sort out staples into the same sizes!
  • The way I see it, to have to work to a deadline at least once a week is to much pressure for no pay, yes it would be nice for your blog to be read by 100's or even 1000's. But for nothing, is a bit much to ask even with the kudos from other readers, due to the pressure of letting people down.
  • Very interested in this will inbox you in a miniute.
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  • I think this is a great opportunity for someone who wants to get into sports journalism, it's only 300-500 words a week, jesus Mr.Irving you write more than that in an average post on here!

    Doing 300 words a week isn't on a par with journalism for free. When I was 16-17 I did work experience at a number of magazines and was kept on as a freelancer, unpaid of course (I was naive and enthusiastic and after the exposure), and after a few months of not being paid despite writing thousands of words (and one month writing the review of the product featured on the cover!) I asked for money I was told there was none, and when I said that was a problem to me I was dropped. That was with both Future and Dennis Publishing in the early nineties.

    Now *that* is illustrative of the exploitation that can happen in the press, but writing just over 300 words a week for Shoot about a club you love? That sounds fun, and a great opportunity, and brilliant experience for a youngster. I really don't think it falls in the category of exploiting unpaid workers.

    (for the record I'm 100% against all the unpaid back to work schemes and in no way support exploitation of enthusiastic young talent but this is a million miles away from that...)
  • 228 words in that post above. AFKA, invoice is in the post.
  • Out of interest LFE, are you still working in journalism now?
  • No, but I'm still friends with a lot who do.

    (without going off topic I develop video games now)
  • I'm with Henry on this one. If Shoot are getting profits from the work of a blogger (however few words are written or however enthusiastic) then they should pay for it. Even a nominal sum would recognise the principle. This is just another example of the exploitation of people (usually young) desperate for work. The fact that it is for a club you follow doesn't make it any the more palatable.

    What's the difference between writing for Shoot and writing on this site? As we saw recently, AFKA is not in this for profit but can anyone say the same for Shoot?
  • I'd be very interested.
  • What if CL had banner ads down the side and every time we posted we were in effect driving traffic to the site, should we all take a share of it? (relevant as many forums have advertising).

    This isn't asking people to become a journalist for free. It's asking people who have a passion about something and probably write thousands of words on the subject each week already to write a column of hardly any substance that will give them great exposure, personal pride and look good on their CV...

    I agree with Legaladdick and Henry Irving in principle but I think you are choosing the wrong target here. The press (written and photographic) have a terrible attitude (in certain parts) of exploiting those trying to get on the bottom rung, but this is not the same.
  • I think this is a great opportunity for someone who wants to get into sports journalism, it's only 300-500 words a week, jesus Mr.Irving you write more than that in an average post on here!

    Doing 300 words a week isn't on a par with journalism for free. When I was 16-17 I did work experience at a number of magazines and was kept on as a freelancer, unpaid of course (I was naive and enthusiastic and after the exposure), and after a few months of not being paid despite writing thousands of words (and one month writing the review of the product featured on the cover!) I asked for money I was told there was none, and when I said that was a problem to me I was dropped. That was with both Future and Dennis Publishing in the early nineties.

    Now *that* is illustrative of the exploitation that can happen in the press, but writing just over 300 words a week for Shoot about a club you love? That sounds fun, and a great opportunity, and brilliant experience for a youngster. I really don't think it falls in the category of exploiting unpaid workers.

    (for the record I'm 100% against all the unpaid back to work schemes and in no way support exploitation of enthusiastic young talent but this is a million miles away from that...)
    I think you illustrate the 'issue' perfectly....... Leaburn working for Felix Dennis, the dope smoking millionaire, who published the infamous 'Oz' schoolboy issue, to go on and publish kung fu magazines , and wank mags readers wives specials........ is on his boat now, well on his way to being a tax exile years ago, and I can assure you would not cross the road for you, or come to think of it me my friend. I have no idea wether this can lead to a career, but I doubt it.
    Yes we are all keen and enthusiastic as you state, but Shoot used to be published by IPC and was sold a few years ago, they sacked the staff, and I think flogged off the title, mind you if you wanted 'exposure' at least you were at the right publishing house, if you get my meaning.......
  • Do you have to be over 18?

    If not I'd happily do it.
  • Just to be clear Ken... I'm not suggesting that my experiences should be accepted or should be the done thing! (as the tone of your reply sounds like you think I'm condoning it... couldn't be further from the truth).
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