Ive witnessed a bloke on Shaftesbury avenue walking along saying effin white c**t. I understand why whatever colour you are, you would take offence to this sort of comment.
Agree with vg about it being overused. When I say it's over used if anyone saw the 2 dolls in tesco argument you would know what I mean.
People complaining because the black doll was £1 cheaper than the white doll saying it's seen as rascist. How pathetic.
The allegation against Terry was that he used the word 'black' as part of an insult, therefore intending that word to be an offensive term. Black (and indeed many white) people have battled for a long, long time to overcome the European tendency to see people of African descent as inferior and somehow deserving to be treated with abusive language and behaviour and their right not to be so treated is now enshrined in law. That is why calling someone a 'black c**t' is worse than calling them any other kind of 'c**t'. Having said that, I think this case was doomed from the start and should never have been brought. I agree with Muttley that it has done nothing to further race relations in this country. Also I'm amazed that anyone should think that only male footballers (of all players of team sports in the world) use abusive language to one another (cricket is notorious for this for a start) - what sort of world do they live in?
Dry up and stick to the thread, why is saying "feeling like a spot on a domino" racist. A black person could say the same about most boozers in the UK and I wouldn't take offence!<<i>/blockquote>
You might feel a little differently about such a comment were it said on a Black Nationalist forum if such a thing exists.
Dry up and stick to the thread, why is saying "feeling like a spot on a domino" racist. A black person could say the same about most boozers in the UK and I wouldn't take offence!<<i>/blockquote>
You might feel a little differently about such a comment were it said on a Black Nationalist forum if such a thing exists.
What, black people with racist beliefs? Never! Of coarse black nationalist exist, just like islamic extremists and so on.
Just to put the record staight though, I don't believe I am racist. I have black and asian mates who I have worked with over the years and who drink with when I'm in the UK with no problem.
It would be pretty ludicrous given examples from history for a white person to say they were affected by racism as much as a black person. Ive watched football since the 70s and seen appalling racist abuse directed at black players which they're supposed to laugh off and if they react then apparently theyve got a chip on their shoulder. To casually dismiss the topic suggests limited understanding of its importance.
The fact is a lot of black people will cry racism even if they are not offended by the comment. I was watching Big Brother the other day and a girl referred to someone as a gorilla meaning he was big, lazy and smelly. However he was black so twitter went mad about it by 'moral' white people and black people. I then saw a tweet from a black girl that said something along the lines of 'was anyone actually offended by what she said? Get real people'.
It would be pretty ludicrous given examples from history for a white person to say they were affected by racism as much as a black person. Ive watched football since the 70s and seen appalling racist abuse directed at black players which they're supposed to laugh off and if they react then apparently theyve got a chip on their shoulder. To casually dismiss the topic suggests limited understanding of its importance.
I'm not condoning or dismissing any of that at all, I just think that it's going to come to the point where just saying words like 'black' will be outlawed, in any context, incase it offends someone, sounds bloody stupid, but that is the way it seems to be going! As I said before had Terry used the 'N' word (or similar) in the context he was accused, then yeah he should've been in the sh1t.
It would be pretty ludicrous given examples from history for a white person to say they were affected by racism as much as a black person. Ive watched football since the 70s and seen appalling racist abuse directed at black players which they're supposed to laugh off and if they react then apparently theyve got a chip on their shoulder. To casually dismiss the topic suggests limited understanding of its importance.
I'm not condoning or dismissing any of that at all, I just think that it's going to come to the point where just saying words like 'black' will be outlawed, in any context, incase it offends someone, sounds bloody stupid, but that is the way it seems to be going! As I said before had Terry used the 'N' word (or similar) in the context he was accused, then yeah he should've been in the sh1t.
But if he had used that word sarcastically repeating what he had heard as a question then he still would have been found not guilty. Which is the whole point at the end of the day.
All this case has shown is they cant prove in what context he said the words-it doesn't mean he didnt say them in a racist way but it hasn't been proven. JT as far as I'm aware initially denied using these words. This case as far as Im concerned has achieved nothing and shouldn't have been proceeded with if there was little chance of proving intent.
Big Rob, I understand from your posts that you live in France. This is a genuine question with no sub text, do you speak fluent French?
Not quite fluent as I have only been here for 2 years and I think it takes up to 10 years to become fluent in another language. What's that got to do with JohnTerry being found not guilty of calling Anton Ferdinand a black c*** @Redskin?
All this case has shown is they cant prove in what context he said the words-it doesn't mean he didnt say them in a racist way but it hasn't been proven. JT as far as I'm aware initially denied using these words. This case as far as Im concerned has achieved nothing and shouldn't have been proceeded with if there was little chance of proving intent.
I think the statement he originally made to the FA days after it happened he gave the same story. I don't think he ever denied saying the words, just the context in which he said them.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agree with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agree with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
absolutely agree with this.
there are too many do gooders interfering in something that ultimately has nothing to do with them and does not affect them.
this topic frustrates me so much as it is so one sided. i could give examples but it would add nothing to the thread.
A Ferdinand has a lot to answer for and so do the authorities who brought this case to Court. I'd have been more concerned at being called a c*** to be honest.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agrete with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
As a white person I find racism offensive whoever its directed at. Its still a big problem and most football clubs still have their fair share of bigots who perhaps are more wary of airing their views these days.
Colin Cowdrey told a story about the West Indies cricket team touring here in 1963, a great team, Wes Hall, Lance Gibbs, Gary Sobers, Frank Worrell, Basil Butcher, Rohan Kanhai. Cowdrey stated that every innings he had during that series was blighted by Joe Solomon standing close in at short leg and endlessly muttering 'you out you big fat white c**t' as the bowler ran in to bowl. In those times is was 'not done' to complain to the umpires and neither was it done for a batsman to deliberately attempt to smack a ball straight at a close- in fielder in an attempt to either move him or to dissuade him from using foul language. I doubt very much whether (say) Viv Richards or Gary Sobers would have regarded a similar enless insulting barrage from an England fielder with the same equanimity as did Cowdrey.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people.
Many white people in today's modern Britain have black and mixed race members of their family, including the Ferdinands. And me. And I would suspect other posters on here. Why shouldn't we be concerned about how our children and family are treated?
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agree with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
absolutely agree with this.
there are too many do gooders interfering in something that ultimately has nothing to do with them and does not affect them.
this topic frustrates me so much as it is so one sided. i could give examples but it would add nothing to the thread.
A Ferdinand has a lot to answer for and so do the authorities who brought this case to Court. I'd have been more concerned at being called a c*** to be honest.
So are you saying that white people should ignore racism when it doesn't directly affect them? If I saw someone being racially abused (whatever race they are) then I would have no hesitation in stepping in, would I be interfering?
Big Rob, I understand from your posts that you live in France. This is a genuine question with no sub text, do you speak fluent French?
Not quite fluent as I have only been here for 2 years and I think it takes up to 10 years to become fluent in another language. What's that got to do with JohnTerry being found not guilty of calling Anton Ferdinand a black c*** @Redskin?
Nothing to do with the subject obviously (and I know that's frowned upon on here) I was simply curious.There was nothing sinister or underhand in my question, as I said, just idle curiosity.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people.
Many white people in today's modern Britain have black and mixed race members of their family, including the Ferdinands. And me. And I would suspect other posters on here. Why shouldn't we be concerned about how our children and family are treated?
Because they are a memeber of your family, so you would be offended, but I'm right in saying that you're not related to the Ferdinands?
I would be offended if someone called my mate a french c***, but I don't get offended on behalf of my mate every time I hear someone call a complete stranger a french c*** because that would be rediculous!
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agree with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
absolutely agree with this.
there are too many do gooders interfering in something that ultimately has nothing to do with them and does not affect them.
this topic frustrates me so much as it is so one sided. i could give examples but it would add nothing to the thread.
A Ferdinand has a lot to answer for and so do the authorities who brought this case to Court. I'd have been more concerned at being called a c*** to be honest.
So are you saying that white people should ignore racism when it doesn't directly affect them? If I saw someone being racially abused (whatever race they are) then I would have no hesitation in stepping in, would I be interfering?
I've come up against what I would call "racism" in the two years that I have been here, but I expect it and just try and win them over with excellent humour and quick wit. I look at it that I have decided to move to their country and so it's down to me to adapt to them and their way of life rather than expect them to adapt to mine. So far so good, any lifers fancy a break over here you're all welcome as it's only me and the two dogs most of the time.
Because they are a memeber of your family, so you would be offended, but I'm right in saying that you're not related to the Ferdinands?
I would be offended if someone called my mate a french c***, but I don't get offended on behalf of my mate every time I hear someone call a complete stranger a french c*** because that would be rediculous!
But if they can get away with doing it to one, they'll do it to another. And so will their mates.
The thing that gets me and some black people I have spoken to on the subject, is white people getting offended on behalf of black people. That in itself can be seen as a bit on the condescending side. Agree with what @Norfolk_Addick said in their post re. the Big Brother Gorillagate story.
absolutely agree with this.
there are too many do gooders interfering in something that ultimately has nothing to do with them and does not affect them.
this topic frustrates me so much as it is so one sided. i could give examples but it would add nothing to the thread.
A Ferdinand has a lot to answer for and so do the authorities who brought this case to Court. I'd have been more concerned at being called a c*** to be honest.
So are you saying that white people should ignore racism when it doesn't directly affect them? If I saw someone being racially abused (whatever race they are) then I would have no hesitation in stepping in, would I be interfering?
I've come up against what I would call "racism" in the two years that I have been here, but I expect it and just try and win them over with excellent humour and quick wit. I look at it that I have decided to move to their country and so it's down to me to adapt to them and their way of life rather than expect them to adapt to mine. So far so good, any lifers fancy a break over here you're all welcome as it's only me and the two dogs most of the time.
I don't understand what you mean, if someone decides to move to this country should just allow racist comments as a everyday life.
Big Rob, I understand from your posts that you live in France. This is a genuine question with no sub text, do you speak fluent French?
Not quite fluent as I have only been here for 2 years and I think it takes up to 10 years to become fluent in another language. What's that got to do with JohnTerry being found not guilty of calling Anton Ferdinand a black c*** @Redskin?
Nothing to do with the subject obviously (and I know that's frowned upon on here) I was simply curious.There was nothing sinister or underhand in my question, as I said, just idle curiosity.
I live in China and my Chinese is fairly awful, however most Chinese people are impressed enough by the fact my friends and I are trying to learn.
All I know is 'racism' is the most over used word in the English language!
Racism is generally not an issue if it doesn't affect you but those on the receiving end of it certainly wouldn't agree with you.
Having been in the receiving end of racism over the last 9 months I can certainly confirm this isn't true.
Sadly as someone who has spent the last 6 years of my life fighting against groups like the BNP or EDL this is one of those stupid moves by people in the enlightened side of views(left wing) as it plays in to the hands of the, political correctness has gone mad brigade who's view when it really comes down to it, is things where better when you could hate people of a different ethnic background/gay people/women and get away with saying whatever you like, or my favourite nonsense view that white british people are treated worse then other's which is laughable and for the record i am white dont have any family members who are not white as far as im aware but i am sickened when i hear racism or hate of any kind.
Oh and i dont like Terry but dont think he is a racist.
Sadly as someone who has spent the last 6 years of my life fighting against groups like the BNP or EDL this is one of those stupid moves by people in the enlightened side of views(left wing) as it plays in to the hands of the, political correctness has gone mad brigade who's view when it really comes down to it, is things where better when you could hate people of a different ethnic background/gay people/women and get away with saying whatever you like, or my favourite nonsense view that white british people are treated worse then other's which is laughable and for the record i am white dont have any family members who are not white as far as im aware but i am sickened when i hear racism or hate of any kind.
Oh and i dont like Terry but dont think he is a racist.
At last! Didn't agree with any of that GGA until you got to the Terry not being racist bit, but at least you have put your politcical beliefs to one side and answered the question in hand. Nice one!
Just to make my point again, I don't hate people with different ethnic backgrounds and I'm definetly not homophobic or sexist.
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Agree with vg about it being overused.
When I say it's over used if anyone saw the 2 dolls in tesco argument you would know what I mean.
People complaining because the black doll was £1 cheaper than the white doll saying it's seen as rascist. How pathetic.
Dry up and stick to the thread, why is saying "feeling like a spot on a domino" racist. A black person could say the same about most boozers in the UK and I wouldn't take offence!<<i>/blockquote>
You might feel a little differently about such a comment were it said on a Black Nationalist forum if such a thing exists.
Just to put the record staight though, I don't believe I am racist. I have black and asian mates who I have worked with over the years and who drink with when I'm in the UK with no problem.
To casually dismiss the topic suggests limited understanding of its importance.
This case as far as Im concerned has achieved nothing and shouldn't have been proceeded with if there was little chance of proving intent.
there are too many do gooders interfering in something that ultimately has nothing to do with them and does not affect them.
this topic frustrates me so much as it is so one sided. i could give examples but it would add nothing to the thread.
A Ferdinand has a lot to answer for and so do the authorities who brought this case to Court. I'd have been more concerned at being called a c*** to be honest.
perhaps are more wary of airing their views these days.
Nothing to do with the subject obviously (and I know that's frowned upon on here) I was simply curious.There was nothing sinister or underhand in my question, as I said, just idle curiosity.
I would be offended if someone called my mate a french c***, but I don't get offended on behalf of my mate every time I hear someone call a complete stranger a french c*** because that would be rediculous!
But if they can get away with doing it to one, they'll do it to another. And so will their mates.
Having been in the receiving end of racism over the last 9 months I can certainly confirm this isn't true.
Becoming a bit of a pantomime now
Oh and i dont like Terry but dont think he is a racist.
Just to make my point again, I don't hate people with different ethnic backgrounds and I'm definetly not homophobic or sexist.