the Hammers will be a lot more competitive on paper than Blackpool next season . West Ham will be back up at some stage and would be more of a threat than Blackpool ,but what a couple of exciting derby games we could have .
Won't West Ham lose their better players if they stay down? I'm not sure that you've got that right.
Would agree with the blackburn statement wouldnt want them suffering what we had after the fall out from the prem. Bolton its hard to say depends what they do in the summer. Think Wolves might come off the better off, mysterious new manager might work? again depends who they keep
I can't see how Bolton can fund the interest payments of their debt (rumoured to be in the region of £110m).
Assuming they have ten players out of contract I assume they will all leave then they will have a number of players earning too much for another club to even take them on a free.
Basically they are where we were only with about four times as much debt.
They could gamble everything on going straight back up, but if they fail the job of cutting back on costs is much bigger.
Sadly I can't see any alternatives to promotion or administration - with the latter looking more likely to me.
I can't see how Bolton can fund the interest payments of their debt (rumoured to be in the region of £110m).
Assuming they have ten players out of contract I assume they will all leave then they will have a number of players earning too much for another club to even take them on a free.
Basically they are where we were only with about four times as much debt.
They could gamble everything on going straight back up, but if they fail the job of cutting back on costs is much bigger.
Sadly I can't see any alternatives to promotion or administration - with the latter looking more likely to me.
You assume that the debt attracts interest. Could be an interest free loan from a director or a deferred loan of some sort. If the debt is to the owner he could convert it to equity (or at least he could before the new financial fair play rules)
Also it depends which 10 players are out of contract. Charlton have lost 6 players already from out successful Championship winning squad. Should other teams think we will be much weaker next season or do they realise it was Doc, Alonso, etc.
There are parallels with where we were when we went down but the parachute money has increased since then and this season just gone all of the relegated sides reached the play-offs.
On the other hand, Bolton don''t seem to have any major saleable assets, the sale of Darren Bent helped cushion the financial blow for us and enabled the purchase of a successful promotion chasing team. In my dreams anyway.
On the other hand, Bolton don''t seem to have any major saleable assets, the sale of Darren Bent helped cushion the financial blow for us and enabled the purchase of a successful promotion chasing team. In my dreams anyway.
What about young Kevin Davies? ;-)
Sad thing is, probably their most valuable asset at the start of the season was Muamba. Even if he does get back to playing, I really can't see any club paying out for him......................
I think historically the relegated 3 from the prem do quite well (mostly). I think that Brum will be hard matches and also The Shammers if they dont go up, I dont fear Blackpool, but I do think that Sheff Wednesday may be a outside bet. But I think Wolves will be the team to beat.
MuttleyCAFC 11:49AM Kevin Davies is 35 and out of contract.
I did read that KD will be offered a new contract and a coaching role but Nigel Reo-Cocker has already jumpt ship and some of their more experienced players (Petrov Knight etc) who are out of contract are being offered vastly reduced wages and will look to move on. I think Bolton could see a mid table finish next year.
Potential signing for us or still premiership class? I'm going for the latter. A promoted team may sign him as their manager knows him well or due to an ageing striker doing well this season.
Bolton's three best players (other than a couple of good keepers) are all up on blocks at the moment, which may help them. If Muamba, Holden and Lee recover and play in the CCC, they'll be amongst the best players in the league.
Just as this/last season, all the relegated clubs will be strong. The golden parachute sees to that. Blackburn need some radical overhauls but will retain a strong playing staff, Wolves has a huge and unwieldy squad which needs trimming and an as yet new and (in this country anyway) unproven manager with a name just ripe for plays on words should things go wrong .. or even should they go well come to that. Bolton look the strongest. A little 'unlucky' to go down, though, of course, no points means no prizes, but with a decent manager, good players and Bolton is a club which has always had an 'attitude' far above its fighting weight. Roll on the 2012/13 season and lets all see how the cookies crumble. I'm looking forward to my drives or train trips over the pennines to the hotspots, or should that be hot pots and fleshpots of good old north Lancashire
I can't see how Bolton can fund the interest payments of their debt (rumoured to be in the region of £110m).
Assuming they have ten players out of contract I assume they will all leave then they will have a number of players earning too much for another club to even take them on a free.
Basically they are where we were only with about four times as much debt.
They could gamble everything on going straight back up, but if they fail the job of cutting back on costs is much bigger.
Sadly I can't see any alternatives to promotion or administration - with the latter looking more likely to me.
You assume that the debt attracts interest. Could be an interest free loan from a director or a deferred loan of some sort. If the debt is to the owner he could convert it to equity (or at least he could before the new financial fair play rules)
Also it depends which 10 players are out of contract. Charlton have lost 6 players already from out successful Championship winning squad. Should other teams think we will be much weaker next season or do they realise it was Doc, Alonso, etc.
There are parallels with where we were when we went down but the parachute money has increased since then and this season just gone all of the relegated sides reached the play-offs.
You're quite right, of course. Their debt could be to a friendly director who will waive the potential £7m for a season (or even longer) - it could even be written off or converted to equity. I can't, personally, see why anyone would do that now if they haven't already, but it is certainly a possibility.
Of the players that are leaving it might be for the best if it is their higher earning players. As they are going to have many on big wages they are going to still have a large bill moving forward. In their last two Premier League seasons (for which accounts are available) they made losses of c. £35m and c. £26m, with a TV revenue in the last of those seasons of c. £44m. Which makes for an annual trading loss of something in the region of £79m and £70m in the last two years if you take out the TV money. The TV Money is about £41m less in the Championship that they got in that last accounting year.
Even with the parachute money which is, in total, a lot more than we got, but is spread over four years, they are going to have to find a substantial injection of money for the first season alone.
The fact that there are all three relegated teams in the playoffs would suggest (well guarantee, in fact) that at least two of them are going to be in this division for another season. If Bolton gamble everything on getting back at the first attempt, and fail then their financial predicament is, presumably, worse.
In fact in the eleven full seasons (including the following two) since we were relegated in 1999 with a total number of 33 teams relegated, only nine teams have been promoted the following season, and only four more in their second season out of the Premier League. With odds like that I would be very worried for Bolton, and to a smaller extend Blackburn (only smaller as I have less understanding of their financial plight)
Bolton's Chairman, the arrogant Mr Gartside was the gadgie that was spouting off about stopping relegation from the Premiership.
I wonder if he's still as enthusiastic about facing a closed door??
Nice one, Poolikev !
Hope next season is a more successful one for you.
Thanks Mr Fanny. We've got the core of a decent team and the best manager we've had since....well...Neale Cooper, so I hope so. See who we can get in through the summer.
Bolton's Chairman, the arrogant Mr Gartside was the gadgie that was spouting off about stopping relegation from the Premiership.
I wonder if he's still as enthusiastic about facing a closed door??
Nice one, Poolikev !
Hope next season is a more successful one for you.
Thanks Mrs Fanny. We've got the core of a decent team and the best manager we've had since....well...Neale Cooper, so I hope so. See who we can get in through the summer.
Amended for you. You wouldnt want our Fanny coming up there to sort you out. She is a feisty pensioner - think Linda 'Dynasty' Evans
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Bolton its hard to say depends what they do in the summer.
Think Wolves might come off the better off, mysterious new manager might work? again depends who they keep
Assuming they have ten players out of contract I assume they will all leave then they will have a number of players earning too much for another club to even take them on a free.
Basically they are where we were only with about four times as much debt.
They could gamble everything on going straight back up, but if they fail the job of cutting back on costs is much bigger.
Sadly I can't see any alternatives to promotion or administration - with the latter looking more likely to me.
Also it depends which 10 players are out of contract. Charlton have lost 6 players already from out successful Championship winning squad. Should other teams think we will be much weaker next season or do they realise it was Doc, Alonso, etc.
There are parallels with where we were when we went down but the parachute money has increased since then and this season just gone all of the relegated sides reached the play-offs.
Sad thing is, probably their most valuable asset at the start of the season was Muamba. Even if he does get back to playing, I really can't see any club paying out for him......................
But I think Wolves will be the team to beat.
Bolton look the strongest. A little 'unlucky' to go down, though, of course, no points means no prizes, but with a decent manager, good players and Bolton is a club which has always had an 'attitude' far above its fighting weight. Roll on the 2012/13 season and lets all see how the cookies crumble. I'm looking forward to my drives or train trips over the pennines to the hotspots, or should that be hot pots and fleshpots of good old north Lancashire
Of the players that are leaving it might be for the best if it is their higher earning players. As they are going to have many on big wages they are going to still have a large bill moving forward. In their last two Premier League seasons (for which accounts are available) they made losses of c. £35m and c. £26m, with a TV revenue in the last of those seasons of c. £44m. Which makes for an annual trading loss of something in the region of £79m and £70m in the last two years if you take out the TV money. The TV Money is about £41m less in the Championship that they got in that last accounting year.
Even with the parachute money which is, in total, a lot more than we got, but is spread over four years, they are going to have to find a substantial injection of money for the first season alone.
The fact that there are all three relegated teams in the playoffs would suggest (well guarantee, in fact) that at least two of them are going to be in this division for another season. If Bolton gamble everything on getting back at the first attempt, and fail then their financial predicament is, presumably, worse.
In fact in the eleven full seasons (including the following two) since we were relegated in 1999 with a total number of 33 teams relegated, only nine teams have been promoted the following season, and only four more in their second season out of the Premier League. With odds like that I would be very worried for Bolton, and to a smaller extend Blackburn (only smaller as I have less understanding of their financial plight)
Bolton's Chairman, the arrogant Mr Gartside was the gadgie that was spouting off about stopping relegation from the Premiership.
I wonder if he's still as enthusiastic about facing a closed door??
Hope next season is a more successful one for you.
You wouldnt want our Fanny coming up there to sort you out.
She is a feisty pensioner - think Linda 'Dynasty' Evans