haha I said that defense of the guy leads to a sad emoticon! Not sure what else to say - I think it's really odd that people still defend the guy... I don't get why...
because .. guess what .. he is good at what he does on the pitch, i.e. captaining a successful team and preventing the opposition from scoring as well as himself scoring the odd goal and breaking out of defence .. and YES, I DO remember the missed Moscow penalty
I, personally, don't see that as a good trade off.
Just out of interest Lincs, where do you draw the line? At what point would you decide that you wouldn't want to be cheering John Terry on? Is there anything he can do, in your eyes, that would make you think 'enough's enough, I don't want to get behind this fellow!'
He might be dislikeable to some (personaly I have no opinion about him one way or the other....well other than he's a terrific footballer and Captian) but your going OTT Jimmy...that piece you wrote about him makes him out to be the devil incarnate which, he obviously isn't.
I, personally, don't see that as a good trade off.
Just out of interest Lincs, where do you draw the line? At what point would you decide that you wouldn't want to be cheering John Terry on? Is there anything he can do, in your eyes, that would make you think 'enough's enough, I don't want to get behind this fellow!'
ooohhh let me think ... farting in front of the Queen ... not bowing to 'Prince' Harry Hewitt ... you ask a silly question, you get silly answers Jimmy
I called him despicable, not the devil - those are your words. I cant stand him and won't support a team he's playing in, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in feeling that way.
I realise it's a little hypocritical to select one player out of the hundreds who might well make negative life choices, but I find him an extreme example. The guy's verbally abused a friend of mine at a bar, he's made racist comments to my father in law. I find it really difficult to get past that, on top of his litany of social errors. Sorry you find it OTT, just the way I feel!
I, personally, don't see that as a good trade off.
Just out of interest Lincs, where do you draw the line? At what point would you decide that you wouldn't want to be cheering John Terry on? Is there anything he can do, in your eyes, that would make you think 'enough's enough, I don't want to get behind this fellow!'
ooohhh let me think ... farting in front of the Queen ... not bowing to 'Prince' Harry Hewitt ... you ask a silly question, you get silly answers Jimmy
I thought it was a reasonable question that got a stupid/ witless answer. So far I don't think you've said a single thing that would sway a reasonable-thinking person's opinion.
I, personally, don't see that as a good trade off.
Just out of interest Lincs, where do you draw the line? At what point would you decide that you wouldn't want to be cheering John Terry on? Is there anything he can do, in your eyes, that would make you think 'enough's enough, I don't want to get behind this fellow!'
ooohhh let me think ... farting in front of the Queen ... not bowing to 'Prince' Harry Hewitt ... you ask a silly question, you get silly answers Jimmy
I thought it was a reasonable question that got a stupid/ witless answer. So far I don't think you've said a single thing that would sway a reasonable-thinking person's opinion.
well Jimmy, a stupid 1/2wit like yourself deserved a stupid answer
but seriously, he hasn't murdered, raped or maimed anyone, he comes from a rough tough family in a rough and tough part of London , he is no better and no worse than many working class herberts, be they footballers, xchange brokers, dustmen, car salesmen or on the old king cole. He can't help it if members of his family go out thieving and selling a bit of bob. I suspect that like all of us from time to time, you have a bee in your bonnet, in your case about JT. Don't start slagging off those who have a differnt opinion, as 'witless and stupid' as you think their opinion may be. JT is not a lot different from thousands and thousands of those who pay their hard earned to watch him perform on the field of play, where, I suggest he always gives 100% and that is all most football fans really care about.
The guy's verbally abused a friend of mine at a bar, he's made racist comments to my father in law.
come on Lincs on the strength of what jimmy says there , he has a right to think of JT as a helm of the highest order
granted, but I am NOT going to be called a witless idiot for stating my case in defence of JT. IF he (JT) had offended me as he has offended Jimmy, then, I would be of a different mind.
When I saw the title I thought you were talking about Terry Naylor...Parachuted into the Valley, presented with the cup and sings a duet with Pixie Lott
granted, but I am NOT going to be called a witless idiot for stating my case in defence of JT. IF he (JT) had offended me as he has offended Jimmy, then, I would be of a different mind.
But you didn't...I asked you a question, I was genuinely interested in how you would respond - but you didn't answer it - you just said it was a stupid question. Admittedly I poked you with a stick (quite successfully it seems), which didn't help, but I wasn't calling you an idiot, merely responding in kind.
When you refer to all those other walks of life, where there are people of a similar ilk, I can't disagree. But I don't ever see those people being cheered by tens of thousands of people, just because they do their jobs right. I, personally, am very uncomfortable with the idea of forgiving the guy on the basis that he is good at heading a ball (I could care less about his family stealing stuff, what bothers me is the plethora of things he has personally done despite his responsibility as captain of club and country).
Jimmy .... you claim that he has personally offended friends and kin of yours .. obviously you have a different perspective of the man than do I. Marlon King or Ched Evans ... I would consider what they have done (or rather been convicted of) to be enough to bring down approbation from football fans across the nation and I would not and will not attend a game in which they are playing .. IN MY OPINION, JT does not fall into the same category as the aforementioned two men. It seems we are going to agree to disagree on this one.
Fair enough, Lincs. But before I sign off on this, here's the rap sheet of stuff that bothers me (plus the aforementioned abuse). It's nowhere near as bad as Ched/ Marlon. But hardly the stuff of captains!
The blokes a idiot, him being allowed to lift the cup if they win(which I pray every day they won't!) is ridiculous, he was sent off in the last game and shouldn't be allowed to lift the cup.
Not a very impressive history for an England Captain.
Lincs Aren't you being a bit inconsistent here? You are prepared to defend Terry because you are only concerned how he performs on the pitch and not how he conducts himself off it. Yet you would not attend a game in which Evans or King play because of their off-field conduct. Will your view of Terry alter IF he is convicted? Is your view of watching Evans and King related to the nature of their crimes? For my part I deplored Lee Hughes conduct but I didn't boycott the Valley when he came (and was shite incidentally) as I don't see what that would achieve.
Not a very impressive history for an England Captain.
Lincs Aren't you being a bit inconsistent here? You are prepared to defend Terry because you are only concerned how he performs on the pitch and not how he conducts himself off it. Yet you would not attend a game in which Evans or King play because of their off-field conduct. Will your view of Terry alter IF he is convicted? Is your view of watching Evans and King related to the nature of their crimes? For my part I deplored Lee Hughes conduct but I didn't boycott the Valley when he came (and was shite incidentally) as I don't see what that would achieve.
(Straightforward, non-hostile question.)
And a 'peaceful answer' ... I regard the offences for which King and Evans were convicted as beyond the pale. I suspect, with no 'proof' whatsoever that Terry and the Ferdinand family have a long term beef to resolve and the as yet unproven accusations of 'racist abuse' aimed at Terry will not result in a criminal conviction. We will see. As simple as that.
My wife said to me during the Champions League semi-final: 'I don't like him - he never smiles'
Instead of giving him the trophy in Munich (if they win), couldn't they give him a Chelsea Smiler - for Mr Chelsea not to have once of them seems just wrong.
Not a very impressive history for an England Captain.
Lincs Aren't you being a bit inconsistent here? You are prepared to defend Terry because you are only concerned how he performs on the pitch and not how he conducts himself off it. Yet you would not attend a game in which Evans or King play because of their off-field conduct. Will your view of Terry alter IF he is convicted? Is your view of watching Evans and King related to the nature of their crimes? For my part I deplored Lee Hughes conduct but I didn't boycott the Valley when he came (and was shite incidentally) as I don't see what that would achieve.
(Straightforward, non-hostile question.)
And a 'peaceful answer' ... I regard the offences for which King and Evans were convicted as beyond the pale. I suspect, with no 'proof' whatsoever that Terry and the Ferdinand family have a long term beef to resolve and the as yet unproven accusations of 'racist abuse' aimed at Terry will not result in a criminal conviction. We will see. As simple as that.
The proof is in the video - it's as clear as day what he says to anyone with a brain. The geezers a quality footballer and captain but he is also a racist and a genuine A GRADE bellend that always seems to get away with everything.
Hang on a minute here. I come from a 'rough tough family', from a 'rough tough part of London. Contrary to what many on here may think, however, I'm not a complete c*** - so how does that excuse Terry?
If the bloke's a complete prick, then fair enough. But it has precisely nothing to do with his upbringing.
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Just out of interest Lincs, where do you draw the line? At what point would you decide that you wouldn't want to be cheering John Terry on? Is there anything he can do, in your eyes, that would make you think 'enough's enough, I don't want to get behind this fellow!'
I realise it's a little hypocritical to select one player out of the hundreds who might well make negative life choices, but I find him an extreme example. The guy's verbally abused a friend of mine at a bar, he's made racist comments to my father in law. I find it really difficult to get past that, on top of his litany of social errors. Sorry you find it OTT, just the way I feel!
granted, but I am NOT going to be called a witless idiot for stating my case in defence of JT. IF he (JT) had offended me as he has offended Jimmy, then, I would be of a different mind.
When you refer to all those other walks of life, where there are people of a similar ilk, I can't disagree. But I don't ever see those people being cheered by tens of thousands of people, just because they do their jobs right. I, personally, am very uncomfortable with the idea of forgiving the guy on the basis that he is good at heading a ball (I could care less about his family stealing stuff, what bothers me is the plethora of things he has personally done despite his responsibility as captain of club and country).
- Verbally abuses Americans on Sep 11 2001 (http://bbc.in/e0UHfV)
- Parks his Bentley in disabled bay (http://bit.ly/JKvi8G)
- Cheats on fiance with teenager in a car park (and possibly 8 other women) (http://bit.ly/IabxRP)
- Charged with assault and affray (http://bit.ly/KhEXyi)
- Urinates in public (http://bit.ly/KhFu3k)
- Banned from driving (http://bit.ly/IZEsKz)
- Charges £10k for illegal tours of Chelsea (http://bit.ly/6knSFy)
- Wayne Bridge Saga (http://bit.ly/c90qUq)
- Anton Ferdinand Racial Abuse (Yet To Be Proven - http://bit.ly/rspKQj)
- Ledley King Racial Abuse (Unproven, but I'm in no doubt!) (http://bit.ly/tsYtn3)
- Spits on Carlos Tevez in Champions League final (http://tgr.ph/IwicZB)
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Aren't you being a bit inconsistent here? You are prepared to defend Terry because you are only concerned how he performs on the pitch and not how he conducts himself off it. Yet you would not attend a game in which Evans or King play because of their off-field conduct. Will your view of Terry alter IF he is convicted? Is your view of watching Evans and King related to the nature of their crimes? For my part I deplored Lee Hughes conduct but I didn't boycott the Valley when he came (and was shite incidentally) as I don't see what that would achieve.
(Straightforward, non-hostile question.)
'I don't like him - he never smiles'
Instead of giving him the trophy in Munich (if they win), couldn't they give him a Chelsea Smiler - for Mr Chelsea not to have once of them seems just wrong.
The rest, yeah, he's a scummer! Wasn't he also selling off his Wembley box?
If the bloke's a complete prick, then fair enough. But it has precisely nothing to do with his upbringing.