Holt, Lambert and Mendonca weren't players with pace so buying them late in their careers wasn't a gamble. Pace is Beavon's main weapon, so a no from me. Yann, BWP, Haynes and N'G or ano will do with Azeez and Sho Silva in the wings after loan experience.
Holt, Lambert and Mendonca weren't players with pace so buying them late in their careers wasn't a gamble. Pace is Beavon's main weapon, so a no from me. Yann, BWP, Haynes and N'G or ano will do with Azeez and Sho Silva in the wings after loan experience.
Finishing and positioning are Beavon's best assets. Beavon's hardly going to lose his pace at 28 either is he? I'm confused by that comment
Should buy Beavon and this Hayes chap whoever he is. Sounds a good combination up top. How much would Hayes cost?
Le Fondre is another who made the step up.
And remember how underwhelmed many on here were when we signed Yann and how his poor record at Leicester was held up as proof. And he is in his thirties.
Although Beavon is a bit short. Could be another player too short to make it like Solly. : - )
Should buy Beavon and this Hayes chap whoever he is. Sounds a good combination up top. How much would Hayes cost?
Le Fondre is another who made the step up.
And remember how underwhelmed many on here were when we signed Yann and how his poor record at Leicester was held up as proof. And he is in his thirties.
Although Beavon is a bit short. Could be another player too short to make it like Solly. : - )
Like others before you in this thread, the apparently baffling difference between taking a step up vs. taking one down has left you confused.
Oriental, the point about Yann people are making has nothing to do with stepping up or stepping down, it's to do with armchair managerial geniuses writing players off before they play for Charlton. Not too baffling really
Oriental, the point about Yann people are making has nothing to do with stepping up or stepping down, it's to do with armchair managerial geniuses writing players off before they play for Charlton. Not too baffling really
I am referring specifically to Stuart Beavon (and have been throughout) as this is the subject of the thread. Bringing Yann into the debate is good for illustrating the point that most Charlton fans wouldn't make good Charlton managers, although not entirely useful as an analogy over whether Beavon should be signed.
Anyway, we are all 'armchair managerial geniuses', are we not?!
Let's face it virtually no one in English football would have taken Yann. Chris knew him, and even others at Leicester who knew him didn't seem to rate him. So it's barely evidence of others not being able to spot quality when they've seen it.
As for Beavon an excellent achievement, well done to the player. But I saw nothing in his movement or play that convinced me he'll be better in a higher division, or score a similar ammount again. I saw a lot of excellent approach play by Wycombe, with little direct threat in the box. I can easily see why Hayes scored well at Wycombe, because they played a great little tight game around the box, but unlike with Hayes they had no one to hit in the centre.
Paying money for a player who's had one good season in the football league has very low likely chance of success. I've seen enough of nice neat players, who can't lose their marker through the middle, and are pushed into channels during neat approach play, during the not too distant past in the champ.
It would be a touch if we could get Harry Kane from Spurs on loan.
I would prefer a tried and tested Championship player, but could be worth a punt!
Not too sure if there would be the same amount of "fire in the belly" if we had a tried and tested Championship player who thinks he is already proven than getting in someone who has the hunger... But again Clarke was the highest scorer for Chesterfield and was a real flop with us, so ...
Some strikers need to be the main man and can't handle being second/third fiddle. Clarke was the main man at Chesterfield but had too much competition when he came to Charlton. He'll continue to do well for smaller clubs.
We won't be able to spend speculative money like we did under Pardew. I liked Beavon and I saw a bit in him than I haven't done with other strikers this season but for every Ricky Lambert there's a Izale McLeod.
PS: I wonder where Rhodes will be playing next season? Huddersfield...or one of the Sheffield clubs?
I should add the caveat one good season, after quite a few average ones.
You could have said the same about BWP when we signed him. In fact it was half a good season at Plymouth.
A player's age is less of an indicator of likely ability than it used to be. Players like Rooney and Michael Owen bursting onto the scene in their late teens have scewed our impression of what an old player is when traditionally 27 to 29 has been seen as being a striker's peak. It's not unreasonable to suggest that Beavon has just started to peak and might be good enough for the championship for a few seasons after a few meadiocre years in the lower leagues. Ricky Lambert recently said he wishes he'd taken his career more seriously when he was younger but he lacked the self belief - he has it by the spade now and I think is a little rueful that he didn't make the most of his talent and as such will have a truncated career at the top level. Who's to say Beavon isn't in a similar position? On the flip side, by the time he was 28 Owen was pretty much completely burnt-out and there have been plenty of one season wonders. Fact is there's a large element of gamble in every signing, but non-more so than when signing goalscorers and their past record will count for nothing if the rest of the team aren't set-up to give them the service they need.
Yesterday was the first time I've seen Beavon but he looked lively and the kind of player who might thrive on Big Yann's clever flicks. BWP has done very well for us this season, but he's yet to prove his goalscoring credentials in the second tier and I do fear he'll find chances harder to come by. He's a good poacher, but for my money is too often and bit too far from Yann and a bit flat-footed when Yann is winning his flick-ons and he certainly showed no Darren Bent when it comes to being ubber-realible in a 1-on-1 situation. I'm not suggesting for a second that we should right-off BWP, but I think we need options around him in the squad and to me the key to our potential success next year will be making the very most of Kermorgant's smart hold up play and flicks. I don't know if Beavon is the answer, but I would say we're more likely to take a punt on someone like him than spend big on a 'name' because that's the way we've done business until now.
Based on their work over the last 18 months, I trust Powell and his coaches to make good signings in the right areas.
With respect to the knowledgeable posts re. his weaknesses, he appeared strong, determined, and sharp, and has scored a variety of goals in a struggling team, plenty of which he appears (only from late night highlights) to have made for himself. Whether he's the type of player who would compliment those we already have in the squad is another matter. At the right price he might make a good, hungry addition, but again, we just don't know what our likely budget is.
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Le Fondre is another who made the step up.
And remember how underwhelmed many on here were when we signed Yann and how his poor record at Leicester was held up as proof. And he is in his thirties.
Although Beavon is a bit short. Could be another player too short to make it like Solly. : - )
Like others before you in this thread, the apparently baffling difference between taking a step up vs. taking one down has left you confused.
I still enjoyed your post though.
Anyway, we are all 'armchair managerial geniuses', are we not?!
Whether he's good enough for the championship? I'll leave that decision to CP....................
As for Beavon an excellent achievement, well done to the player. But I saw nothing in his movement or play that convinced me he'll be better in a higher division, or score a similar ammount again. I saw a lot of excellent approach play by Wycombe, with little direct threat in the box. I can easily see why Hayes scored well at Wycombe, because they played a great little tight game around the box, but unlike with Hayes they had no one to hit in the centre.
Paying money for a player who's had one good season in the football league has very low likely chance of success. I've seen enough of nice neat players, who can't lose their marker through the middle, and are pushed into channels during neat approach play, during the not too distant past in the champ.
It would be a touch if we could get Harry Kane from Spurs on loan.
We won't be able to spend speculative money like we did under Pardew. I liked Beavon and I saw a bit in him than I haven't done with other strikers this season but for every Ricky Lambert there's a Izale McLeod.
PS: I wonder where Rhodes will be playing next season? Huddersfield...or one of the Sheffield clubs?
A player's age is less of an indicator of likely ability than it used to be. Players like Rooney and Michael Owen bursting onto the scene in their late teens have scewed our impression of what an old player is when traditionally 27 to 29 has been seen as being a striker's peak. It's not unreasonable to suggest that Beavon has just started to peak and might be good enough for the championship for a few seasons after a few meadiocre years in the lower leagues. Ricky Lambert recently said he wishes he'd taken his career more seriously when he was younger but he lacked the self belief - he has it by the spade now and I think is a little rueful that he didn't make the most of his talent and as such will have a truncated career at the top level. Who's to say Beavon isn't in a similar position? On the flip side, by the time he was 28 Owen was pretty much completely burnt-out and there have been plenty of one season wonders. Fact is there's a large element of gamble in every signing, but non-more so than when signing goalscorers and their past record will count for nothing if the rest of the team aren't set-up to give them the service they need.
Yesterday was the first time I've seen Beavon but he looked lively and the kind of player who might thrive on Big Yann's clever flicks. BWP has done very well for us this season, but he's yet to prove his goalscoring credentials in the second tier and I do fear he'll find chances harder to come by. He's a good poacher, but for my money is too often and bit too far from Yann and a bit flat-footed when Yann is winning his flick-ons and he certainly showed no Darren Bent when it comes to being ubber-realible in a 1-on-1 situation. I'm not suggesting for a second that we should right-off BWP, but I think we need options around him in the squad and to me the key to our potential success next year will be making the very most of Kermorgant's smart hold up play and flicks. I don't know if Beavon is the answer, but I would say we're more likely to take a punt on someone like him than spend big on a 'name' because that's the way we've done business until now.
Based on their work over the last 18 months, I trust Powell and his coaches to make good signings in the right areas.