Has scored from the half way line, a la Beckham tonight. Another player who did ok before and after joining us, but was rubbish during our dark days...
I thought he was very good for us, shame about the rest of the team. It was an era when most thought the midfielders were ok doing feck all, but the defence going one on one all the time was OK.
Thought he started very well for us but got worse the longer the season went on, still we got the better side of the deal selling McCarthy for a fee and getting Hudson on a free.
It would be interesting to take a census of our dark years based on this season, and see who is playing at a higher, equal and lower level. Hard with Pardew I know as he used about 50 players. I suspect most of the regulars went on to better things which points to a greater malaise.
I thought he was very good for us, shame about the rest of the team. It was an era when most thought the midfielders were ok doing feck all, but the defence going one on one all the time was OK.
I agree. He was much better than most would have you believe just thtat the rest of his teammates were crap.
McCarthy? Seriously? He was pish - I've seen oil tankers turn quicker than him. Awful player. Agree partly about Hudson - he wasn't as bad as people make out - but I'd take Cort, Morrison or Taylor over him any day of the week.
Given that Morrison has done fantastically well for us despite the Wendies saying he was shite for them and the way that both Hudson and McCarthy have fared since leaving us clearly signifies that ability is not everything.
The right motivation, a manager who believes in you, the players around you and above all the confidence that brings are clearly the determining factors to success on the pitch for most players.
Of course some players are special and that will give them an edge whoever is manager and whatever team they play in.
Given that Morrison has done fantastically well for us despite the Wendies saying he was shite for them and the way that both Hudson and McCarthy have fared since leaving us clearly signifies that ability is not everything.
The right motivation, a manager who believes in you, the players around you and above all the confidence that brings are clearly the determining factors to success on the pitch for most players.
Of course some players are special and that will give them an edge whoever is manager and whatever team they play in.
It would be interesting to take a census of our dark years based on this season, and see who is playing at a higher, equal and lower level. Hard with Pardew I know as he used about 50 players. I suspect most of the regulars went on to better things which points to a greater malaise.
That was 90% of the problem with Pardew - so many players and never, ever playing a settled side.
A player would come in, have a good game, then be dropped, next game, back in afterwards.
Or be moved to a different position, have a different guy playing alongside him the next game, suddenly have a new loanee playing alongside him....
Peiple like Hudson, McCarthy, Bougherra, Thomas, Ambrose, Iwelumo were solid Championship players but never stood much chance in those circumstances.
was hudson who we were singing about at Derby and how cack he was or was that paddy
It was Hudson. Who was it leading that chant on the bus from the pub? : - )
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It would be interesting to take a census of our dark years based on this season, and see who is playing at a higher, equal and lower level. Hard with Pardew I know as he used about 50 players. I suspect most of the regulars went on to better things which points to a greater malaise.
That was 90% of the problem with Pardew - so many players and never, ever playing a settled side.
A player would come in, have a good game, then be dropped, next game, back in afterwards.
Or be moved to a different position, have a different guy playing alongside him the next game, suddenly have a new loanee playing alongside him....
Peiple like Hudson, McCarthy, Bougherra, Thomas, Ambrose, Iwelumo were solid Championship players but never stood much chance in those circumstances.
But who cares - we're back!
Very true other than McCarthy was still a limited player IMHO.
To be honest, I can't remember much about either Hudson or McCarthy and in my mind I find it hard to tease them apart. The impression I have (like for so many other players of that era) is that they might have been OK if playing next to someone better who would lead and inspire them. But there was no-one better; no-one was led and no-one was inspired. The whole team was considerably less than the sum of its parts and no-one every really did much of note to be remembered fondly. Perhaps that's what others mean when they talk of being Charltonised.
This year though we might want to redefine what it is to be Charltonised. These days it is to be instantly powered up; to have an immediate understanding of your role in the team and to be able to do it well from the off. Or perhaps that's what being Powellised is.
Agree McCarthy had the turning circle of an oil tanker (and the acceleration of a Routemaster bus). Early season matches he was often exposed.
After a long period in the stiffs, he came back to the team (after Fortune ruptured his achillees tendon?) and frequently looked the part, solid and reliable - but I can't offhand remember who partnered him, as Boughera was injured until the Plymouth away victory in early April.
Jorge Costa was no more mobile than McCarthy, but had the quick footed young Jon Fortune beside him to compensate. Playing together with the right partner at CB is the key.
When we got Darren Ward in, by which time we were already doomed in effect, him and Hudson looked fairly solid. The catastrophe was in the first half of the season when Hudson and Primus were together, poor old Linvoy was crocked and both of them were too slow. Pardew always pointed to Bougherra being sold just before the season, but word was he was aware of that in advance, who knows, but considering the number of players washing around the club it seems bizarre we only had 1 1/2 centre backs.
Agree McCarthy had the turning circle of an oil tanker (and the acceleration of a Routemaster bus). Early season matches he was often exposed.
After a long period in the stiffs, he came back to the team (after Fortune ruptured his achillees tendon?) and frequently looked the part, solid and reliable - but I can't offhand remember who partnered him, as Boughera was injured until the Plymouth away victory in early April.
Jorge Costa was no more mobile than McCarthy, but had the quick footed young Jon Fortune beside him to compensate. Playing together with the right partner at CB is the key.
Oggy! Costa and McCarthy in the same sentence!
True, "The Tank" was as slow as anyone but he read the game beautifully and sniffed out trouble before anyone else even saw it, the way he positioned himself defensively was amazing.
I liked watching Boughera, but really he was the epitome of the I've got lost footballer. Didn't care about arguing with the ref when he was 50 yards out of position, got caught out as much if not more than Mcslow and Hudson. I thought that the best time for the defence was when we got Ward, but I also thought when we got Borrowdale from QPR was the major factor. Finally we had three defenders whose main objective was to stay tight with each other, helping the cb's and meaning they didn't have to constantly challenge in the channels. Pardew had no excuse. It really isn't that hard in the champ, if the awful Derby and Coventry that season could get the right platform we had no excuse being relegated.
McCarthy proved himself to be very capable in the champ at under financed teams. Both Hudson and McCarthy were good at organising, but what can you do if your full backs think defending is to lose the ball on the half way line? Personally I'd rather have had them in the team than 90% of the players in those awful champ year.
Agree McCarthy had the turning circle of an oil tanker (and the acceleration of a Routemaster bus). Early season matches he was often exposed.
After a long period in the stiffs, he came back to the team (after Fortune ruptured his achillees tendon?) and frequently looked the part, solid and reliable - but I can't offhand remember who partnered him, as Boughera was injured until the Plymouth away victory in early April.
Jorge Costa was no more mobile than McCarthy, but had the quick footed young Jon Fortune beside him to compensate. Playing together with the right partner at CB is the key.
Oggy! Costa and McCarthy in the same sentence!
True, "The Tank" was as slow as anyone but he read the game beautifully and sniffed out trouble before anyone else even saw it, the way he positioned himself defensively was amazing.
McCarthy on the other hand.....
Great description of Costa.....yes he was slow, but boy, did he know ALL the short cuts!
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He's probably on the same level as someone like Morrison.
To be fair to him he had no defensive partner for most of the season and had a powder puff midfield in front of him but I was never a fan....
But much, much slower.
The right motivation, a manager who believes in you, the players around you and above all the confidence that brings are clearly the determining factors to success on the pitch for most players.
Of course some players are special and that will give them an edge whoever is manager and whatever team they play in.
Sure, only as bad as the players around them, but not bad -because- of the players around them. That's a total cop out.
A player would come in, have a good game, then be dropped, next game, back in afterwards.
Or be moved to a different position, have a different guy playing alongside him the next game, suddenly have a new loanee playing alongside him....
Peiple like Hudson, McCarthy, Bougherra, Thomas, Ambrose, Iwelumo were solid Championship players but never stood much chance in those circumstances.
But who cares - we're back!
A Very true other than McCarthy was still a limited player IMHO.
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mcarthy was/is pony
This year though we might want to redefine what it is to be Charltonised. These days it is to be instantly powered up; to have an immediate understanding of your role in the team and to be able to do it well from the off. Or perhaps that's what being Powellised is.
After a long period in the stiffs, he came back to the team (after Fortune ruptured his achillees tendon?) and frequently looked the part, solid and reliable - but I can't offhand remember who partnered him, as Boughera was injured until the Plymouth away victory in early April.
Jorge Costa was no more mobile than McCarthy, but had the quick footed young Jon Fortune beside him to compensate. Playing together with the right partner at CB is the key.
True, "The Tank" was as slow as anyone but he read the game beautifully and sniffed out trouble before anyone else even saw it, the way he positioned himself defensively was amazing.
McCarthy on the other hand.....
McCarthy proved himself to be very capable in the champ at under financed teams. Both Hudson and McCarthy were good at organising, but what can you do if your full backs think defending is to lose the ball on the half way line? Personally I'd rather have had them in the team than 90% of the players in those awful champ year.