But Macdonal was still in the room so he stood by and watched his mate rape a woman? Just unreal.
Whole thing is nasty beyond words but as Rothko says without being in court and hearing all the evidence it's difficult to know for sure.
McDonald doesn't seem to come out of it well at all but he was on trial for a serious event and a jury didn't feel there was enough evidence to convict.
But Macdonal was still in the room so he stood by and watched his mate rape a woman? Just unreal.
Whole thing is nasty beyond words but as Rothko says without being in court and hearing all the evidence it's difficult to know for sure.
McDonald doesn't seem to come out of it well at all but he was on trial for a serious event and a jury didn't feel there was enough evidence to convict.
no he steted he had left the room in his examination
But Macdonal was still in the room so he stood by and watched his mate rape a woman? Just unreal.
Whole thing is nasty beyond words but as Rothko says without being in court and hearing all the evidence it's difficult to know for sure.
McDonald doesn't seem to come out of it well at all but he was on trial for a serious event and a jury didn't feel there was enough evidence to convict.
no he stated he had left the room in his examination
The written Judgement will be published at some point on Monday or Tuesday, so we'll see what the thinking was of the judge in sentencing, and in the summing up
I would love to know all the details that the jury saw in this case. It seems strange on so many levels... The fact that the jury was gone for such a short time would suggest it was a pretty open and cut case to them though.
The written Judgement will be published at some point on Monday or Tuesday, so we'll see what the thinking was of the judge in sentencing, and in the summing up
That will be interesting, they both admitted to having sex with her, from the cctv footage she was drunk and in no condition to give consent, then had sex with both men, yet only one was found guilty.
It's trivial by comparison, but it poses interesting football questions, if the case hadn't been allowed to drag on so long, Evans could have been convicted months ago, and Sheff Utd would have lost by far their most important player far earlier instead of now when they are almost assured of promotion...
Can't agree with Richard J saying United acted badly on this - innocent until proven guilty, after all, not sure what they could have done differently up to this point.
Can't agree with Richard J saying United acted badly on this - innocent until proven guilty, after all, not sure what they could have done differently up to this point.
Agree. Until the guilty verdict was pronounced I would have expected nothing less than support for Evans. Now the case is over and the the facts emerge I would hope Sheff United publically condemn Evans and sack him ASAP. Hope he never gets back into football ever again.
Rapist's deserve all that's given to them. My only concern is the evidence about this. I dont know all the details, but was Evans drunk aswell? I know i've been VERY VERY drunk to the point of not remembering parts of nights, what if that was me in that position, is that rape if BOTH parties are heavily drunk.
I must admit I do find the rape law very strange. If the wording above is correct, then if two people both get equally hammered and the girls gives oral to the guy, whether he wants it or not, then he has raped her. That just doesn't sound right. If both are equally unable to give consent then why is one a criminal and the other a victim? It smacks of a Victorian view of women not liking or wanting sex and all men being sexual predators.
The problem with this as well is that there is a view held by some of there being real rape and drunken sex where the woman regrets it and cries rape. This is why there is a shockingly low prosecution rate for rape cases, which leads to many genuine rapists being found innocent or the CPS not even taking the case to court as they don't feel they have a realistic chance of securing a prosecution.
Sheffield United - Statement Posted on: Fri 20 Apr 2012
Sheffield United Football Club has today learned of the verdict in the trial of Ched Evans at Caernarfon Crown Court. The Club recognises the seriousness of these events and as such wishes to respond in a responsible way when it has taken sufficient time to consider the matter fully.
The Club is aware of the statement issued by the legal team representing Ched, which is printed below. This is not a statement from, or in co-operation with, SUFC but an independently issued statement from the Brabners Chaffe Street Law Firm, representing Ched.
Statement on behalf of Ched Evans
Ched Evans is shocked and extremely disappointed with the decision reached today by the Jury at Caernarfon Crown Court to convict him of the charge brought against him.
Mr Evans firmly maintains his innocence in this matter and is being advised regarding an appeal of the decision.
No further comment will be made whilst the legal process is ongoing.
20th April 2012 Brabners Chaffe Street LLP
End
In the interim period no-one will be available from Sheffield United to make any further comment.
Difficult one for then now too if he appeals - sack him now or wait for an appeal that could be successful?
I think I'm right in saying that his contract is up at the end of the season, and he obviously won't play in their last 3 games so it could very well just be a case of them taking a moral stance on it one way or the other to protect their image.
The club won't tear up his contract until they're sure that he's going down. They are a business and he's their best asset. Can you imagine them sacking him today, only for the conviction to be over-turned on appeal, leaving him to walk away for nothing and maybe even claiming compensation for unfair dismissal?
Also find it strange that McDonald got off. Would have thought he would have least charged with aiding & abetting or failing to stop Evans.
As for whether or not Evans was drunk, speaking from my own perspective, to force myself on a woman and not know what I was doing, I'd have to be so hammered that my little fella wouldn't be able to rise to the occasion if it wanted to.
Henry, you're right but the verdict means she WAS in a fit state to consent (after all she accused both, not just Evans).
Therefore the jury's verdict means there was sufficient evidence beyond reasonable doubt that she DID consent to McDonald (see above) but DIDN'T consent to Evans. If the evidence presented (or at least as reported) is sufficient then I'm a Palace fan.
According to the Judge and numerous news outlets, "his career is over" - Seems very unlikely to me.
In 30 months the story will largely be forgotten, he'll get in shape, a club will pick him up on a free. Hell, he might still have the best years ahead of him (at club level at least, hard to believe he'll ever play for Wales again).
He'll be 28 when he completes the full sentence - does anyone know if he will be allowed to play when on parole? From there it's just a question of what level he comes back to.
And just like Lee Hughes, you'll wonder how the victims are feeling every single time you see him score.
The club won't tear up his contract until they're sure that he's going down. They are a business and he's their best asset. Can you imagine them sacking him today, only for the conviction to be over-turned on appeal, leaving him to walk away for nothing and maybe even claiming compensation for unfair dismissal?
Also find it strange that McDonald got off. Would have thought he would have least charged with aiding & abetting or failing to stop Evans.
As for whether or not Evans was drunk, speaking from my own perspective, to force myself on a woman and not know what I was doing, I'd have to be so hammered that my little fella wouldn't be able to rise to the occasion if it wanted to.
I take on board what you're saying but he is going down, tonight. It would be a significant statement by the club to 'claim' a miscarriage of justice and back him in the appeal. To back their employee until proven guilty is one thing but to back him in the face of a guilty verdict is something else entirely.
I haven't read the details of the case but, like NYA, I was a little surprised that one got off and one didn't. The reports that Evans was holding his head in his hands and crying after McDonald was acquitted suggests that he knew what was coming.
If Evans is still under contract, or if his age ensures some development fee, then it could be an expensive decision if he is acquitted in an appeal.
I wouldn't want to be responsible for making that decision if I were at Sheffield United. This could go horribly wrong for them. What ever you say about the player the club haven't done anything to deserve this situation to be thrust upon them.
This sounded like an awful crime, I hope the jury was right and justice has been done. TBH I cant see it being an incorrect verdict because they filmed it, admitted the act but denied the young lady was incapable of consent.
If he behaves he will be 26 when he gets out, I would not like to see him playing professional football again.
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Money never can by class but sometimes it BUYS justice, in this case it didnt.
Feel sorry for both families --shame and anger must be unbearable.
McDonald doesn't seem to come out of it well at all but he was on trial for a serious event and a jury didn't feel there was enough evidence to convict.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/five-years-for-sheffield-united-and-wales-footballer-rapist-ched-evans-7665609.html The whole case is confusing, they both had sex with her, the judge says she was too drunk to give consent, so why was McDonald acquitted?
It's trivial by comparison, but it poses interesting football questions, if the case hadn't been allowed to drag on so long, Evans could have been convicted months ago, and Sheff Utd would have lost by far their most important player far earlier instead of now when they are almost assured of promotion...
I dont know all the details, but was Evans drunk aswell?
I know i've been VERY VERY drunk to the point of not remembering parts of nights, what if that was me in that position, is that rape if BOTH parties are heavily drunk.
One to think on.
Victorian view of women not liking or wanting sex and all men being sexual predators.
The problem with this as well is that there is a view held by some of there being real rape and drunken sex where the woman regrets it and cries rape. This is why there is a shockingly low prosecution rate for rape cases, which leads to many genuine rapists being found innocent or the CPS not even taking the case to court as they don't feel they have a realistic chance of securing a prosecution.
They're going to make a decision and will let us know when they have.
Posted on: Fri 20 Apr 2012
Sheffield United Football Club has today learned of the verdict in the trial of Ched Evans at Caernarfon Crown Court. The Club recognises the seriousness of these events and as such wishes to respond in a responsible way when it has taken sufficient time to consider the matter fully.
The Club is aware of the statement issued by the legal team representing Ched, which is printed below. This is not a statement from, or in co-operation with, SUFC but an independently issued statement from the Brabners Chaffe Street Law Firm, representing Ched.
Statement on behalf of Ched Evans
Ched Evans is shocked and extremely disappointed with the decision reached today by the Jury at Caernarfon Crown Court to convict him of the charge brought against him.
Mr Evans firmly maintains his innocence in this matter and is being advised regarding an appeal of the decision.
No further comment will be made whilst the legal process is ongoing.
20th April 2012
Brabners Chaffe Street LLP
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In the interim period no-one will be available from Sheffield United to make any further comment.
I think I'm right in saying that his contract is up at the end of the season, and he obviously won't play in their last 3 games so it could very well just be a case of them taking a moral stance on it one way or the other to protect their image.
I'd sack him, though.
Also find it strange that McDonald got off. Would have thought he would have least charged with aiding & abetting or failing to stop Evans.
As for whether or not Evans was drunk, speaking from my own perspective, to force myself on a woman and not know what I was doing, I'd have to be so hammered that my little fella wouldn't be able to rise to the occasion if it wanted to.
The judge should have guide the jury to either convicting or acquitting both.
I wasn't there so I don't know but don't see why it HAS to be both or neither.
Therefore the jury's verdict means there was sufficient evidence beyond reasonable doubt that she DID consent to McDonald (see above) but DIDN'T consent to Evans. If the evidence presented (or at least as reported) is sufficient then I'm a Palace fan.
In 30 months the story will largely be forgotten, he'll get in shape, a club will pick him up on a free. Hell, he might still have the best years ahead of him (at club level at least, hard to believe he'll ever play for Wales again).
He'll be 28 when he completes the full sentence - does anyone know if he will be allowed to play when on parole? From there it's just a question of what level he comes back to.
And just like Lee Hughes, you'll wonder how the victims are feeling every single time you see him score.
I haven't read the details of the case but, like NYA, I was a little surprised that one got off and one didn't. The reports that Evans was holding his head in his hands and crying after McDonald was acquitted suggests that he knew what was coming.
If Evans is still under contract, or if his age ensures some development fee, then it could be an expensive decision if he is acquitted in an appeal.
I wouldn't want to be responsible for making that decision if I were at Sheffield United. This could go horribly wrong for them. What ever you say about the player the club haven't done anything to deserve this situation to be thrust upon them.
If he behaves he will be 26 when he gets out, I would not like to see him playing professional football again.