The London 'Big Club' Ranking List

Folev the red

Got told today by a Fulham fan that they are a "bigger" club than us. I told him that I'm not a fan of this whole who's bigger than who argument, it means nothing and often has little resemblance to League standings.
Then however, he told me that Millwall are "bigger" than us, as their name is known more across the world.

So then i decided to give him my order of 'biggest' london clubs, much to his disgust.

1.Arsenal
2.Spurs
3.Chelsea
4.West ham
5.Charlton
6.QPR
7.Palace
8.Fulham
9.Millwall
10.Brentford
11.Orient
12.Wombles
13.Barnet
14.Dagenham

Admittedly, i don't think there's much between us, Qpr and Palace, but put us above them two because he was pissing me off.
So just how wrong have i got this pointless list of mostly pointless clubs.

C_A_F_C

There's a big gap between the top 4 and the rest, us and QPR are the biggest of the rest. Millwall have only spent about 3 seasons in the top flight havent they?

LargeAddick

There's a big gap between the top 4 and the rest, us and QPR are the biggest of the rest. Millwall have only spent about 3 seasons in the top flight havent they?

Thought it was only one.

Plaaayer

Here we go again.

paulsturgess

2 I believe

paulsturgess

Yeh mightve only been one actually. They came down with us

jimmymelrose

There's a big gap between the top 4 and the rest, us and QPR are the biggest of the rest. Millwall have only spent about 3 seasons in the top flight havent they?

2 seasons. On which count Brentford must come above them.

And haven't Wimbledon won the FA Cup? Or was that MKMorons?

As for Top 4, I disagree. I don't think West Ham can be put in the same bracket as the other 3, although they probably should come 4th (if you see what I mean)

Addickforlife

What criteria do people look at when deciding whos 'bigger'?

jimmymelrose

Millwall finished tenth in 1989 and then got relegated with us in 1990. 2 seasons.

SilentAddick

What criteria do people look at when deciding whos 'bigger'?

This.. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/all-time-table/full

jimmymelrose

What criteria do people look at when deciding whos 'bigger'?

Brentford on the other hand finished 5th, 6th and 6th again in the 30s

Criteria like these

sam3110

What criteria do people look at when deciding whos 'bigger'?

Amount of years in top flight, amount of fans across history, amount of trophies, current position in football and the facilities each club has. Combining all of that I would place Arsenal top, then Spuds and Chelsea, West Ham would sit below these 3 but above us, then Palace, QPR, Fulham (only because of recent success, the tinpot mutes) Millwall, Brentford, Leyton Orient, Barnet, Dagenham then AFC Wombles (I'm not counting the original Wimbledon years)

C_A_F_C

What criteria do people look at when deciding whos 'bigger'?

Fanbase + Past Success i suppose

In fairness Millwall do have a good fanbase for a club that hasnt had that much success.

paulsturgess

I think AFC Wimbledon should count as the original Wimbledon - surely most of their supporters are passed on. In which case they would come in behind Fulham, above scumwall.

Richard J

I've posted this before ,but I think it is more fluid than Folev describes so I have tried to cluster them.
I agree with Jimmy Melrose in that West Ham are not on the same level as the top three but they are 'bigger' than the next cluster.

The Spanners with their two seasons and Cup Final appearance puts them above Brentford and Leyton Orient but below us ,Pa;ace ,Fulham and QPR.

Arsenal
Chelsea and Spurs
West Ham
Charlton Crystal Palace Fulham QPR
Spanners
Brentford , Leyton Orient
Wombles
Barnet , Daggers

Folev the red

Richard J is right with his clusters in my opinion, the hardest thing is ranking those clusters.

ThanetAddick

http://web.comhem.se/norre/football_map.gif Probably a load of bull but accurate in some areas
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Bangkokaddick

Deja vu.

And who cares anyway!

coltsgoalie

who the hell are glossop north end?

Friend Or Defoe

I would have it based solely on attendance and therefore would probably swap us and QPR.

It's very strange for people to open this thread and then tell us that they don't care.

charltonkeston

Fulham have about 150 games in hand over us

Macronate

Charlton=Kent.

ISawLeaburnScore

Richard pretty much spot on in my opinion. Dont think we are outright above qpr and fulham in the last few seasons have guaranteed being at least level with us unfortunately.

charlton_hero

MK Dons don't claim any of Wimbledons past achievements, so AFC Wimbledon should be much higher on that list.

nolly

Sadly no one can claim Wimbledons past achievements

charlton_hero

Charlton=Kent.

Palace = Surrey

Southendaddick

Think your list is pretty much spot on Folev although if it wasnt for Ambramovich I would have West Ham above Chelsea, they definitely have a bigger support in my opinion.

Salad

if you looked post-war with D1, D2, D3 being #years spent in top 3 divisions,
"A" is average league attendance (in hundreds),
"W" is number of times won the league, FA Cup, or a European trophy,
with "C" being the number of League Cups won
... you could score each club something like ..... "(4xD1) + (2xD2) + D3 + A + 10W + 3C"

Could take a lot of time to research!

RodneyCharltonTrotta

Never really understood this debate.

"The Venue" is probably one of the biggest clubs in London but doesnt mean it's the best (although it's up there ;-) )

Bexley Dan

I'd put us as the 5th biggest club in London, all things considered, with QPR snapping at our heals.

CrayAddick

Charlton=Kent.

Palace = Surrey

Charlton = Kent? You what? Because we attract support further than Penge. You two bob note, your fans only turn up when it's a big game, which is once a decade. Look at your average gate, it's pathetic.

Palace I would put on par with millsmall.