Ending threads early

legaladdick

This is not a criticism of the administrators - far from it. They have a really difficult job to do and they allow a good deal of latitude to posters even when emotions run high.  So it is disappointing when, as in the case of the verdict on the Stephen Lawrence case, the thread is closed because of comments made which are possibly libellous or at the very least will generate more heat than light by bringing in other allegations which are not connected.write what they please
One of the great values of this site has been the open discussion from opposite sides of an argument but posters must realise that if this site is to retain its validity as one which permits healthy debate, they cannot simply write whatsoever they please. If that happens the administrators close the thread and if we aren't careful we will end up with bland threads and support will disappear. So please be robust but temper your posts with respect for those who value keeping this forum open.

Robbo on the wing

So do we run it by you first then?

So it is disappointing when, as in the case of the verdict on the Stephen Lawrence case, the thread is closed because of comments made which are possibly libellous or at the very least will generate more heat than light by bringing in other allegations which are not connected.write what they please
One of the great values of this site has been the open discussion from opposite sides of an argument but posters must realise that if this site is to retain its validity as one which permits healthy debate, they cannot simply write whatsoever they please.

LenGlover

This is not a criticism of the administrators - far from it. They have a really difficult job to do and they allow a good deal of latitude to posters even when emotions run high.  So it is disappointing when, as in the case of the verdict on the Stephen Lawrence case, the thread is closed because of comments made which are possibly libellous or at the very least will generate more heat than light by bringing in other allegations which are not connected.write what they please
One of the great values of this site has been the open discussion from opposite sides of an argument but posters must realise that if this site is to retain its validity as one which permits healthy debate, they cannot simply write whatsoever they please. If that happens the administrators close the thread and if we aren't careful we will end up with bland threads and support will disappear. So please be robust but temper your posts with respect for those who value keeping this forum open.

I share your desire for open debate in a spirit of mutual respect.

The specific case you refer to does generate questions as well as answers however.

My opinion is that the original thread should have discussed exclusively the matter in hand with a separate thread considering any broader issues arising.

Bermuda_red

I agree totally with you LG re: taking threads away from subject matter.  Think this has been discused in the past. Also agree with admin for shutting Stephen Lawrence thread down.  Shame,  given the huge impact it has had on our society and to a lesser extent the geographical proximity to Charlton and where a lot of us grew up. 

I find the non football threads interesting as you find out more about your fellow C-Lifers. We all share one thing in common re: football, but when it comes to other aspects of life we all differ hugely.  I find those threads help me to filter various lifers input.  Who to ignore etc. Maybe sometimes it might help if folk ignored some of the more outrageous/provocative remarks.   

 

 

Bedsaddick

This is not a criticism of the administrators - far from it. They have a really difficult job to do and they allow a good deal of latitude to posters even when emotions run high.  So it is disappointing when, as in the case of the verdict on the Stephen Lawrence case, the thread is closed because of comments made which are possibly libellous or at the very least will generate more heat than light by bringing in other allegations which are not connected.write what they please
One of the great values of this site has been the open discussion from opposite sides of an argument but posters must realise that if this site is to retain its validity as one which permits healthy debate, they cannot simply write whatsoever they please. If that happens the administrators close the thread and if we aren't careful we will end up with bland threads and support will disappear. So please be robust but temper your posts with respect for those who value keeping this forum open.

Those kind of threads very rarely get to a second page. I called it a few messages in.

SE10

I thought it was an alright thread. A comment was made which some agrreed with while others debared it. No abuse or anything.

legaladdick

Robbo I assume you are deliberately being mischievous. I am sure we all want good debates but ranting which results in the closing of a thread on a topic upon which many would wish to contribute doesn't help anyone. And just to answer your question - no. It is up to the posters to recognise the legitimate boundaries and regrettably on that specific thread it clearly didn't happen because the thread was closed.

SE10

Out of interest which comments were libellous in that thread seeing as your more itk about legal issues than me.

Saga Lout

I agree totally with you LG re: taking threads away from subject matter.  Think this has been discused in the past. Also agree with admin for shutting Stephen Lawrence thread down.  Shame,  given the huge impact it has had on our society and to a lesser extent the geographical proximity to Charlton and where a lot of us grew up. 

I find the non football threads interesting as you find out more about your fellow C-Lifers. We all share one thing in common re: football, but when it comes to other aspects of life we all differ hugely.  I find those threads help me to filter various lifers input.  Who to ignore etc. Maybe sometimes it might help if folk ignored some of the more outrageous/provocative remarks.   

 

 

You and I can ignore the outrageous/provocative remarks but the administrators cannot - there is a legal aspect to this.

legaladdick

SE10 asks what which comments were libellous which is surprising as he made a comment about a 'rapist' which seemed to refer to a person who had been charged with rape but the prosecution then dropped it.  As the person was never convicted, to allege that they are a 'rapist' is defamatory (and as it is printed this is libel.) No charge for this legal advice in the spirit of goodwill:-)

Bedsaddick

The big question is - Is the "ending threads early" thread going to be ended early?!  

Addickted4life

The big question is - Is the "ending threads early" thread going to be ended early?!  

I hope it is.

Robbo on the wing

LG.

My point being is that the intellect of each individual differs greatly.

This in turn will not always allow for a discussion to pan out as you may wish.

BTW. What does 403 Forbidden nginx/0.7.65 mean (unable to quote).

Sparrows Lane Lion

The person who could be 'accused' could bring his libel case against the accuser in court...which may mean more is revealed. I don't think in this hypothetical instance either would do...

LenGlover

LG.

My point being is that the intellect of each individual differs greatly.

This in turn will not always allow for a discussion to pan out as you may wish.

BTW. What does 403 Forbidden nginx/0.7.65 mean (unable to quote).

You don't have to be Einstein to show a bit of courtesy to fellow posters and the points raised even if you disagree with them.

That said  some of the most intelligent posters on here are also the most ill mannered at times in my humble opinion!

DickVanDykesDiscoDog

Any thread on White on black crime will always result in responses asking us to remember countless black on White crime that have not been treated in the same way
Pains me to say it but there is a lot of racist opinion on here on any thread involving elements of race seems to result in some very odd opinions being raised - and as a result some threads prematurely closed

bingaddick

I am all for freedom of speech but I am not surprised the thread was closed. 1seem to recall an earlier one which strayed onto dodgy territory in relation to Stephen Lawrence. Moderators - especially on a voluntary site like this have a really challenging role to perform - light touch but watching for potential libellous or inappropriate posts to break out.

lolwray

well posted LA

The Lawrence murder itself was a terrible racist crime and perpetuated by the police .Its a great shame that it took such a situation to expose such wrongs.LA will be able to articulate things better than me but there is a big difference in Law when it is proven someone is killed /assaulted/attacked because of their skin colour which obviously happened .I hope they, all the killers get their come uppance and suffer the torture of their consciences for eternity.

I think SE10 probably Posts as someone like me a white mid 50 s working class lad who sometimes wonders why our parents/grandparents sacrificed so much for our freedoms to see those freedoms manipulated by political correctness ,the human rights act,lack of common sense and EEC Law but thats a different thread that i suspect will be closed after 4 posts!

SparrowsLane

I'm a late 40s white working class man. I often read/hear that my freedom is being attacked by liberal political correctness but I have never worked out how. I don't feel any less free than I did before. I must be missing something because I like a good moan

Leroy Ambrose

I'm a late 40s white working class man. I often read/hear that my freedom is being attacked by liberal political correctness but I have never worked out how. I don't feel any less free than I did before. I must be missing something because I like a good moan

Nobody likes a good moan more than me, but I must have missed that too )

Friend Or Defoe

Football's more interesting! ;-)

stilladdicted

Football's more interesting! ;-)

They're managing to spoil that one as well!  I was really a bit upset about the Stephen Lawrence thread. I had posted in a psoitive spirit of welcoming what might be closure for Doreen and Duwayne, or at least the start of the closing process. What I said was then hi-jacked by an unreconstructed racist. Enough is enough, the nasty brigade is very welcome to resume its litany of hate without any further objection from me.

JiMMy 85

I find the non football threads interesting as you find out more about your fellow C-Lifers. We all share one thing in common re: football, but when it comes to other aspects of life we all differ hugely.  I find those threads help me to filter various lifers input.  Who to ignore etc. Maybe sometimes it might help if folk ignored some of the more outrageous/provocative remarks.   

Indeed! I just went back through the thread and caught up with all this - I now know at least two people on the forum I don't want to have to speak to in any capacity. Sometimes it's worth debating, but other times... sad as it is, there's little or no point. Alas, as spot on as LegalAddick is, I don't think the people who really need to take heed will or can.

iainment

I'm totally with stilladdicted and JiMMy 85 on this.

 

There are some on here who have no shame.

nth_london_addick

It wont take long for this one to vanish as well

 

 

you know who you mean when you say that guys but now they will respond and another half decent attempt for adult discussion will go

 

gilbertfilbert

I'm totally with stilladdicted and JiMMy 85 on this.

 

There are some on here who have no shame.

Well put.  Some of what was said on the other thread was utterly disgraceful.

JiMMy 85

you know who you mean when you say that guys but now they will respond and another half decent attempt for adult discussion will go

That could well be true NLA, but that's certainly not the intention. But it is at the crux of the discussion hence why it's worth posting about.

nth_london_addick

I agree mate but all that will happen is someone will come on and spout that they were not this they werre not that, an argument will ensue and this one will go,

 

sometimes its better to say nowt and maintain the topic if you get my drift

JiMMy 85

Drift spotted and taken on board. I'm kinda hopeful that they're not that self aware...

I'll shut up now.

SE10

Don't know whats happened with the quoting here but just read the thread again, And I asked a valid question which no one really awnsered properly just little jibes from some.

Apparently, I made a libellous comment calling someone a rapist. Is that any different to Still Addicted calling someone a racist which can guarantee won't be pulled up.

LenGlover

Don't know whats happened with the quoting here but just read the thread again, And I asked a valid question which no one really awnsered properly just little jibes from some.

Apparently, I made a libellous comment calling someone a rapist. Is that any different to Still Addicted calling someone a racist which can guarantee won't be pulled up.

What was said to you shouldn't have been said in my opinion but equally you were wrong in posting such an allegation where you did.