Morrisons are opening a supermarket in Salford, they pledged to employ a certain percentage of local people. This they have done and the school leavers amongst them have been sent to school to learn the basics so that they can work.
So is it the kids or the parents or the schools that are to blame.
with the 'real' figure being closer to eight million.
What a load of old bollocks. And you have a go at the 'Tory press' for peddling falsehoods and propoganda.
I'd guarantee you 1million of the unemployed figure, either don't want to work, can't be arsed to work when they can survive on benefits or are unemployable for various reasons from illeteracy through to criminal records.
What's 'bollocks' about it? The only 'bollocks' in there is your 'guarantee' - which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on.
The 'real' unemployment rate is the figure of those who are economically inactive despite being of working age. This is the 'actual' rate that people who aren't interested in massaging economic statistics use as a marker for the validity of a country's economy. That figure is at, or in excess of 8 million.
When the economy starts moving in the right direction which is going to be anybody's guess. With people scared for their jobs and those that keep them facing wage squeezes and cuts with Petrol, public transport and utilities at silly money and you cant see the consumer spending his way out. Government missed a trick by not alligning growth with cuts in the beginning - the more you grow, the easier to cut but you cut and don't grow you make things worse!!!!
Just how much higher will the unemployment figures get ? Given the economic outlook I can see them hitting at least 5 million. Lots of very knowledgable posters on here and I would be fascinated to read what CL thinks.
I'll qualify my reason for posting and its not to instigate another political slanging match as enjoyable as that is. I have living with me my newly married daughter and son in law both early twenties and currently both in employment with decent prospects. Given the latest figures and particularly unemployment in the under twenty fours I am worried that if things get a lot worst it could actually pull me under. My job is about as safe as it gets but my salary is already stretched and not getting better any time soon.
Understand your view , but in my view Unemployment will get worse especially in the Public Sector,and do not hold your breath for the private sector to come to the rescue,that is a load of old fanny.
Just how much higher will the unemployment figures get ? Given the economic outlook I can see them hitting at least 5 million. Lots of very knowledgable posters on here and I would be fascinated to read what CL thinks.
I'll qualify my reason for posting and its not to instigate another political slanging match as enjoyable as that is. I have living with me my newly married daughter and son in law both early twenties and currently both in employment with decent prospects. Given the latest figures and particularly unemployment in the under twenty fours I am worried that if things get a lot worst it could actually pull me under. My job is about as safe as it gets but my salary is already stretched and not getting better any time soon.
Understand your view , but in my view Unemployment will get worse especially in the Public Sector,and do not hold your breath for the private sector to come to the rescue,that is a load of old fanny.
Please don't think I was trying to be smug about my "safe" employment status but I work as a radiographer who plans peoples radiotherapy treatment and there is still a shortfall nationally of people like me. We advertise for a NHS band seven radiographer attracting a salary of 40k at top of band and there is nobody out there. People just don't want to train for three years to do my job.
with the 'real' figure being closer to eight million.
What a load of old bollocks. And you have a go at the 'Tory press' for peddling falsehoods and propoganda.
I'd guarantee you 1million of the unemployed figure, either don't want to work, can't be arsed to work when they can survive on benefits or are unemployable for various reasons from illeteracy through to criminal records.
What's 'bollocks' about it? The only 'bollocks' in there is your 'guarantee' - which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on.
The 'real' unemployment rate is the figure of those who are economically inactive despite being of working age. This is the 'actual' rate that people who aren't interested in massaging economic statistics use as a marker for the validity of a country's economy. That figure is at, or in excess of 8 million.
Economically inactive? So they don't buy anything, sell anything, pay any kind of taxes? Nearly 6 million people in the UK? Your living in pixie land if you believe that.
The UNEMPLOYMENT figure of 2.64 million is those ACTIVELY looking for work. How else are you supposed to calculate it?
with the 'real' figure being closer to eight million.
What a load of old bollocks. And you have a go at the 'Tory press' for peddling falsehoods and propoganda.
I'd guarantee you 1million of the unemployed figure, either don't want to work, can't be arsed to work when they can survive on benefits or are unemployable for various reasons from illeteracy through to criminal records.
What's 'bollocks' about it? The only 'bollocks' in there is your 'guarantee' - which isn't worth the paper it's not printed on.
The 'real' unemployment rate is the figure of those who are economically inactive despite being of working age. This is the 'actual' rate that people who aren't interested in massaging economic statistics use as a marker for the validity of a country's economy. That figure is at, or in excess of 8 million.
Economically inactive? So they don't buy anything, sell anything, pay any kind of taxes? Nearly 6 million people in the UK? Your living in pixie land if you believe that.
The UNEMPLOYMENT figure of 2.64 million is those ACTIVELY looking for work. How else are you supposed to calculate it?
You're being disingenuous. That isn't what 'economically inactive' means and you know it. A succession of governments (both Tory and Labour) have 'massaged' unemployment statistics in various ways so that the 'actual' figure of people who are of working age who aren't in full-time employment and who maintain subsistence from another source (either benefits, sickness payments, other state/charity handout or via a spouse because of the lack of affordable childcare) bears little resemblance to the 'official' unemployment figure of those claiming unemployment benefit. A perfect example of this is the number of people claiming incapacity benefit as 'unable to work' (which doesn't count to 'official' unemployment statistics). Incapacity benefit has long been seen as a bit of a running joke amongst statisticians interested enough in the subject to give it serious thought - successive administrations have ensured that the number of people removed from the unemployment list and put on incapacity benefit has grown exponentially (currently over 4% of the working-age population)
Add to this the number of 'forced' part-time workers (currently over 1 million on reduced hours due to an inability to find full-time work) and those mothers/fathers who would like to work but find it actually works out better financially for them not to do so (again not recorded on the official statistics), students and unpaid carers, and you begin to get a true picture of just how gerrymandered the unemployment statistics are.
Oh, and - forgive the irony here - Check out the 'Tory Press' for the 8 million figure:
So 4% of the working population are unable to work due to some form on incapacity? Not unemployed then, just unable to work.
1 million part time workers, all want to work full time? It's the 21st Century - it's called flexible working and all the part time workers I know are more than happy with this working arrangement - mind you I don't know all the 1 million of them like you clearly do.
It should never be better financially not to work than gain paid employment - if successive Governments can't work that one out then more fool them. I do believe the current incumbents are trying to resolve this by initially reducing benefits for the first few months?
Students are just that - studying. I suspect the vast majority of them support their studies by getting some form of part time employment - I just wish my daughter was one of them!
Unpaid carers - again you can't consider them as unemployed as they are not looking for work. They do get paid a carers allowance (yes I know it's a pittance), but the person they care for also gets an allowance, which can be passed ontot the carer. Again they are not looking for work,so are not unemployed.
Unpaid carers - again you can't consider them as unemployed as they are not looking for work. They do get paid a carers allowance (yes I know it's a pittance), but the person they care for also gets an allowance, which can be passed ontot the carer. Again they are not looking for work,so are not unemployed.
Both the carers and cared fors allowances are both scandalously low so not many if any cared for are able to pass on anything. They survive.
I liked Leroy's post - just wish I knew what ennui means!
It has puzzled me that older people are being expected to work longer whilst there are shocking statistics regarding the level of unemployed young people. This must be addressed, but I don't see any sign that it will be anytime soon.
Of course, the concept of people working longer doesn't meet with the reality - what it really means is a delay in getting the state pension. Eventually the jobs pushing trolley's round ASDA car parks will run out - then where will all the older folks work?!
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So is it the kids or the parents or the schools that are to blame.
The 'real' unemployment rate is the figure of those who are economically inactive despite being of working age. This is the 'actual' rate that people who aren't interested in massaging economic statistics use as a marker for the validity of a country's economy. That figure is at, or in excess of 8 million.
Understand your view , but in my view Unemployment will get worse especially in the Public Sector,and do not hold your breath for the private sector to come to the rescue,that is a load of old fanny.
Please don't think I was trying to be smug about my "safe" employment status but I work as a radiographer who plans peoples radiotherapy treatment and there is still a shortfall nationally of people like me. We advertise for a NHS band seven radiographer attracting a salary of 40k at top of band and there is nobody out there. People just don't want to train for three years to do my job.
Economically inactive? So they don't buy anything, sell anything, pay any kind of taxes? Nearly 6 million people in the UK? Your living in pixie land if you believe that.
The UNEMPLOYMENT figure of 2.64 million is those ACTIVELY looking for work. How else are you supposed to calculate it?
Add to this the number of 'forced' part-time workers (currently over 1 million on reduced hours due to an inability to find full-time work) and those mothers/fathers who would like to work but find it actually works out better financially for them not to do so (again not recorded on the official statistics), students and unpaid carers, and you begin to get a true picture of just how gerrymandered the unemployment statistics are.
Oh, and - forgive the irony here - Check out the 'Tory Press' for the 8 million figure:
http://tgr.ph/sE4ASb
http://bit.ly/cX6hGu
These figures are from 2010 - the picture is now significantly worse
So 4% of the working population are unable to work due to some form on incapacity? Not unemployed then, just unable to work.
1 million part time workers, all want to work full time? It's the 21st Century - it's called flexible working and all the part time workers I know are more than happy with this working arrangement - mind you I don't know all the 1 million of them like you clearly do.
It should never be better financially not to work than gain paid employment - if successive Governments can't work that one out then more fool them. I do believe the current incumbents are trying to resolve this by initially reducing benefits for the first few months?
Students are just that - studying. I suspect the vast majority of them support their studies by getting some form of part time employment - I just wish my daughter was one of them!
Unpaid carers - again you can't consider them as unemployed as they are not looking for work. They do get paid a carers allowance (yes I know it's a pittance), but the person they care for also gets an allowance, which can be passed ontot the carer. Again they are not looking for work,so are not unemployed.
Both the carers and cared fors allowances are both scandalously low so not many if any cared for are able to pass on anything. They survive.
I liked Leroy's post - just wish I knew what ennui means!
It has puzzled me that older people are being expected to work longer whilst there are shocking statistics regarding the level of unemployed young people. This must be addressed, but I don't see any sign that it will be anytime soon.
Of course, the concept of people working longer doesn't meet with the reality - what it really means is a delay in getting the state pension. Eventually the jobs pushing trolley's round ASDA car parks will run out - then where will all the older folks work?!