Glad I'm not the only one who sees the sense in this.
Cort is experienced but Mambo is potential.
The Jenkinson analogy does stand when you compare Jenks this time last year when he had never played league football with Mambo now.
We can't say how good Mambo will turn out but CP clearly sees some potential and has a plan to develop him. One of the stated advantages is that Ebbsfleet are part time so Yado can still spend time at Sparrows Lane.
Clearly as a number have already said, Mambo has potential but Cort is an experienced player. If we were strapped for cash, maybe Mambo would be thrown in. Giving him more development time seems a great idea to me.
Mambo could become a good player - what's the point? There is every point. If he doesn't make it, it won't prove you right - what Charlton are doing is giving him every chance - if he takes his opportunity we win. Can't see where you're coming from, we are not talking about a 30 year old here.
What was the point in giving him another year on his contract?
Are we making a profit from loaning him out? .. unlikely
WHY bring in Cort on loan and then lend out Mambo.
If he were 25 it would be pointless, but as a young product of the club we may still get a development fee if he goes at the end of the year.
Also there's a massive assumption in your initial post. 1. That we're paying Cort's full wage and 2. That he would have signed a deal with us that suited our board - maybe he wanted a longer contract or more cash than we'd pony up.
I don't understand the problem here. Mambo isn't good enough for this level, but he was given a contract based on Powell's view that he has potential. He's sending him out on loan to play first team football and see if he looks like improving up to first team level. If so he extends the contract, if not he's released. Cort is there because he has the ability right now which is what a promotion side needs. I imagine Cort wasn't our first choice back up defender but on missing out on signing some targets permanently we moved for a year's loan.
If one of our CB's got injured in training who would you choose to replace him - Cort or Mambo?
It has to be Cort. So Mambo is going to play a few friendlies and the odd League cup match, meaning that when his contract is up he won't have progressed much beyond where he is now. Let him have some proper first XI experience albeit at alower level and the experience will improve him, and if he can't take the chance then we know he won't make it a higher level.
Okay, time for some controversy...................
I'm going to put my neck on the line and say Mambo will not make it as a 1st teamer with Charlton. Just really don't see a championship level player in him either now or in the future. I thought he was very fortunate to get a contract this summer and has to be seen as his last chance. If the club rated him highly and saw the potential, then surely he would have been tied up on a 2 - 3 yr contract like all the others were. He instead got a 1 year deal. His contract was more out of hope than expectation I feel.
Yes, he played well against Reading once Doc got hold of him and puppy walked him through the game. Please, nobody take this as me slating him and wanting him to fail, because that's not the case. I would love to see him succeed with us and become a rock in our defence, just can't see it myself.
you make a lot of good points. Doherty, love or loath him strikes me as a good man to have as a mentor for an uncertain perhaps shy young pro. Mambo would learn a lot from him. Mambo will learn sweet nuthings at G & N. The 1 year contract? I make you right, so why did Powell bother .. as has been mooted elsewhere perhaps he was finding it impossible to get the right central defender, though I am sure Cort would have come for the right deal .. so now we have to pay Mambo's wages and pay Cort as well. The owners may be made of the stuff but surely that is a waste of good old solid cash. I maintain that Mambo, given the right treatment and encouargement could be a player. Alas, now we may never know .. remember Turner?
I maintain that Mambo, given the right treatment and encouargement could be a player. Alas, now we may never know .. remember Turner?
Absolutely & he's more likely to develop playing weekly elsewhere than not playing for Charlton. You're quite right about Turner as well. He was going nowhere with us, so moved to a lower level team & then finally ended up in The Prem.
If one of our CB's got injured in training who would you choose to replace him - Cort or Mambo?
It has to be Cort. So Mambo is going to play a few friendlies and the odd League cup match, meaning that when his contract is up he won't have progressed much beyond where he is now. Let him have some proper first XI experience albeit at alower level and the experience will improve him, and if he can't take the chance then we know he won't make it a higher level.
Doherty would be my choice, though Cort is 3 inches taller at least
I maintain that Mambo, given the right treatment and encouargement could be a player. Alas, now we may never know .. remember Turner?
Absolutely & he's more likely to develop playing weekly elsewhere than not playing for Charlton. You're quite right about Turner as well. He was going nowhere with us, so moved to a lower level team & then finally ended up in The Prem.
Well done for proving yourself wrong :-)
You wouldn't let it lie :-)
am I wrong ?, the Turner situation proves my point, Turner was overlooked and underused just as is happening to Mambo, both deserved and deserve first team chances that never and probably never will come due to muddled and timid management
If one of our CB's got injured in training who would you choose to replace him - Cort or Mambo?
It has to be Cort. So Mambo is going to play a few friendlies and the odd League cup match, meaning that when his contract is up he won't have progressed much beyond where he is now. Let him have some proper first XI experience albeit at alower level and the experience will improve him, and if he can't take the chance then we know he won't make it a higher level.
Doherty would be my choice, though Cort is 3 inches taller at least
You'd choose Doherty over Cort ? Did you go to Lincs voluntarily or were you dispatched ?
I'm sorry but you really take the biscuit for talking the most complete load of b*lls.
If one of our CB's got injured in training who would you choose to replace him - Cort or Mambo?
It has to be Cort. So Mambo is going to play a few friendlies and the odd League cup match, meaning that when his contract is up he won't have progressed much beyond where he is now. Let him have some proper first XI experience albeit at alower level and the experience will improve him, and if he can't take the chance then we know he won't make it a higher level.
Doherty would be my choice, though Cort is 3 inches taller at least
You'd choose Doherty over Cort ? Did you go to Lincs voluntarily or were you dispatched ?
I'm sorry but you really take the biscuit for talking the most complete load of b*lls.
have you seen Cort play very often?, Doherty is our full time player, Cort a loanee, I would choose our player over a loanee every time, otherwise why retain Doherty during the close season .. and as for balls, blow them out your a**e
I maintain that Mambo, given the right treatment and encouargement could be a player. Alas, now we may never know .. remember Turner?
Absolutely & he's more likely to develop playing weekly elsewhere than not playing for Charlton. You're quite right about Turner as well. He was going nowhere with us, so moved to a lower level team & then finally ended up in The Prem.
Well done for proving yourself wrong :-)
You wouldn't let it lie :-)
am I wrong ?, the Turner situation proves my point, Turner was overlooked and underused just as is happening to Mambo, both deserved and deserve first team chances that never and probably never will come due to muddled and timid management
Do me a favour. When Turner left Charlton our centre halves were probably of the calibre of Rufus, Costa, Fish etc. I suppose you would have left out Rufus or Costa to play Michael Turner from the youth team. You talk such twaddle it's unreal.
I was abroad for a few years at the start of the 00s so didnt see many games, but if memory serves, Fish Rufus and Turner all left around the same time and Curbs brought in a cripple from Leicester.. what was his name? and prefered Fortune to Turner .. even Lord Llewwellyn made mistakes
Michael Turner only developed into the player he is now by playing regular football, something like over 100 games in League 1 and the Championship (from what I can remember). Mambo will benefit more from a run of games elsewhere than the odd appearance over the season for the first team.
I don't see the problem. It's only Mambo's second season as a pro. Nothing wrong with a 19 year old defender playing in the reserve friendlies, the odd first team game and going out on loan. Are you saying if players don't make the first team by 18 they should all be let go?
Powell also gave Ben Davisson a contract until the end of December. He'll probably be released by the end of it, but we can afford to give a few young players a bit longer to hopefully develop.
Ok Lincs, I've just looked it up. Turner left Charlton In August 2004 & joined Brentford on loan, signing for them full time a few months later.
We were of course in The Prem and our choice of centre halves at that time were Fortune, Fish, El Karkouri Perry & Hereidersen (sp).
If you think it was bad management by Curbs that he didn't choose youth team player Michael Turner before those 5 then there's nothing more I can say.
NB You say you didn't see a lot of games at that time & also you don't see many games now either, which is probably why you would play Doherty before Cort. I'm sorry but yes you are entitled to an opinion, but it is my opinion that you are clueless.
I'm now going to leave this conversation as I am losing my temper. Apologies.
Michael Turner only developed into the player he is now by playing regular football, something like over 100 games in League 1 and the Championship (from what I can remember). Mambo will benefit more from a run of games elsewhere than the odd appearance over the season for the first team.
I don't see the problem. It's only Mambo's second season as a pro. Nothing wrong with a 19 year old defender playing in the reserve friendlies, the odd first team game and going out on loan. Are you saying if players don't make the first team by 18 they should all be let go?
Powell also gave Ben Davisson a contract until the end of December. He'll probably be released by the end of it, but we can afford to give a few young players a bit longer to hopefully develop.
so you're advocating CAFC developing and paying young players only then to release them on free transfers to make a successful career at another club?. I want to see the Davissons and Mambos given a first team shot before loanees are brought in. In my opinion the loan system is totally wrong, corrupt, and prevents managers from having the courage of their convictions. If a manger fancies a player, then he should sign him on a permanent deal if he is able to, otherwise he should go with what he has.
Why are you so determined to prejudge this young man? What is this fortune we are "frittering away" on a 1 yr contract?
He appears to be on the same contract as Gough, Izquierdo, Popo, Pritchard and Warren. Based on your assumptions are all these a waste of money as well?
Mambo obviously displayed enough potential in his 1st year as a professional last year to warrant another look, this year. I repeat the club is simply seeking for him to develop his game by playing a) MORE games b) playing those games in a COMPETITIVE environment.
Please explain on what basis of logic this guarantees his release. Does that mean Pope and Gough and any other players in the development squad that go on loan are destined for release? Do you actually understand what a development squad is?
Lincs said: have you seen Cort play very often?, Doherty is our full time player, Cort a loanee, I would choose our player over a loanee every time, otherwise why retain Doherty during the close season .. and as for balls, blow them out your a**e
Retain him? He had a contract, something you can't just cancel.
Don't go Covered End I've just opened a big bag of pop corn.
With CE and Scoham on this. Like Tango I'm not sure he's good enough but players develop at different ages and maybe now mambo has got his head together. If we can afford to risk 50k on a years wages why not? How much would we be saving if he turns out to be good enough?
Don't go Covered End I've just opened a big bag of pop corn.
With CE and Scoham on this. Like Tango I'm not sure he's good enough but players develop at different ages and maybe now mambo has got his head together. If we can afford to risk 50k on a years wages why not? How much would we be saving if he turns out to be good enough?
I'll leave it to the rest of you, before I get banned. I don't often lose my cool on here, but sometimes ...........
Lincs said: have you seen Cort play very often?, Doherty is our full time player, Cort a loanee, I would choose our player over a loanee every time, otherwise why retain Doherty during the close season .. and as for balls, blow them out your a**e
Retain him? He had a contract, something you can't just cancel.
You're talking out your ass.
In your opinion ..... loan players should never be brought into a first team at the expense of players under contract .. read above if you can comprehend words that are longer than four letters.. pudding brain
The Turner story demonstrates that centre-backs tend to develop late - it's a position where bulk rather than athleticism is necessary and that takes time to acquire. So perhaps ditching a promising player too early is wrong, and for that matter I doubt whether he's on a high wage, so retaining him on a one year contract won't cost the earth. CP has so far in his short managerial career made some astute decisions, whether he's right on this one who knows, the fact that Mambo got a one year contract indicates that he's caught in two minds - on the one hand he's giving him time to show that he can make it, on the other hand he's not tying him in to a long term deal.
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Cort is experienced but Mambo is potential.
The Jenkinson analogy does stand when you compare Jenks this time last year when he had never played league football with Mambo now.
We can't say how good Mambo will turn out but CP clearly sees some potential and has a plan to develop him. One of the stated advantages is that Ebbsfleet are part time so Yado can still spend time at Sparrows Lane.
Grapevine, excellent summary but I think you could have left it here :-)
If one of our CB's got injured in training who would you choose to replace him - Cort or Mambo?
It has to be Cort. So Mambo is going to play a few friendlies and the odd League cup match, meaning that when his contract is up he won't have progressed much beyond where he is now. Let him have some proper first XI experience albeit at alower level and the experience will improve him, and if he can't take the chance then we know he won't make it a higher level.
I'm going to put my neck on the line and say Mambo will not make it as a 1st teamer with Charlton. Just really don't see a championship level player in him either now or in the future. I thought he was very fortunate to get a contract this summer and has to be seen as his last chance. If the club rated him highly and saw the potential, then surely he would have been tied up on a 2 - 3 yr contract like all the others were. He instead got a 1 year deal.
His contract was more out of hope than expectation I feel.
Yes, he played well against Reading once Doc got hold of him and puppy walked him through the game.
Please, nobody take this as me slating him and wanting him to fail, because that's not the case. I would love to see him succeed with us and become a rock in our defence, just can't see it myself.
@tangoflash
you make a lot of good points. Doherty, love or loath him strikes me as a good man to have as a mentor for an uncertain perhaps shy young pro. Mambo would learn a lot from him. Mambo will learn sweet nuthings at G & N. The 1 year contract? I make you right, so why did Powell bother .. as has been mooted elsewhere perhaps he was finding it impossible to get the right central defender, though I am sure Cort would have come for the right deal .. so now we have to pay Mambo's wages and pay Cort as well. The owners may be made of the stuff but surely that is a waste of good old solid cash. I maintain that Mambo, given the right treatment and encouargement could be a player. Alas, now we may never know .. remember Turner?
Absolutely & he's more likely to develop playing weekly elsewhere than not playing for Charlton. You're quite right about Turner as well. He was going nowhere with us, so moved to a lower level team & then finally ended up in The Prem.
Well done for proving yourself wrong :-)
You wouldn't let it lie :-)
You'd choose Doherty over Cort ? Did you go to Lincs voluntarily or were you dispatched ?
I'm sorry but you really take the biscuit for talking the most complete load of b*lls.
Do me a favour. When Turner left Charlton our centre halves were probably of the calibre of Rufus, Costa, Fish etc. I suppose you would have left out Rufus or Costa to play Michael Turner from the youth team. You talk such twaddle it's unreal.
Ok Lincs, I've just looked it up. Turner left Charlton In August 2004 & joined Brentford on loan, signing for them full time a few months later.
We were of course in The Prem and our choice of centre halves at that time were Fortune, Fish, El Karkouri Perry & Hereidersen (sp).
If you think it was bad management by Curbs that he didn't choose youth team player Michael Turner before those 5 then there's nothing more I can say.
NB You say you didn't see a lot of games at that time & also you don't see many games now either, which is probably why you would play Doherty before Cort. I'm sorry but yes you are entitled to an opinion, but it is my opinion that you are clueless.
I'm now going to leave this conversation as I am losing my temper. Apologies.
He appears to be on the same contract as Gough,
Izquierdo, Popo, Pritchard and Warren. Based on your assumptions are all these a waste of money as well?
Mambo obviously displayed enough potential in his 1st year as a professional last year to warrant another look, this year. I repeat the club is simply seeking for him to develop his game by playing a) MORE games b) playing those games in a COMPETITIVE environment.
Please explain on what basis of logic this guarantees his release. Does that mean Pope and Gough and any other players in the development squad that go on loan are destined for release? Do you actually understand what a development squad is?
Grapevine49
Cort a loanee, I would choose our player over a loanee every time,
otherwise why retain Doherty during the close season .. and as for
balls, blow them out your a**e
Retain him? He had a contract, something you can't just cancel.
You're talking out your ass.
With CE and Scoham on this. Like Tango I'm not sure he's good enough but players develop at different ages and maybe now mambo has got his head together. If we can afford to risk 50k on a years wages why not? How much would we be saving if he turns out to be good enough?
I'll leave it to the rest of you, before I get banned. I don't often lose my cool on here, but sometimes ...........
In your opinion ..... loan players should never be brought into a first team at the expense of players under contract .. read above if you can comprehend words that are longer than four letters.. pudding brain
The Turner story demonstrates that centre-backs tend to develop late - it's a position where bulk rather than athleticism is necessary and that takes time to acquire. So perhaps ditching a promising player too early is wrong, and for that matter I doubt whether he's on a high wage, so retaining him on a one year contract won't cost the earth. CP has so far in his short managerial career made some astute decisions, whether he's right on this one who knows, the fact that Mambo got a one year contract indicates that he's caught in two minds - on the one hand he's giving him time to show that he can make it, on the other hand he's not tying him in to a long term deal.