"As it happens we believe we know which currently serving manager the new owners would like to take the club forward, but they will bide their time to ensure that individual gets to save face too."
Really good article. I think it explains a lot what we already know/believe but its an extremely insightful and balanced piece in my opinion. Well done NYA.
"As it happens we believe we know which currently serving manager the new owners would like to take the club forward, but they will bide their time to ensure that individual gets to save face too."
One wonders why this information is a. being leaked out b. being leaked by a little read overseas blog and why they are c. bothering to withold the name of the, pause for effect, 'funder' if they have leaked this much info d bothering to withold the name of their preferred manager (and why he wasnt appointed in place of PP, whose departure could have been delayed if contracts were a problem.)
Seems obvious TRR but I can't think of any other manager that would need to "save face".
GP has links with the ownership, his son plays for the club (and is successful) but it would look silly leaving Brighton having got them promoted and moving into a brand spanking new stadium. It would look ridiculous.
Interesting times - let's see how it all pans out. In an ideal world Powelly will turn into a decent coach and manager and it becomes a mute point.
"As it happens we believe we know which currently serving manager the new owners would like to take the club forward, but they will bide their time to ensure that individual gets to save face too."
It's Poyet.
Thought the same. There aren't many names in that list who are proven at League 1 or Championship level and are seen as having the potential to be a good manager at Premier League level.
You'd imagine they'd want someone for the long term. They'd be fairly young, but have already had some success. They get their teams playing attractive football, they have their own contacts at the highest levels (and abroad).
Very interesting & I suspect that NYA has got it spot on. As he says, it doesn't matter WHO the funder is and most of us will probably never know for sure. However, running a football club with an intent focussed purely on maximising the value of that business is inevitably going to lead to some unpopular decisions being made over the next few years.
I think CP is perfectly capable of recognising what he walked into when he agreed to become manager. Football is definitely a business and if NY blogger is correct then this one could be as ruthless as it gets. As for Poyet speculation. I'd take it right now.
What I'm not convinced about is the idea that the board see us possibly needing 3 or 4 more seasons in League 1. We lose something like £4-5m each year while playing at this level (and that's without our new scouting and academy structure), and crowds will only go down the longer we're in this league.
You also don't need a big squad of exciting players to get promoted. A team of good solid League 1/potential lower Champ players can get you promoted, we're starting to build that with players like BWP, Jackson, Hollands, Hayes etc. On a decent budget, while getting the right players in, it doesn't take years to build a good League 1 side.
We needed to build a side to compete last summer. If we really are making bids of £300k+ for players like Wiggins, something we couldn't afford last year, we aren't looking to stay at this level for long (or that's at least how it looks to us fans...).
'However first a small caveat - there is a lot of speculation in all of this and thus we may have misinterpreted some of the information we have received'
Not really a lot on the article that hasn't been mentioned before on here but I guess if you don't read the boards it could come in useful.
The one part I did find interesting is the 3-4 year plan to get out of League 1. If that really is the case I think Jimenez and Slater could be asking for an awful lot of trouble, I can't see the majority being too happy spending another season in this league and the booers (whether you are pro or against) will be the ones making their feelings known the most, again leading to a manager being sacked, players being targeted and becoming unsettled and at the end of the season another big rotation of players. This would be one vicious cycle and surely the answer is for some investment know to ensure promotion and then slowly work up from the Championship. Promotion would keep everyone happy in the short term and being at a higher level we could attract a better standard of player (and manager possibly?)
Am I seem the only one who read that and thought, "there's actually nothing particularly new in there"?
I think we all knew that The Mysterons were highly unlikely to be a secret CAFC fan doing it out of love for the club but more with an eye on selling it on at a later stage.
I think we all knew that the board were linked with Poyet, presumably the unnamed manager who didn't feel unable to walk away form Brighton.
And I think we all knew that Powell was an appointment made with a view to securing some goodwill towards the board and uniting the support, which would hopefully pay of in the long term.
Well written synopsis of the sitution it may be, and I'm not ine any way being critical of the article, but without confirming names I'm not sure it adds very much to the sum of our knowledge. Or am I missing something?
A really well written piece and pretty close to what has been speculated on, by many on here, in a multitude of threads (esp. the (un-named) Cash connection). Quite a few "personal opinions" in there and gaps in what can actually be stated as known fact! So haven't actually learned that much really.
Interesting bit for me was "The decision to appoint Powell doesn’t really fit the intelligent value approach, but there may be a deeper agenda as discussed above.". I've always wondered about Powell's appointment in terms of 'fit' with the apparent strategy of the owners. I personally have the theory that they wanted to appoint Dennis Wise but dreaded the fan backlash - so took the easy route: if Powell succeeds then great, if he doesn't and the fans are on his back, then there would be much less anti-Mr Wise feeling around...
One wonders why this information is a. being leaked out b. being leaked by a little read overseas blog and why they are c. bothering to withold the name of the, pause for effect, 'funder' if they have leaked this much info d bothering to withold the name of their preferred manager (and why he wasnt appointed in place of PP, whose departure could have been delayed if contracts were a problem.)
a. It's not being leaked out, NYA has done all the research himself and is only now about to disclose what he has found out
b. Because he was the one (along with the other chap he mentions) that did all the research - incidently he has been back in the UK for many months
c. I guess he has decided to respect the guy's wishes. The information he has is not in the public domain and I assume NYA has decided not to be the one to put it there
d. I am not sure you are seroius about this. If you want another manager (assuming that he is not out of work) you don't tell the world, especially if the manager is not ready to come yet. If, for example, the preferred manager was not willing to come for eighteen months as he is part way though another project you wouldn't be willing to wait that long.
Clearly NYA has some information that none of us have, but many of the conculsions he has drawn are not a million miles away from some of the things we have seen discussed on Charlton Life. The fact that there are so many secrets about who the other shareholders are ensures that there will always be theroies put forward by people.
However, one would have to be silly to discount many of the suggestions put forward by this article, as what we have seen since January all points to it being acurate. I've believed, for some time, that they were never going to pump loads of money into the playing squad. I have no evidence for this, but it has always looked like the new boys thought they were clever enough to get promited without spending a lot of money. They may well be right, but it looks like we are going to find out as the targets we've been linked with this summer have been rather underwhelming, in my oponion.
one thing puzzles me about a funder (perhaps I'm being stupid) but how does he get the money he's put in plus any profit back if he doesn't own the club, other share holders will have a substantial claim on that shirley?
I suspect the managerial side of things is a cross between having objectives vs real world trying to get your man, you can only choose from who's available at the time/accepts your offer - and Powell was that man. His fate is in his own hands and I suspect he's glad of the opportunity. Any talk of saving face for another currently serving manager is irrelevant if Powell performs.
KHA - and your last point is key. However rich the funder is, we are not going to see shed loads of money being invested in new players because the funder wants to see a decent profit when he decides to sell. And funding an operating loss of £4m per year is not going to leave much available funding for buying new players.
c. I guess he has decided to respect the guy's wishes. The information he has is not in the public domain and I assume NYA has decided not to be the one to put it there
So he either knows the guy, in which case its a leak of information, or he doesnt know Cash in which case someones wishes dont enter into it.
Either name names or stop alluding
This goes for point d too. You cant have it both ways
one thing puzzles me about a funder (perhaps I'm being stupid) but how does he get the money he's put in plus any profit back if he doesn't own the club, other share holders will have a substantial claim on that shirley?
There are quite a few ways this could be achieved that I'm way too lazy to go into (although I'm sure someone else did on an earlier thread) it's more than possible though
One wonders why this information is a. being leaked out b. being leaked by a little read overseas blog and why they are c. bothering to withold the name of the, pause for effect, 'funder' if they have leaked this much info d bothering to withold the name of their preferred manager (and why he wasnt appointed in place of PP, whose departure could have been delayed if contracts were a problem.)
Think you are wrong
a. It's not leaked but just a fan's view on the situation achieved through some diligent research
b. NYA is not little read as many of us have been reading his blog for a number of years. Also, I believe, he now resides in UK and even attends matches at the Valley.
c. at times it is good to respect a person's wishes and for all we know the funder might have given the information on the condition of remaining anonymous?
Of course there are ways to make money in Football but far more ways to lose it. Would the money that could be made be worth the effort for this Super Funder? I would have thought a more likely secnario is that the funder might want to step in when the club is successful - take the credit and associate him/ herself or themselves with success rather than failiure.
For me the reasons for buying a football club is for image or to offset tax (to do which it helps that it loses money) not to make mega bucks as this rarely happens unless a buyer is already lined up. Of course you have to actually own the club to benefit from either of these.
I agree with Muttley there are few reasons to buy a football club, I still don't quite get why not wait till the club was in Admin I suspect there must be some reason or other, but hey ho. Personally don't see any revelations in the article just a compilation of all we already know, which has probably been summarised elsewhere and prior to this, with any new information alluded to conspicuously/conveniently withheld, so in essence why bother?
NYA is spot on with most of this. The worrying thing for me is the timescale,and I think it's the one thing NYA has got wrong.There is no way these 'funders' will wait four or five seasons scratching around in this league.
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I found this part interesting:
"As it happens we believe we know which currently serving manager the new owners would like to take the club forward, but they will bide their time to ensure that individual gets to save face too."
Really good article. I think it explains a lot what we already know/believe but its an extremely insightful and balanced piece in my opinion. Well done NYA.
It's Poyet.
a. being leaked out
b. being leaked by a little read overseas blog
and why they are
c. bothering to withold the name of the, pause for effect, 'funder' if they have leaked this much info
d bothering to withold the name of their preferred manager (and why he wasnt appointed in place of PP, whose departure could have been delayed if contracts were a problem.)
Seems obvious TRR but I can't think of any other manager that would need to "save face".
GP has links with the ownership, his son plays for the club (and is successful) but it would look silly leaving Brighton having got them promoted and moving into a brand spanking new stadium. It would look ridiculous.
Interesting times - let's see how it all pans out. In an ideal world Powelly will turn into a decent coach and manager and it becomes a mute point.
God good luck Chris i hope you never read message boards.
5hour round trip from SE7 on the bike...might give it a go...terrible fixture tho and worse excuse that SolarAddick received
Not really a lot on the article that hasn't been mentioned before on here but I guess if you don't read the boards it could come in useful.
The one part I did find interesting is the 3-4 year plan to get out of League 1. If that really is the case I think Jimenez and Slater could be asking for an awful lot of trouble, I can't see the majority being too happy spending another season in this league and the booers (whether you are pro or against) will be the ones making their feelings known the most, again leading to a manager being sacked, players being targeted and becoming unsettled and at the end of the season another big rotation of players. This would be one vicious cycle and surely the answer is for some investment know to ensure promotion and then slowly work up from the Championship. Promotion would keep everyone happy in the short term and being at a higher level we could attract a better standard of player (and manager possibly?)
Am I seem the only one who read that and thought, "there's actually nothing particularly new in there"?
I think we all knew that The Mysterons were highly unlikely to be a secret CAFC fan doing it out of love for the club but more with an eye on selling it on at a later stage.
I think we all knew that the board were linked with Poyet, presumably the unnamed manager who didn't feel unable to walk away form Brighton.
And I think we all knew that Powell was an appointment made with a view to securing some goodwill towards the board and uniting the support, which would hopefully pay of in the long term.
Well written synopsis of the sitution it may be, and I'm not ine any way being critical of the article, but without confirming names I'm not sure it adds very much to the sum of our knowledge. Or am I missing something?
A really well written piece and pretty close to what has been speculated on, by many on here, in a multitude of threads (esp. the (un-named) Cash connection). Quite a few "personal opinions" in there and gaps in what can actually be stated as known fact! So haven't actually learned that much really.
Interesting bit for me was "The decision to appoint Powell doesn’t really fit the intelligent value approach, but there may be a deeper agenda as discussed above.". I've always wondered about Powell's appointment in terms of 'fit' with the apparent strategy of the owners. I personally have the theory that they wanted to appoint Dennis Wise but dreaded the fan backlash - so took the easy route: if Powell succeeds then great, if he doesn't and the fans are on his back, then there would be much less anti-Mr Wise feeling around...
a. It's not being leaked out, NYA has done all the research himself and is only now about to disclose what he has found out
b. Because he was the one (along with the other chap he mentions) that did all the research - incidently he has been back in the UK for many months
c. I guess he has decided to respect the guy's wishes. The information he has is not in the public domain and I assume NYA has decided not to be the one to put it there
d. I am not sure you are seroius about this. If you want another manager (assuming that he is not out of work) you don't tell the world, especially if the manager is not ready to come yet. If, for example, the preferred manager was not willing to come for eighteen months as he is part way though another project you wouldn't be willing to wait that long.
Clearly NYA has some information that none of us have, but many of the conculsions he has drawn are not a million miles away from some of the things we have seen discussed on Charlton Life. The fact that there are so many secrets about who the other shareholders are ensures that there will always be theroies put forward by people.
However, one would have to be silly to discount many of the suggestions put forward by this article, as what we have seen since January all points to it being acurate. I've believed, for some time, that they were never going to pump loads of money into the playing squad. I have no evidence for this, but it has always looked like the new boys thought they were clever enough to get promited without spending a lot of money. They may well be right, but it looks like we are going to find out as the targets we've been linked with this summer have been rather underwhelming, in my oponion.
c. I guess he has decided to respect the guy's wishes. The
information he has is not in the public domain and I assume NYA has
decided not to be the one to put it there
So he either knows the guy, in which case its a leak of information, or he doesnt know Cash in which case someones wishes dont enter into it.
Either name names or stop alluding
This goes for point d too. You cant have it both ways
Of course there are ways to make money in Football but far more ways to lose it. Would the money that could be made be worth the effort for this Super Funder? I would have thought a more likely secnario is that the funder might want to step in when the club is successful - take the credit and associate him/ herself or themselves with success rather than failiure.
For me the reasons for buying a football club is for image or to offset tax (to do which it helps that it loses money) not to make mega bucks as this rarely happens unless a buyer is already lined up. Of course you have to actually own the club to benefit from either of these.