Property law in England is a disgrace. If you were buying a bag of crisps your verbal contract would be enforceable, but when it comes to a house it's not. Ridiculous.
I'd personally not pay the extra on the grounds that neither the estate agent nor the landlord have a scrap of integrity. They accepted your offer and should stick with that even if they get a higher bid. The fact that they'd consider it shows the kind of people you're dealing with. Will they be honest and honour their word in the future - I'd guess not. Sorry if I'm coming over as old fashioned but if I was the landlord I'd not accept a bid of £1600 if I'd taken your offer. I'd regret it like hell, but my word means something. It's disgraceful that so many people have such a lack of personal integrity.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
IF you do take it make sure you do £280s worth of damage every year - you're a spark aren't you Walshie? Must be able to rig something up... Not sure how this fits with my personal integrity rant, but Karma's a bitch.
Property law in England is a disgrace. If you were buying a bag of crisps your verbal contract would be enforceable, but when it comes to a house it's not. Ridiculous.
I'd personally not pay the extra on the grounds that neither the estate agent nor the landlord have a scrap of integrity. They accepted your offer and should stick with that even if they get a higher bid. The fact that they'd consider it shows the kind of people you're dealing with. Will they be honest and honour their word in the future - I'd guess not. Sorry if I'm coming over as old fashioned but if I was the landlord I'd not accept a bid of £1600 if I'd taken your offer. I'd regret it like hell, but my word means something. It's disgraceful that so many people have such a lack of personal integrity.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
IF you do take it make sure you do £280s worth of damage every year - you're a spark aren't you Walshie? Must be able to rig something up... Not sure how this fits with my personal integrity rant, but Karma's a bitch.
Property law in England is a disgrace. If you were buying a bag of crisps your verbal contract would be enforceable, but when it comes to a house it's not. Ridiculous.
I'd personally not pay the extra on the grounds that neither the estate agent nor the landlord have a scrap of integrity. They accepted your offer and should stick with that even if they get a higher bid. The fact that they'd consider it shows the kind of people you're dealing with. Will they be honest and honour their word in the future - I'd guess not. Sorry if I'm coming over as old fashioned but if I was the landlord I'd not accept a bid of £1600 if I'd taken your offer. I'd regret it like hell, but my word means something. It's disgraceful that so many people have such a lack of personal integrity.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
IF you do take it make sure you do £280s worth of damage every year - you're a spark aren't you Walshie? Must be able to rig something up... Not sure how this fits with my personal integrity rant, but Karma's a bitch.
do £280 of damage?, keep your American notions of 'justice' to yourself. Renting or buying property is a game like any other, know the rules before you venture in and start playing. Comparing buying a packet of crisps to potentially buying or renting a house is a brainless and ludicrous analogy. Landlords have a right to maximise their returns within the rules. Any agreement regarding property could last for years, even generations and could be worth many many thousands of pounds. But you insist such deals should not be confirmed in writing?
You die and your son inherits a lease or freehold. There is no written record. You are leaving him in a nice pickle. Are you a lawyer?, because lawyers are the only ones who will gain from the lack of scruples and uncertainty inherent in 'verbal' contracts. 'A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on'. A Holywood maxim. Have a nice day
Lincs, I don't know if you are indeed a lawyer but it doesn't bear thinking about how we would live our lives if non-written contracts were unenforceable... there would not be enough hours in the day! Land is treated differently and deservedly so, it's a finite resource and often the most valuable acquisition anyone will ever make but there should be a practical distinction between buying freehold, long leasehold or just a bog-standard 12 month residential tenancies. We are still living in a medieval structure despite all the money that has been chucked at it over recent years.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
Disagree with that. The people who upped the bid probably didnt even know about the holding fee. The agent is the "dirtbag" not the bidders
If you went and saw a house on the market that you loved, was in a great area, handy for the train etc and someone who had an appointment an hour before put an offer in at asking price would you think yourself a dirtbag for offering another £5k to secure it?
Lincs, I don't know if you are indeed a lawyer but it doesn't bear thinking about how we would live our lives if non-written contracts were unenforceable... there would not be enough hours in the day! Land is treated differently and deservedly so, it's a finite resource and often the most valuable acquisition anyone will ever make but there should be a practical distinction between buying freehold, long leasehold or just a bog-standard 12 month residential tenancies. We are still living in a medieval structure despite all the money that has been chucked at it over recent years.
You answer your own question. Land IS different and is treated as such. If you verbally agree to sell me a car for £100 and refuse a later ogffer of £150 then you are upholding a verbal contract. I would suggest that many many people would take the £150 in the knowledge that bar having the conversation on tape, ther is no proof of a verbal contract, it relies on good will and a good old fashioned word morals.
What pisses me off is all the cyber warriors on here who would advocate doing damage to a landlord or his agents or his property simply because the landlord is seeking to make the most profit he can from his resources. I am sure that all the advocates of violence are like george Washington and have never told a lie ion thier collective lives. Are they refugees from Millwall?
Lastly A 'bog standard tenancy'?.. I year at £800 a month is £9600 per annum paid from taxed income, or perhaps by fhe DWP for the unemployed, hardly a small sum and worthy i would suggest of verification in a few sentences on a sheet of A4.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
Disagree with that. The people who upped the bid probably didnt even know about the holding fee. The agent is the "dirtbag" not the bidders
If you went and saw a house on the market that you loved, was in a great area, handy for the train etc and someone who had an appointment an hour before put an offer in at asking price would you think yourself a dirtbag for offering another £5k to secure it?
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Depends what my knowledge was. If they'd already accepted a bid from someone else then I wouldn't. As you say it depends on whether they knew or not. Why the landlord or estate agent would a) accept an offer when they still intended to show it or b) keep showing it after they'd accepted a bid. I've no issue with anyone getting the most for their resources I just think that an individual lets themselves down if they make a deal and then back out of it to line their pockets. It's the kind of thing that winds people up about footballers, but that many folk are happy to do themselves and it's poor.
What pisses me off is all the cyber warriors on here who would advocate doing damage to a landlord or his agents or his property simply because the landlord is seeking to make the most profit he can from his resources. I am sure that all the advocates of violence are like george Washington and have never told a lie ion thier collective lives. Are they refugees from Millwall?
It was clearly a flippant comment, precious, which I thought the dimmest of posters would have picked up on, but clearly not.
Anyway the point stands. If you make a deal you should have the personal integrity to stand behind it. Nobody twisted the landlord's arm up behind his back and forced him to take Walshy's offer, did they? Having done so they should have honoured. I reckon your word should be worth more to you than £25 or 3% but sadly it's not the case here. There's a point where the grubby scramble for a few extra quid should take second place to honour, surely?
Perfect example here for you. A few months ago, I bought a car. Saw it advertised online, arranged to see it in the showroom on a Saturday morning, went there, gave it the once over and agreed in principle to buy it for the asking price there and then (knew it was cheap, that other people seeing it were likely to offer the asking price, and it was exactly what I wanted). Was sitting in the office with the wife talking to the salesman when his next appointment (a bloke with his wife and kids in tow) walked in - who just so happened to be there to see the exact same car (along with four others booked that day). Salesman told him it had already been sold, and bad luck. This despite not having signed anything at that point. If this were a house, the etsate agent would have made an excuse to delay us signing something, fucked us off then told the other bloke that I was willing to pay £500 over the asking price, but that I could 'secure' the car myself if he doubled that bid. It's an absolute fucking disgrace - and when you're comparing professions with car salesmen being more honest, then you know people in that profession truly are pondlife.
Don't try and justify it. Estate Agents are on the same rung of society's ladder as lawyers and recruitment agents. The bottom one.
And Child Support Agency minions who cause so much misery and anxiety, bailiffs who knock at people's doors to take their possessions, and other scum who do unethical jobs
Perfect example here for you. A few months ago, I bought a car. Saw it advertised online, arranged to see it in the showroom on a Saturday morning, went there, gave it the once over and agreed in principle to buy it for the asking price there and then (knew it was cheap, that other people seeing it were likely to offer the asking price, and it was exactly what I wanted). Was sitting in the office with the wife talking to the salesman when his next appointment (a bloke with his wife and kids in tow) walked in - who just so happened to be there to see the exact same car (along with four others booked that day). Salesman told him it had already been sold, and bad luck. This despite not having signed anything at that point. If this were a house, the etsate agent would have made an excuse to delay us signing something, fucked us off then told the other bloke that I was willing to pay £500 over the asking price, but that I could 'secure' the car myself if he doubled that bid. It's an absolute fucking disgrace - and when you're comparing professions with car salesmen being more honest, then you know people in that profession truly are pondlife.
Don't try and justify it. Estate Agents are on the same rung of society's ladder as lawyers and recruitment agents. The bottom one.
You forgot football agents. Or are they not even on the bottom rung?
No contract = No contract. I assume both the Landlord and Estate Agency are in it for the money and not to do their bit for society.
There are Public Services for both Housing and Recruitment Services - and many other things I guess. But the majority of providers operate as profit making organisations. Anyone could probably avoid dealing with both Estate and Recruitment Agents if they really wanted to.
If supply is low and demand is high then prices in the Private Housing Sector inevitably go up and commerciality prevails.
And no I am not an Estate Agent, but I am a realist.
Just got off the phone to them. Going to take 170 off the fees and the landlord is going to get rid of the vile dark green carpet. We are moving in 13th August
When we bought our house we were lied to on a minor issue. Out of principle I was in the mood to pull out which wouldn't have helped me at all. It had to be explained to me that you can never believe anything an estate agent tells you- they will always say what they think you want to hear. I rememebr what upset me most was a low life denying a conversation with me that both he and I knew we had had. But you have to be pragmatic and do what's best for you in the end.
Well done mate. Leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, but in the greater scheme of things, you are moving to the place you want (and you get a nice new clean carpet!) Hope its a happy home for you
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Well worth a try.
I'd personally not pay the extra on the grounds that neither the estate agent nor the landlord have a scrap of integrity. They accepted your offer and should stick with that even if they get a higher bid. The fact that they'd consider it shows the kind of people you're dealing with. Will they be honest and honour their word in the future - I'd guess not. Sorry if I'm coming over as old fashioned but if I was the landlord I'd not accept a bid of £1600 if I'd taken your offer. I'd regret it like hell, but my word means something. It's disgraceful that so many people have such a lack of personal integrity.
With any luck the people that outbid you (who are also dirtbags) will default after a couple of months.
IF you do take it make sure you do £280s worth of damage every year - you're a spark aren't you Walshie? Must be able to rig something up... Not sure how this fits with my personal integrity rant, but Karma's a bitch.
do £280 of damage?, keep your American notions of 'justice' to yourself. Renting or buying property is a game like any other, know the rules before you venture in and start playing. Comparing buying a packet of crisps to potentially buying or renting a house is a brainless and ludicrous analogy. Landlords have a right to maximise their returns within the rules. Any agreement regarding property could last for years, even generations and could be worth many many thousands of pounds. But you insist such deals should not be confirmed in writing?
You die and your son inherits a lease or freehold. There is no written record. You are leaving him in a nice pickle. Are you a lawyer?, because lawyers are the only ones who will gain from the lack of scruples and uncertainty inherent in 'verbal' contracts. 'A verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on'. A Holywood maxim. Have a nice day
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Disagree with that. The people who upped the bid probably didnt even know about the holding fee. The agent is the "dirtbag" not the bidders
If you went and saw a house on the market that you loved, was in a great area, handy for the train etc and someone who had an appointment an hour before put an offer in at asking price would you think yourself a dirtbag for offering another £5k to secure it?
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You answer your own question. Land IS different and is treated as such. If you verbally agree to sell me a car for £100 and refuse a later ogffer of £150 then you are upholding a verbal contract. I would suggest that many many people would take the £150 in the knowledge that bar having the conversation on tape, ther is no proof of a verbal contract, it relies on good will and a good old fashioned word morals.
What pisses me off is all the cyber warriors on here who would advocate doing damage to a landlord or his agents or his property simply because the landlord is seeking to make the most profit he can from his resources. I am sure that all the advocates of violence are like george Washington and have never told a lie ion thier collective lives. Are they refugees from Millwall?
Lastly A 'bog standard tenancy'?.. I year at £800 a month is £9600 per annum paid from taxed income, or perhaps by fhe DWP for the unemployed, hardly a small sum and worthy i would suggest of verification in a few sentences on a sheet of A4.
It was clearly a flippant comment, precious, which I thought the dimmest of posters would have picked up on, but clearly not.
Anyway the point stands. If you make a deal you should have the personal integrity to stand behind it. Nobody twisted the landlord's arm up behind his back and forced him to take Walshy's offer, did they? Having done so they should have honoured. I reckon your word should be worth more to you than £25 or 3% but sadly it's not the case here. There's a point where the grubby scramble for a few extra quid should take second place to honour, surely?
Don't try and justify it. Estate Agents are on the same rung of society's ladder as lawyers and recruitment agents. The bottom one.
Some people need to try and imagine that what people write on here not every word is meant. Well maybe apart from leroy...
No contract = No contract. I assume both the Landlord and Estate Agency are in it for the money and not to do their bit for society.
There are Public Services for both Housing and Recruitment Services - and many other things I guess. But the majority of providers operate as profit making organisations. Anyone could probably avoid dealing with both Estate and Recruitment Agents if they really wanted to.
If supply is low and demand is high then prices in the Private Housing Sector inevitably go up and commerciality prevails.
And no I am not an Estate Agent, but I am a realist.
Leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, but in the greater scheme of things, you are moving to the place you want (and you get a nice new clean carpet!)
Hope its a happy home for you