was the guy at the front of the lower north to the right of the goal, in the front row in a charlton shirt with a kid to the left of him and a guy in a black coat the other side of the kid
when chelsea were down our end taking corners, he was shouting at ballack and doing a "finger under his nose and a salute" hitler style
i'm not one for stitching up your own fans, and more likely to sit there and do nothing, but this guy really riled me. thats despicable, and next to a child for gawd sake. surprised no one around him said anything, although not sure i'd have if i sat near him. if you pipe up these days you end up getting more trouble than you bargained for
anyone else see him?
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if people think i've had a sense of humour failure, so be it.
sooz, didnt the ;-) give it away! i was only jokin doodette!
That started in the East, led by me and my 11 year old son!
Some people!
I'm with you Suzi
there was a little girl sitting behind us at the weekend, so people toned it down a bit. I don't actually usually swear at football that much, as i'm used to sittng with my dad, and out of habit don't shout obsenities at people. my dad used to change the words of insults when i sat next to him so not to offend me or other kids around us
i did have a terrible sore throat saturday night though after all the singing.
you sound like a nice guy!!
I do think doing hitler signs at a football match is taking it way overboard
In fact, it should be remembered that a large number of wartime Germans were not even Nazis or even Nazi sympathisers. My Polish Grandfather was on the run in wartime Germany and was helped by many ordinary Germans to evade the Nazis and eventually made it to northern France where he was picked up by the Americans and taken to the UK.
IMO, making Nazi gestures at someone like Ballack is juvenile, offensive behaviour that only serves to re-inforce the opinion that some English people have never really moved on from the end of the war.
Quite how does someone like Ballack, who is nothing other than a regulation robotic modern footballer, deserve to have Nazi salutes and Hitler impressions directed at him?
If you want to have a go at Germans for supposedly "taking themselves seriously" then go ahead and do it, that's your right.
However, it is simply not acceptable to make Nazi salutes at someone who had nothing to do with that part of his country's history and is ashamed and horrified at what took place as any of us are.
By the way, I have been around most of Germany and their standards of living and education, especially in the former West Germany, are way above those in most of the UK and they have the little matter of three World Cup Final wins plus another four runners-up appearances to their name compared to our paltry one victory.
And still some pissed up England fans did it.
Embarrasing.
how some people can generalise a whole nation i'll never know.
I was in Nuremberg during the WC, a day or so before our match there (I didn't go) and saw a group of English fans loudly and drunkenly singing "Ten German Bombers" and I felt embarassed to be English. Ok a joke and a bit of fun is one thing, but there is a part of the English mentality and psyche that doesn't seem able to move on (and I say English because the Scots/Irish/Welsh don't seem to join in) and so it gets taken way to far.
Most Germans don't remember the war and are now the children of people born after the war and are usually a bit puzzled at the stream of jokes and the ferocity behind the jokes. They've moved on, acknowledged what Germany did but wonder why we haven't, hence they call us "Inseln Apfen" - Island Monkeys.
not into rugby at all, but it was so nice to see fans together despite the result enjoying the day out
There is a limit suze....
generalising a bit aye BFR?? Its not all English are like that! Why do you feel the need to be embarrassed to be English if a minority of drunks are taking the pee? Its genralisation as bad as someone saying about all germans being boring and uptight or whatever!
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I generally agree with you Suze. Think the bloke doing the nazi thing should have been out and been given a ban till the end of the season. It's plainly not acceptable anymore. If he did the same gesture at Spuds or an Israeli player is that still a laugh and joke? No, thunk not. People need to grow up. That said, as a half-jock, I'd like to go on record and say if I saw any Scots rugby fans singing Sweet Chariot, that they should be done for treason and hung from the balls. Even if rugby is an effite non-sport, it's lord wrong of wrongtown.