I'm happy for us to keep Benson next season as a squad player, with hopefully a couple of better strikers coming in (while keeping BWP of course).
We've had so many strikers here in recent years who could go through a season scoring no more than 5 or 6 and not making up for it with the rest of their game. We could actually have a set of strikers that can all score goals in the league we are in. He's clearly not going to be Championship standard if we get promoted next season, but 10 goals in about 30 games in an average team is a decent record.
I didn't like Benson much at first, but have warmed to him and like his attitude, also think his massively improved recently and agree with what others have said about him being much better next term.
If we have him next season, I'd expect him to get a realistic 15+ goals, providing decent service is given.
Chirpy, it was someone else that mentioned the FA stuff, not him.
I didn't realise that him being a professional footballer meant that he is beyond criticism. I hope that you have never slagged anyone in any other profession off before you have jacked your job in and gone and done theirs for a minimum of 8 years or so?
And there was me thinking that this was a forum for people to discuss/argue/offer their opinions about various issues to do with CAFC. I must have confused it with somewhere else....
Don't worry about it. WSS referred to my FA coaching qualification, Plaaayer then queried it (tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure), so I confirmed. No more, no less.
I think the basic point that Chirpy Red and I disagree on is whether having the FA badge and several years of semi-pro coaching experience makes me better-qualified to comment on a professional player's strengths and weaknesses. For me it's obvious, but he disagrees. So be it.
Anyway ... must go now. I'm off to the dentist to get my hair cut.
Ability wise they're poles apart, but to me Benson is much more 'Charlton' than Reid or Racon will ever be, and I don't mean that in the 'he's shit' sense I mean that in that he plays to the very best of his ability because he enjoys playing and he wants the team and the club to do well. It cannot be coincidence that the very first time Racon approached anything like consistent form was when his contract looks like winding up.
The trouble with most people on here is they read what they want to read rather than what is written.
I'll say it one more time just to make it clear. Anyone can say what they like. Got it? Understand? Ok?
I said there was no need for David to mention his FA badge. Ok someone else mentioned it first but he still brought it up. To me it came across as someone simply saying that his opinion was worth more than the ordinary fan, Davids words as well actually. I disagree.That's my right. I found extremley arrogant. You all may disagree with me, that's your right. Have a referendum on it if you like. I may lose but I wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram like Paddy Ashdown.
Whether David is more qualified to crticise a professional player's strengths and weaknesses than the "ordinary" fan is one thing, but an FA badge certainly does not entitle anyone to simply take the pee out of a professional player. Well no more than any ordinary fan anyway.
Sorry Dave but I cannot agree at all that just because someone is qualified makes them a better judge. Do managers with more coaching badges make them a better manager? I think you will find not necessarily. And in my own experience I know people in my line of work who have more professional qualifications than me yet are clearly incompetent at the job they are doing.
The answer here is that it is possible you are a better judge of Benson's abilities as a player than others however the reason isn't necessarily because you have coaching qualifications
The goal you scored away at Carlisle was pure quality, but overall, you have under-achieved and started to look like a fringe non-league player - same as Stuart Fleetwood.
Only you can change this, and I would get working on your hit-rate pretty damn quick.
Imagine a CV for a job application such as .. oh, I don't know ... Lion Tamer.
"Fine, fine. But do you, do you have any qualifications?"
"Yes, I've got a hat."
"A hat?"
"Yes, a hat. A lion taming hat. A hat with 'lion tamer' on it. I got it at Harrods. And it lights up saying 'lion tamer' in great big neon letters, so that you can tame them after dark when they're less stroppy."
"I see, I see."
"And you can switch it off during the day time, and claim reasonable wear and tear as allowable professional expenses under paragraph 335C..."
"Yes, yes, yes, I do follow, Mr Anchovy, but you see the snag is... if I now call Mr Chipperfield and say to him, 'look here, I've got a forty-five-year-old chartered accountant with me who wants to become a lion tamer', his first question is not going to be 'does he have his own hat?' He's going to ask what sort of experience you've had with lions."
Listen to yourselves.
Yes, there are people with experience who are worse at your job than you are (in your opinion). But there are 1000 times more people in your job who are better than you because they have experience. Interestingly, they are never they ones to say "there is a guy who is much less experienced than me who does my job better." Curious, eh?
Face facts. Deal with your inadequacies. Don't try to disguise them with 'qualifications and experience mean nothing'.
Show me someone with qualifications and experience who agrees with you.
I think the whole argument started Dave over your derogatory tone over someone most people probably think wasn't worthy of that amount of scorn. Especially when others to pick on. After all he stepped up to join us albeit his team our now in our league.
Dave what on earth is that large swathe of text rambling on about? Somehow something quite interesting that might be useful and aspirational for others on here like holding an FA qualification has led to an embarrassing exchange that still shows no signs of relenting.
Yes experience and qualifications mean a lot in the professional world and are something to be proud of and use to assist others.
No, in terms of "our world", i.e. being a football fan and having opinions related to football, no it is not the be all and end all or you are left sounding as arrogant and dismissive as the likes of Ray Houghton or Robbie Savage.
Maybe the new site layout should incorporate a football CV section where Sunday League and/or Football Manager exploits can be documented.
The text is fixed. Format problems on the new site.
You'll need to remind me where the cut-off applies between the 'professional world' and the 'real world." Is an opinion only valid in one or other of these worlds (I thought we lived in a continuous world). I didn't realise that experience and qualifications suddenly became invalid at some arbitrary point.
You can't contribute in a discussion without being patronising can you?
Of course there is no fixed or tangible arbitrary point at which experience and inexperience cease to be distinguishable or cease to matter, it is merely notional.
Of course somebody who has worked within football has knowledge and skill-sets about a whole range of matters that others who have not had that experience would not.
However, why get on your high horse about it? Why use it as a stick to beat others with? Why not respect that some people who have watched football of varying styles and standards for X amount of years and perhaps played and/or coached to a lower level than you might have a valid contrary opinion worth the same amount of credence as yours?
And as for the text, it was more to do with whatever that metaphor was supposed to illustrate rather than any formatting discrepancies.
Umm .. yes, I can contribute to any discussion without being patronising.
You invented the distinction between the 'professional world' and the 'real world'. I simply asked (and am still waiting) for clarity on what you view that distinction to be.
I have no problem with opinions of others. I simply object to being told that experience and qualifications amount to nothing (by those who have neither).
Re. my invention of a distinction between the 'professional world' and the 'real world':
Firstly, I never used the phrase 'real world' until I quoted you saying it in the previous line. I used 'our world' as a reference to the existence of being a football fan as I would say was fairly clear from the post you are referring to.
What do I see as 'our world'? Football for me is a social institution. For others it is a profession, for me that is not the case. Simply my opinion. I go to football every week. I stand (or sit), drink, talk, travel with people who may have all manner of football experience and knowledge that I can but dream of. However, we are in it together as 'fans' and I like to think that to that end everyone is entitled to their opinion regardless of if it is their first game or if they are a pro that has popped along to see how their old team is getting along on their day off. I would like to think that nobody would pull rank, that nobody would pour scorn on what others had to say because they were better, that nobody would automatically dismiss others' contributions on account of their own self-importance. The concept of an opinion is absolutely integral to being a football fan and I would say pretty damned integral to the existence of sites like this.
Perhaps that is fanciful. Perhaps that is unrealistic. It certainly does not hold much truck in the 'real world' (a concept I made sure not to refer to) but I am a firm believer that football fans do not live in the 'real world'. You only have to look at how much money we all effectively throw into the wind year in year out to support that theory.
Benno will average between 1 goal per 2 to 3 games for us next season Imo which I know is worth more than anyone elses FACT Based on the fact I'm Alan Curbishleys illegitimate love Child so ner ner ner ner ner
Sorry Jarman football is all about opinions but Benson wil never make it at even this level as long as I've got a hole in my arris! He rarely wins a header, he cant tackle, and he needs 20 chances to put one away he's an over the hill conference player but then again so are a number of the present squad! Get the P45s ready Sir Chris PLEASE
Yet still managed to scored 10 in this league with poor service.
I agree his all round game isn't good enough. I hope we sign someone better as a partner for BWP, but for another season he'll be ok as a squad player.
Fair point squad player maybe, first choice never for me. At least we agree on one thing we both scored him 5/10 on yesterday's performance because he was crap!
Agree that he's worth retaining but I would hope nowhere near first choice. We need to get two strikers in the door and I would expect one to be a purchase and one a decent prem loan. Add BWP to that and we are covered up front. Sorry Joe Anyinsah you are just too fragile.
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You could pick out one moment like that for every player (and the manager).
I didn't like Benson much at first, but have warmed to him and like his attitude, also think his massively improved recently and agree with what others have said about him being much better next term.
If we have him next season, I'd expect him to get a realistic 15+ goals, providing decent service is given.
Chirpy, it was someone else that mentioned the FA stuff, not him.
I didn't realise that him being a professional footballer meant that he is beyond criticism. I hope that you have never slagged anyone in any other profession off before you have jacked your job in and gone and done theirs for a minimum of 8 years or so?
And there was me thinking that this was a forum for people to discuss/argue/offer their opinions about various issues to do with CAFC. I must have confused it with somewhere else....
@ bigstemarra
Don't worry about it. WSS referred to my FA coaching qualification, Plaaayer then queried it (tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure), so I confirmed. No more, no less.
I think the basic point that Chirpy Red and I disagree on is whether having the FA badge and several years of semi-pro coaching experience makes me better-qualified to comment on a professional player's strengths and weaknesses. For me it's obvious, but he disagrees. So be it.
Anyway ... must go now. I'm off to the dentist to get my hair cut.
The trouble with most people on here is they read what they want to read rather than what is written.
I'll say it one more time just to make it clear. Anyone can say what they like. Got it? Understand? Ok?
I said there was no need for David to mention his FA badge. Ok someone else mentioned it first but he still brought it up. To me it came across as someone simply saying that his opinion was worth more than the ordinary fan, Davids words as well actually. I disagree.That's my right. I found extremley arrogant. You all may disagree with me, that's your right. Have a referendum on it if you like. I may lose but I wouldn't throw my toys out of the pram like Paddy Ashdown.
Whether David is more qualified to crticise a professional player's strengths and weaknesses than the "ordinary" fan is one thing, but an FA badge certainly does not entitle anyone to simply take the pee out of a professional player. Well no more than any ordinary fan anyway.
My message to Benno would be..........
The goal you scored away at Carlisle was pure quality, but overall, you have under-achieved and started to look like a fringe non-league player - same as Stuart Fleetwood.
Only you can change this, and I would get working on your hit-rate pretty damn quick.
@ Chirpy Red
@ coltthe3rd
This is priceless.
Imagine a CV for a job application such as .. oh, I don't know ... Lion Tamer.
"Fine, fine. But do you, do you have any qualifications?"
"Yes, I've got a hat."
"A hat?"
"Yes, a hat. A lion taming hat. A hat with 'lion tamer' on it. I got it at Harrods. And it lights up saying 'lion tamer' in great big neon letters, so that you can tame them after dark when they're less stroppy."
"I see, I see."
"And you can switch it off during the day time, and claim reasonable wear and tear as allowable professional expenses under paragraph 335C..."
"Yes, yes, yes, I do follow, Mr Anchovy, but you see the snag is... if I now call Mr Chipperfield and say to him, 'look here, I've got a forty-five-year-old chartered accountant with me who wants to become a lion tamer', his first question is not going to be 'does he have his own hat?' He's going to ask what sort of experience you've had with lions."
Listen to yourselves.
Yes, there are people with experience who are worse at your job than you are (in your opinion). But there are 1000 times more people in your job who are better than you because they have experience. Interestingly, they are never they ones to say "there is a guy who is much less experienced than me who does my job better." Curious, eh?
Face facts. Deal with your inadequacies. Don't try to disguise them with 'qualifications and experience mean nothing'.
Show me someone with qualifications and experience who agrees with you.
@Curb_It
You say 'derogatory'. I say accurate. Opinion, eh?
You say '"especially when there are others to pick on." Remind then of the list of players who it is OK to criticse? I haven't seen the Official List.
@ISawleaburnScore
The text is fixed. Format problems on the new site.
You'll need to remind me where the cut-off applies between the 'professional world' and the 'real world." Is an opinion only valid in one or other of these worlds (I thought we lived in a continuous world). I didn't realise that experience and qualifications suddenly became invalid at some arbitrary point.
Will you enlighten us?
@ISawLeaburnScore
Umm .. yes, I can contribute to any discussion without being patronising.
You invented the distinction between the 'professional world' and the 'real world'. I simply asked (and am still waiting) for clarity on what you view that distinction to be.
I have no problem with opinions of others. I simply object to being told that experience and qualifications amount to nothing (by those who have neither).
Imo which I know is worth more than anyone elses FACT
Based on the fact I'm Alan Curbishleys illegitimate love Child so ner ner ner ner ner
Experience at Lion taming should be on every new Charlton signing's CV.
Should come in handy the next time we play Millwall.