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Send back all the loan players -play the Kids

edited March 2011 in General Charlton
Why bring in loan players who are no better than the players we have -and really are not here for Charlton.

Chris Powell has a great chance now to blood on some of the youngsters - rather Lose with Charlton Players of the Future in the team and getting experience than what we have now.
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  • How do you know that Parrett is no better than what we have?

    How do you know that Nouble is no better than we have... do we have that kind of striker at the right stage coming through? The last I heard we had two smaller players in Tuna and Perkins.

    Bringing in youngsters on a mass-scale will shatter their confidence and suck us closer into the bottom, the way to do it is gradual and with an appropriate mix you can't just lump in half a dozen at once for their debuts.
  • Considering Powell has played Solly and Jenkinson since he's been here, I think he knows more than us which youngsters are ready for a run out in a league of cloggers and in front of a very annoyed fan base. From what I've heard about him, Cousins isn't that far off but it's probably not the right time.
  • Jenkinson and Solly look like they can cut it at this level, just a shame they are both right backs!
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: hudson-son-son[/cite]Considering Powell has played Solly and Jenkinson since he's been here, I think he knows more than us which youngsters are ready for a run out in a league of cloggers and in front of a very annoyed fan base. From what I've heard about him, Cousins isn't that far off but it's probably not the right time.[/quote]

    Blood Some of the Youngsters -NOT mass -- and how good Nouble and Parrett are matters not as they will not be here next year...lets gear for 2011/12 --not help out other
  • Have a youngster or two on the bench and when we can give them a run out towards the end of game we are winning (that may be a long time though)
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  • [cite]Posted By: jdsd42[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: hudson-son-son[/cite]Considering Powell has played Solly and Jenkinson since he's been here, I think he knows more than us which youngsters are ready for a run out in a league of cloggers and in front of a very annoyed fan base. From what I've heard about him, Cousins isn't that far off but it's probably not the right time.

    Blood Some of the Youngsters -NOT mass -- and how good Nouble and Parrett are matters not as they will not be here next year...lets gear for 2011/12 --not help out other


    How do you know they wont be? Perhaps powell seems them as potential summer signings and wants to get a good luck at them at the end of this season
  • Maybe a chance to give Callum Harriott a run out at Dagenham in front of a small crowd rather than the Valley masses?
  • I think I'd rather watch a team of Charlton's home grown youngsters getting beat every week, than a team of other clubs youngsters getting beat. Obviously I'd rather watch a football match, but that's not going to happen for a while
  • [cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]Have a youngster or two on the bench and when we can give them a run out towards the end of game we are winning (that may be a long time though)
    I think this is important, 'when we are winning'. The last thing we want to do is start youngsters in a side with little confidence. It's important to build them up not knock them down.
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  • Yeah send them back only been here since Friday. kin hell give them a chance
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  • [quote][cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]Yeah send them back only been here since Friday. kin hell give them a chance[/quote]

    Missing the point - Why not use are own Youth
  • [cite]Posted By: jdsd42[/cite]
    Missing the point - Why not use are own Youth

    cos they are not good enough/ready
  • Personally I don't really buy the idea that bringing youngsters in too early knocks their confidence forever more. However, I would also say that for Powell to being them in now would be as good as giving up on the play-offs, which I think that he still feels is achieveable despite what a lot of the supporters think (me included, sadly).
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: HarryHutchens[/cite]Personally I don't really buy the idea that bringing youngsters in too early knocks their confidence forever more. However, I would also say that for Powell to being them in now would be as good as giving up on the play-offs, which I think that he still feels is achieveable despite what a lot of the supporters think (me included, sadly).[/quote]

    We have blown it sadly ...no the new board blew it ..
  • its mambos time the next game i reckon
  • Llera and Mambo, interesting.
  • In response to the original post, what kids? There is no point blooding young players who are not ready or not good enough and likely to be released.

    Jenkinson has made a very good impact recently and is part of the team. Has proved in two positions he can do a job and is there on merit.
    Solly will get opportunties before the season ends.
    Waggy is already a regular

    Are any others good enough or ready. Cousins and Harriot seem to have good ability and bright futures but Cousins himself has said he hopes to make more of an impact next season, maybe the same with Harriot.

    Mambo, Tuna and Perkins who are young and on pro deals have barely been in any squads this season and I would guess are likely to be let go. None of them have played regularly above the BSS.
  • In Parkinsons half season in the championship we signed a lot of players on loan. These were all Prem/Championship players who we largely had no chance of signing, they didn't have the desired impact and performances didn't really change

    I'd like to think that Parkinson learned from this (or it could have been budget!) but last season we signed players on loan we had a realistic chance of signing on permanent deals, which we did with Sodje, Jackson and Reid. By and large they performed better, as they were playing to win a contract with us.

    Looking at our current loanees, only Bessone is this sort of loan. I can't see any of Nouble, Parret, Ecclestone, Fry or Etheridge playing for us next season unless they are back here on loan. It seems a very short term policy & hope, like Parky, Powell(& the board) changes tack next season
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  • said we need to start bringing more youth players through for ages ,these lads would get more backing than any loan player from the crowd simply because they would be our player , not gonna go on about this subject said it to many times on other threads but i would like to see tuna given a chance even if it is only on the bench played in the championship a couple of times unlike some of the current squad so why not give him game.
  • [cite]Posted By: Imnot Athletic[/cite]In Parkinsons half season in the championship we signed a lot of players on loan. These were all Prem/Championship players who we largely had no chance of signing, they didn't have the desired impact and performances didn't really change

    I'd like to think that Parkinson learned from this (or it could have been budget!) but last season we signed players on loan we had a realistic chance of signing on permanent deals, which we did with Sodje, Jackson and Reid. By and large they performed better, as they were playing to win a contract with us.

    Looking at our current loanees, only Bessone is this sort of loan. I can't see any of Nouble, Parret, Ecclestone, Fry or Etheridge playing for us next season unless they are back here on loan. It seems a very short term policy & hope, like Parky, Powell(& the board) changes tack next season

    I see it a little differently. The problem with the loans in Parky's spell in the Championship (and the end of Pardew's reign) was that most of them were terrible at football. It had nothing to do with whether we were going to sign them permanently or not.

    In the coming years I can see some changes being made to the loan rules. It just seems ridiculous to me that a team can send out almost an entire mini-squad of loanees which can massively effect the outcome of several divisions. I think the other week Leicester had an entire back 5 of players they didn't own.
  • [cite]Posted By: jdsd42[/cite]Missing the point - Why not use are own Youth

    did you give Jonjo Shelvey your unswerving, unqualified support last season?
  • You cannot blood youngsters in a team on such a poor run. You could permanently affect their future chances / confidence etc. Youngsters need to be nurtured and brought through slowly, not have the demands of turning around a season thrust onto their shoulders.
  • If a player is ready then this would certainly be a good opportunity to take, 10-12 games with no real expectation and no pressure of having to do anything other than avoid relegation. If he isn’t ready however, then you are just throwing him (and his future career) to the wolves because you are frustrated with the current sides performances which is bang out of order.
  • [cite]Posted By: Imnot Athletic[/cite]In Parkinsons half season in the championship we signed a lot of players on loan. These were all Prem/Championship players who we largely had no chance of signing, they didn't have the desired impact and performances didn't really change

    I'd like to think that Parkinson learned from this (or it could have been budget!) but last season we signed players on loan we had a realistic chance of signing on permanent deals, which we did with Sodje, Jackson and Reid. By and large they performed better, as they were playing to win a contract with us.

    Looking at our current loanees, only Bessone is this sort of loan. I can't see any of Nouble, Parret, Ecclestone, Fry or Etheridge playing for us next season unless they are back here on loan. It seems a very short term policy & hope, like Parky, Powell(& the board) changes tack next season

    Nouble was brought in on loan because Anyinsah is injured and Benson is suspended for 4 matches and we needed a striker who can hold the ball up to play alonsgide BWP - as far as I know we do not have such a player in the "reserves". Fry was brought in to cover for Youga and Jackson and to allow Jackson to move into MF - again I have not heard of any young left backs at the club knocking on the door hence Jenkinson being asked to deputise recently. Parrett has been brought in because midfield is an area in which we are particularly crap - particularly on the creative side, Eheridge was brought in to cover for Worner whilst Elliott is injured - the only loan which doesn't really make sense is Esslestone but only becuase the subsequent signing of BWP has made it difficult to find a starting place for him - prior to the signing of BWP he would have slotted in well alongside Abbott or Anyinsah.
  • cousins and mambo cant be any worse than dailly or docherty
  • [cite]Posted By: Ledge[/cite]cousins and mambo cant be any worse than dailly or docherty
    They can.
  • People generally whine about wanting youngsters to be played until they've made a couple of errors and then they turn on them. Wagstaff has weighed in with a fair number of goals and tireless performances - whatever you think of his game nobody can deny that - but there's a thread in which a lot of people are irritated with him. This idea that people will go easier on youngsters, doesn't stack up. Lisbee, Sankofa, Sam and Campbell-Ryce all went very quickly from big hopes for the future to written off flops.

    I just don't see the young players enough to be able to say whether they have any kind of a view on how they might fare in competitive games or how being thrown into competitive games too early might affect their development.
  • Just how many of the people saying 'Play the kids' have seen any of them play?
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