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Scott Wagstaff

edited March 2011 in General Charlton
McCormack, Docherty, Elliot, Benson, Francis, Reid, Etc have understandably come in for criticism recently but Wagstaff for me has been one of the worst in recent games & Thought he was absolutely shocking once again today! He didn't seem to want the ball, doesn't try to take it past players, kept kicking the ball aimlessly into nowhere & wasted a glorious chance in the 1st half. He's been so inneffective recently that it's like playing with 10 men, Bring Back Llyod Sam!!
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  • He's such a lightweight. Ive not seen a player get knocked off the ball as much in a long time.
  • Get real. Excellent today apart from wayward shot. Although Jenkinson is great he noticeably linked better with Solly.
  • [cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]Get real. Excellent today apart from wayward shot.

    Can I have some of your drugs?
    Or maybe the use of your glasses?

    Can anyone please tell me how Wagstaff gets involved in ANY game unless he's in the area trying to get on the end of something?

    He is pacey and he has an eye for goal and he runs his knackers off however, he is reluctant to beat a man, he rarely crosses the ball and gets lost for large swathes of the game at a time. We need to find a way to get him more involved because the boy is lost out there on his own and I don't want that at all.
  • Cannot understand why Powell hasn't played him in that central midfield role that he played in Powells first game.
    He want's and needs to be far more involved in the game than he is when stuck out on the wing. He has a great attitude will run all day and can score goals. One of the only players in the team who can actually shoot and is a good finisher (usually).
    I think Powell is missing a trick by keeping him on the wing when we are so short of creativity in midfield.
  • The guy is not a winger. He rarely ever manages to cross the ball. Should not be in the team.
  • His goal record is impressive and he has the most assists for any charlton player this year
    I don't know why but I just think there's something missing
    Energy and attitude is spot on , maybe he's been charltonised
    His lack of crossing and beating of a man worries me
    As pointed above maybe the wing isn't his best place but like most of our team the reason we aren't going up is cos these players aren't good enough
    Although they certainly performed better under parky !
  • More effective running from a deep central position. But can't play there in Powells current formations.
  • Oh so it's Scott Wagstaff that's going to be the scapegoat now is it? Because we've been through everyone else over the years haven't we? Ambrose, Thomas, Bailey and Sam are few names that spring to mind when I think back to the senseless crap dished out to them while they were in Charlton colours.

    Because we're in so much a better position now than when we had those players, aren't we.

    It's shit like this that makes me wish had never bothered to read this message board, it really is.

    Wagstaff is one of ours, he's a Charlton boy. Get behind him or get lost.
  • [cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]Get real. Excellent today apart from wayward shot. Although Jenkinson is great he noticeably linked better with Solly.

    Ive seen a couple of comments from you and they go to prove you didnt go anywere near The Valley Yesterday. Or if you did you stayed in the bar.
  • [cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]Oh so it's Scott Wagstaff that's going to be the scapegoat now is it? Because we've been through everyone else over the years haven't we? Ambrose, Thomas, Bailey and Sam are few names that spring to mind when I think back to the senseless crap dished out to them while they were in Charlton colours.

    Because we're in so much a better position now than when we had those players, aren't we.

    It's shit like this that makes me wish had never bothered to read this message board, it really is.

    Wagstaff is one of ours, he's a Charlton boy. Get behind him or get lost.

    So because he's " One of ours" he's beyond criticism? it's you who needs to get real. He's been crap for months.
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  • He can play as a winger but only against tiring defenders - he just runs into fresh ones/ Johhny Robinson used to do this but had such heart that it worked for him - Waggy often comes out second best until his excellent engine comes into play.
  • edited March 2011
    played better under parky! and peacock
  • Big problem with this team at the moment we have no width at the minute and are not running at teams and putting crosses into the danger area causing problems for defenders
  • [cite]Posted By: Valley_floyd_red[/cite]Oh so it's Scott Wagstaff that's going to be the scapegoat now is it? Because we've been through everyone else over the years haven't we? Ambrose, Thomas, Bailey and Sam are few names that spring to mind when I think back to the senseless crap dished out to them while they were in Charlton colours.

    Because we're in so much a better position now than when we had those players, aren't we.

    It's shit like this that makes me wish had never bothered to read this message board, it really is.

    Wagstaff is one of ours, he's a Charlton boy. Get behind him or get lost.

    Absolutely pointless post.

    Read the previous posts. People are worried about the lad. They are worried about his form and his role within the team. They are worried something is "missing". Everybody wants him to succeed but whether he is from the academy or outer Mongolia he isn't doing it at the moment and is one of the main areas in our team that needs to be addressed as it's part of our absolutely catastrophic midfield.

    How is it that some players have to be impervious to criticism?
  • I'd have ecclestone starting ahead of him right now
  • [cite]Posted By: Folev the red[/cite]I'd have ecclestone starting ahead of him right now

    What are you basing that on?

    Ecclestone will not defend and will leave whoever is playing at right back totally exposed.

    Other than a couple of cameo's from the bench I've seen nothing to suggest that Ecclestone is any better than what we have here already.

    Wagstaff has gone totally off the boil, to be honest other than chipping in with some goals has he really be at it at all this season?.

    Felt at the start of the season it was a problem position, basically Wagstaff since Martin went back, has had little or no competition for his place.
  • poor mans John Robinson
  • [cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]He can play as a winger but only against tiring defenders - he just runs into fresh ones/ Johhny Robinson used to do this but had such heart that it worked for him - Waggy often comes out second best until his excellent engine comes into play.
    For me Wagstaff has as much heart/passion whatever you call it as Robinson, but Robinson was a much better player. He was part of a very good Champ (well Division 1) team and could compete in the Prem.

    Wagstaff will keep working at his game and improving. We perhaps need to find the right role and position for him. He's not got the skill to beat a player easily and he's probably not going to be the type to ever get loads of crosses in.

    If Powell tries to build a squad to play good football in a 4-3-3 I could see him getting more involved in games. We know he can score goals and if he finds some space will set up a few. Imagine if we have a couple of midfielders who can take control of a game, a striker bringing others into play. In a good team in this league, if he's used in the right way, Wagstaff could probably score even more than he has this season. With his energy and work rate he can also help make it a 5 man midfield when needed.
  • edited March 2011
    At the age Waggy is now John Robinson was by no means the finished article.

    EDIT: It took Robbo 3 or 4 years to become an accepted regular in the side after he joined us.

    Waggy lacks a trick which is his big problem as a winger. Against that he has a better engine and more of an eye for goal than most wingers.
  • Has any player ever had his name mis-spelt as often as Eccleston?
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  • [cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]Has any player ever had his name mis-spelt as often as Eccleston?
    Doherty probaly.
  • Anyinsah. Or as some prefer to call him for that very reason, Joe.
  • I would like to see Wagstaff play as the creative midfielder, but he needs some serious weight training if he was to play there.

    Given the recent poor form of Waggy and the apparent ineptitude of Reidy at the moment, I don't see why we can' change the way we set up our team completely.

    Francis, Bessone, Solly and Jenkinson are all quite attacking full backs, so why don't we play a narrow midfield, with Semedo dropping back into the anchor man position when we are attacking, and let the full backs push on a lot more?

    Yes, Francis is properly cack quite a lot of the time, but he has got a good cross on him (when his radar isn't set to effing smash it) and Jenkinson has already had a couple of pops at goal, meaning he is getting into good attacking positions. Personally, I would like to see us play Semedo, Jackson and Racon in the middle, with Wright-Phillips and Anyinsah up top, and Wagstaff playing in a free role position between the front two and the midfield, he certainly has the stamina to run about finding the space for 90 minutes.

    Surely we couldn't do any worse than we have done the past couple of months!
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    [cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]Has any player ever had his name mis-spelt as often as Eccleston?

    Jonny Jakson
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]At the age Waggy is now John Robinson was by no means the finished article.

    EDIT: It took Robbo 3 or 4 years to become an accepted regular in the side after he joined us.

    Waggy lacks a trick which is his big problem as a winger. Against that he has a better engine and more of an eye for goal than most wingers.

    Agreed, he's another player who would look better with better players around him. Unlike many in our team, he is at least good at what he's suppossed to be good at, i.e. he has good energy levels and an eye for goal. If we had proper creativity elsewhere he'd be involved more because the ball would make it to him in better areas and some of his deficiencies would look less glaring because others would be covering for him. He'd benefit greatly from a trick but that lack of out right skill never really held Robbo back, it just took him time to learn how to maximise his abilities. In those days we had people like Newton, Mortimer and Kins providing some proper skill and flair, Robbo busied himself on the wing working his nuts of and getting into double figures for goalscoring. He's a cult hero (and rightly so) but truth be told he didn't do masses more than Waggy currently does (certainly no more than Waggy is capable of given time to develop) he just did it in better side. I think I think Waggy is attacking his fullback and trying to get to the byline more, but how often is he given the ball in an area where he can really do that?

    Waggy has the attributes to do well in the right team. Hopefully we'll be building that right team in the summer and we'll see him really shine.
  • Wagstaff can't play as a creative midfileder because he isn't creative. Yes he is not as good as Robinson but I was making a point that Robinson wasn't so hot at beating players with skill, he just seemed to find a way through somehow - of course you can't accuse Waggy of not trying and he suddenly becomes effective in the latter stages of games because he never stops and has an excellent engine. I think there could be a role for him in a mobile front 3 but there is a question mark if our players have the flexibility or our coaching has the imagination to make this happen - don't know which but probably one of the 2 will put paid to that. As an out and out winger he hasn't for me got the necessary attributes- maybe he has potential to be converted to an attacking right back but this is an area we seem to be strong in.
  • Agree Exiled.

    Look at some of Blackpool's players. I don't know much about them but I've seen some of their line-ups in the last year or so. Surely players like Taylor-Fletcher, Ormerod even Varney aren't the most skillful, but they probably all work very hard and learn their role in the team.

    In fact they let Bouazza go, you'd think he's more talented but a hard worker playing for the team can be more useful. Just need the players that can create and dominate the game elsewhere in the team.
  • edited March 2011
    Yes, if you get the balance right - players that look like weak links can become strengths - Waggy certainly has attributes -but I don't think his future is as a winger if he is going to be succesful - well not at a higher level than league 1 or 2 at least. He has showed that he has an eye for goal and there was potential playing more central. I'd like to see him play more central as part of a front 3 but with license to go wide on occasions- think he would be much harder to deal with and I believe BWP and Anyinsah would suit this approach. Problem is Anyinsah would be very important and he is a crock.

    This would also require getting more width from the full backs - I think we are ok on the right side but a problem is on the left. Powell might think differently but you can sort of see how planning for next season could develop.
  • Confidence is the problem imo.
  • Some people have very selective memories. Johhny Robinson did become a very good player for us. However when he first joined he was in and out of the side and it he didnt become a good player until quite a lot older. Waggy is still very young and will become an excellent player. To me he has still been one of our better players but this run seems to have drained his confidence. This often happens with young players. Older players become more experienced (suprising that( and have seen bad runs before so it doesnt affect them.
    I will be suprised if he doesnt come good and become a decent championship player (hopefully with us!)
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