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The case for the defence of Chris Powell

I know it will be my turn to be ripped apart but I honestly feel people have gone a little over the top with this Powell out rubbish/bring Parky back mantra etc etc.
The poor bloke has inherited a squad which has no backbone, a squad which may have beaten Peterboro 5-1 away but in fairness had sneaked and scraped wins apart from that this season (anyone else remember Swindon and Walsall at home under Parky?). Surely the best anyone thought we would get would be a play-off place, as our team is now truly full of old stagers and honest league one pro's? I honestly think even his one signing, BWP, was done for him rather than by him, a statement of intent by the board, while really just asset stripping Plymouth of their best player.

Yes, some of the selections are a little strange (How McOxo is playing I do not know), but I really think he needs to be given his own pre-season, his own signings, the chance to offload deadwood this summer (fortune etc), and THEN be judged on the first 15 games of next season. I also think the injuries at this level are significant as we have a paper thin squad quality wise.

Why are most people expecting us to have a divine right to go up this season, that we should be "small" teams like Exeter and Carlisle? This kind of condescending attitude has to stop, we are now a small fish in a big league one pond, and will have to earn anything we get from now on.

Please people give the bloke a break, he's been in charge for 11 games, and demanding his head now without ever giving him a chance on his own terms would be a mistake.

I case for the defence rests your honour.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Mortimerwasgod[/cite]I know it will be my turn to be ripped apart but I honestly feel people have gone a little over the top with this Powell out rubbish/bring Parky back mantra etc etc.
    The poor bloke has inherited a squad which has no backbone, a squad which may have beaten Peterboro 5-1 away but in fairness had sneaked and scraped wins apart from that this season (anyone else remember Swindon and Walsall at home under Parky?). Surely the best anyone thought we would get would be a play-off place, as our team is now truly full of old stagers and honest league one pro's? I honestly think even his one signing, BWP, was done for him rather than by him, a statement of intent by the board, while really just asset stripping Plymouth of their best player.

    Yes, some of the selections are a little strange (How McOxo is playing I do not know), but I really think he needs to be given his own pre-season, his own signings, the chance to offload deadwood this summer (fortune etc), and THEN be judged on the first 15 games of next season. I also think the injuries at this level are significant as we have a paper thin squad quality wise.

    Why are most people expecting us to have a divine right to go up this season, that we should be "small" teams like Exeter and Carlisle? This kind of condescending attitude has to stop, we are now a small fish in a big league one pond, and will have to earn anything we get from now on.

    Please people give the bloke a break, he's been in charge for 11 games, and demanding his head now without ever giving him a chance on his own terms would be a mistake.

    I case for the defence rests your honour.

    I totally agree with everything you said and can't add anymore to that.
  • [cite]Posted By: Mortimerwasgod[/cite]I know it will be my turn to be ripped apart but I honestly feel people have gone a little over the top with this Powell out rubbish/bring Parky back mantra etc etc.
    The poor bloke has inherited a squad which has no backbone, a squad which may have beaten Peterboro 5-1 away but in fairness had sneaked and scraped wins apart from that this season (anyone else remember Swindon and Walsall at home under Parky?). Surely the best anyone thought we would get would be a play-off place, as our team is now truly full of old stagers and honest league one pro's? I honestly think even his one signing, BWP, was done for him rather than by him, a statement of intent by the board, while really just asset stripping Plymouth of their best player.

    Yes, some of the selections are a little strange (How McOxo is playing I do not know), but I really think he needs to be given his own pre-season, his own signings, the chance to offload deadwood this summer (fortune etc), and THEN be judged on the first 15 games of next season. I also think the injuries at this level are significant as we have a paper thin squad quality wise.

    Why are most people expecting us to have a divine right to go up this season, that we should be "small" teams like Exeter and Carlisle? This kind of condescending attitude has to stop, we are now a small fish in a big league one pond, and will have to earn anything we get from now on.

    Please people give the bloke a break, he's been in charge for 11 games, and demanding his head now without ever giving him a chance on his own terms would be a mistake.

    I case for the defence rests your honour.
    Most people know we don't have a divine right to go up, what they do expect is for us to be competitive and to have a spirit and determination when they go out to play. We're getting beat week in, week out with little moer than a whimper and it's the worse it seems to be getting. If anything Powelly has a better team than Parky's team when he got sacked and we have gone spirling down the table.
  • I am not going to argue with your defence of Powell. The summer will be a very telling time for Charlton and I for one still have faith that Powell and the board will deliver.
  • It's not about promotion anymore, it's about having a team that will actually compete, or rather not compete as we find it currently. If there were promising signs, then yes that would be a mitigating factor but the fact is the kindest thing to be said is that we are not playing any better than before, let alone getting results.
  • There is no defence to excuse a nice man who is totally inept and out of his depth as a manager
  • [cite]Posted By: Mortimerwasgod[/cite]
    The poor bloke has inherited a squad which has no backbone, a squad which may have beaten Peterboro 5-1 away but in fairness had sneaked and scraped wins apart from that this season (anyone else remember Swindon and Walsall at home under Parky?).

    He has now added 3 or 4 of his acquisitions to the squad - the fact that he chooses not to play most of them is perhaps an issue.

    I think most people would take a sneaky or scraped win 'round about now.

    Defence case thrown out.
  • edited March 2011
    At last, someone taking common sense and dealing with reality. Well said, Mortimerwasgod, and thanks for starting this thread.

    Nobody likes losing. But we've been losing and sliding downwards for a long time now - and for the first time in several years, there is every reason to believe that the 2011-12 season will be the start of Charlton's climb back from the depths we have plumbed over the last 2-3 years.

    It really is time to look forward to the hope which the Slater/Jiminez/Powell era offers rather than to conitnue torturing ourselves with the failures of the Pardew/Parkinson years.
  • The excuses for Powell must stop. He's being paid to do a job, if this job can't start until next season can I suggest we freeze his salary until then. Can I remind you 1 point in 21. I would like him to succeed but turning up week after week with the same 4-4-2 is not going to work. Please try to be a little imagintive, even with the squad at his disposal he must be able to make something happen.
  • [cite]Posted By: wellie[/cite]I would like him to succeed but turning up week after week with the same 4-4-2 is not going to work. Please try to be a little imagintive, even with the squad at his disposal he must be able to make something happen.

    To be honest this is the last thing we want. I think he's almost tried to be too imaginative... like a kid with a new toy he's tried out every possibility and capability in such a short space of time. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many different formations and systems he's used in 11 games. We need stability and a settled side.
  • Please enlighten me. Apart from his 3 up front blip where the variation you speak of?
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  • [cite]Posted By: Lincsaddick[/cite]There is no defence to excuse a nice man who is totally inept and out of his depth as a manager

    I am glad someone else has said that....the same applies to the new board
  • Keep the faith
  • I don't think we would gain anything from sacking him now, even Mourinho wouldn't be able to get us up now so I think we should see how the season ends. If we do get dragged down even further then I wouldn't be dissapointed to see him go but if we remain the same then we should keep him. What's important is that if he has a bad first 10 games or so next season he's got to go and give enough time for another manager to keep our chances of going up alive, rather than us waiting until it is too late.
  • so your happy with this dross to continue then? we are going one way under powell and that isnt up, he has to go NOW
  • [cite]Posted By: mparsons1[/cite]so your happy with this dross to continue then? we are going one way under powell and that isnt up, he has to go NOW

    FFS. Behave!
  • The people calling for the managers head will always be louder when things aren't going well just look at this board after the Brighton home match, so well done on coming out and saying what you think Mortimerwasgod. I'm undecided about Powell, and I'm not totally sure whether it is only my heart that thinks we should stick by him. That said I do agree he has inherited a lot of rubbish but then most were saying Parky should have been doing better with this team. He does need longer and a whole pre season with a clear out and some new signings in pretty much every position however we have also been saying this for the last couple of years with Parky as well. I was one of those calling for him to go after that Brighton game and I will admit that was probably the wrong decision.

    So to summarise I have no idea what I want
  • [cite]Posted By: mparsons1[/cite]so your happy with this dross to continue then? we are going one way under powell and that isnt up, he has to go NOW

    And what would be the point of that? No manager of any worth will come to us while we are in this league position and with this squad. We have to write this season off and cull the squad at the end of the season. it's as easy as that.
  • there isnt any glimmer of good play that we can say powell has brought in, the team look like they havent got a clue what there doing half the time and i think powell doesnt either. We took a gamble with him and it hasnt paid off time to realise this and change things around
  • Mortimerwasgod - I agree with everything you said.


    PL54 - He has now added 3 or 4 of his acquisitions to the squad - the fact that he chooses not to play most of them is perhaps an issue.

    ? Ecclestone was bought in before he arrived, Bessone has played whenever he is fit, BWP has played every game bar 1 i beleive, Nouble was thrown in a few hours after signing and who really expected a kid from Spurs to start the day after signing - I do beleive it is your case that is thrown out!
  • [cite]Posted By: wellie[/cite]Please enlighten me. Apart from his 3 up front blip where the variation you speak of?

    From what I've seen... in 11 games we have played:

    4-4-2 with two speedy strikers, trying to keep the ball on the floor
    4-4-2 with a big lump as one of the strikers, trying to hit him with the long ball
    4-4-2 with 2 out and out wingers
    4-4-2 in a more balanced style with 1 out and out winger and a central midfield "holding" the other wing
    4-4-1-1 with Wagstaff buzzing in and around the main striker
    4-3-3
    4-5-1
    4-2-3-1
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  • [cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: wellie[/cite]Please enlighten me. Apart from his 3 up front blip where the variation you speak of?

    From what I've seen... in 11 games we have played:

    4-4-2 with two speedy strikers, trying to keep the ball on the floor
    4-4-2 with a big lump as one of the strikers, trying to hit him with the long ball
    4-4-2 with 2 out and out wingers
    4-4-2 in a more balanced style with 1 out and out winger and a central midfield "holding" the other wing
    4-4-1-1 with Wagstaff buzzing in and around the main striker
    4-3-3
    4-5-1
    4-2-3-1

    This makes him look like Mike Bassett!
  • Clem I've tried less formations on football manager, I just think he's getting a bit carried away and needs to come up with something that plays to our strengths (we have two fellas who can stick the ball in the net and have bags of pace) and stick to it.
  • great opening post, couldn't add anything more

    what I will say though is that Powell will need a cracking start to next season !
  • Whose supplying these goalscores. Certainly not our central midfield Mccormack has started 9 of Powells games for christsake. Take a chance, the formation is never changed during a game. Occasional 3 at the back, push Francis on, he can't defend but he can cross and has been our most creative player in games. Lateral thinking we're so easy to play against!
  • [cite]Posted By: Mortimerwasgod[/cite]I know it will be my turn to be ripped apart

    Not by me mate, I've got your back.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: mparsons1[/cite]there isnt any glimmer of good play that we can say powell has brought in, the team look like they havent got a clue what there doing half the time and i think powell doesnt either. We took a gamble with him and it hasnt paid off time to realise this and change things around[/quote]

    You're on the wrong thread, the bitching and moaning thread is elsewhere.
  • sorry, but he has had long enough to find out that McOxo isn't good enough and that we don't have anyone who can put a killer ball through to our strikers.

    Until he drops McOxo and finds a playmaker for our midfield then the jury is well & truely out.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]sorry, but he has had long enough to find out that McOxo isn't good enough and that we don't have anyone who can put a killer ball through to our strikers.

    Until he drops McOxo and finds a playmaker for our midfield then the jury is well & truely out.[/quote]

    I suspect that he knows full well that he isn't good enough, if we can see it, so can he, but who else is there in our squad? I've no idea what he's doing behind the scenes but I presume he is trying to draft in a loanee or two, but you can only get players in if their clubs allow them to move and if the player concerned wants to come to the club.
  • [cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]I've no idea what he's doing behind the scenes but I presume he is trying to draft in a loanee or two

    We now have 6 in the squad.

    You can only have 5 on matchday.

    Until Elliot is fit and/or Fry's loan is not extended we can hardly be bringing in any more.

    What I want to know is out of Nouble and Parrett, one is an emergency measure, one is in a position we have been crying out for since July. How is it that Nouble went straight in and Parrett did not when it is patently obvious which need is more crucial... Parrett has even played several games in this division this season already.
  • Finally some common sense.
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