Some on here should have seen the stand ups at the Valley club or seen Jimmy Jones ------ Davidson jokes wise was a product of his era-------sung by many at the Valley in those days a song about Vince Hillier.
Was he funny then yes-------------is he funny now no.
Davidson is a Tory he makes no apologies for that -----why should he. So before we even opens his gob the Guardianistas wet themselves.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]At the time I thought his jokes were more cringe worthy that out right racist. Not very funny either.
As people of said it was of its time and there was a lot, lot more offensive stuff than his doing the rounds and some of it on TV.
However wife-beating was wrong in the 70s and it was wrong when he was doing it do his wife. For that alone he has zero respect from me.
Interesting stuff. A quick question - do we like Tony Hancock? A drunken wife beater and one of the funniest men around.
I think you have to seperate the art from the artist.
tommy cooper was another yet he's well loved.
No, don't like Hancock. Funny yes, very. Do I like him as a person? No.
Didn't know that about Tommy Cooper but if so then the same.
Seem to remember some posters slating Russell Brand (who I don't find funny or like) for far less than beating up a woman.
People boo'd Lee Hughes for something he did when boozed/drugged up (and rightly so IMHO) and for which he has been punished. So when do we forgive him or should we separate his "art" ie his football from the "artist".
Didn't watch this interview but heard him on a radio 4 arts programme a few weeks ago.
I've never liked him largely because I just didn't think him very funny (mainly on the basis of that Round the Elephant sitcom) but he came across pretty well in the interview. He's obviously trying deperately to reinvent himself and his team have done brilliantly at getting his name out there.
Re Tony Hancock and Tommy Cooper, their reputations as comics survive because they were geniuses. I doubt that even JD's mum would say that he is
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]didn't our own captain fantastic shirtliff have a dabble in disciplining women the wrong way
he did physically assault his wife and went way down in my estimation as a result. Doubt he could care less what I think but to me it is still wrong regardless of what the guy did for the Club.
Jim Davidson is hated for being a Tory, but at least he was upfront with it and not sly.
Many current left wing/liberal comics advertise very right wing institutions like banks (Stephen Merchant does Barclays for instance) and they get away scot free with abuse as it doesn't suit people's political leanings.
Interesting thing happened yesterday - I was at a training session where role play was involved (steady on!) and one of the black guys started using a very strong Jamaican accent - it was very funny, but would one of the white guys have got away with it? By the way, in that scenario he was supposed to be acting as someone with limited English language and said he couldn't think of another language to fake in the short time given.
I can't abide viloence in any form and I do not like JD for more reasons than this, but it is one of the reasons.
In the late 70s I lived near his first wife in a council estate and often wondered as a young kid, why she lived there and he was living in luxury as descibed again and again on the front pages
Saw Jim Davidson here in Perth, WA about 18 months, Was with a Leed's mate, and 3 aussie birds that had never really heard of him. Top, top night, The aussie girls absolutley loved him! (I know what is coming here, aussie + racist?). He really was top drawer, made jokes about everyone - fat or thin, black or white, gay or straight.
Still mentioned and spoke about the addicks and the area during the show. Spoke as fondly as anyone and all the brits in the audience (98% of 'em) loved the stuff involving the forces, and their work, wether 'right or wrong in peoples eyes' as Jim Davidson said.
After his show, which was at the theatre in Burswood Casino complex, we went into the Casino area and shared a good few drinks with the fella at the sports bar. Chatting about the addicks with him, while chatting about everything else about my mates and friends. Me mate, the Leeds fan chatted for ages about Leeds stuff and the 1986/87 play off final, Shirtliff, Lee Bowyer, Danny Mills etc,etc. With the aussie's girl's ribbing him about cricket and rugby, and him having a proper crack with us.
Top, top bloke and like said before on here, a Fellow addick who loves this club. Same as most of us!
I think whether you like him or not definitely seems to be an age thing. If you're around about the same age as JD, you're probably thinking of some of the things you said or did around the same time, and you know by condemning him you're in a way condemning yourself.
One thing that does seems to get used quite often on here is the JD - Little Britain comparison. In Little Britain the characters they play are different colours and sexes but the humour is about the characters personality not their race or gender. With JD when he did the 'Chalky' impressions the "humour" was all about the race.
I think this is a real problem with people who are racist. They know in modern society they shouldn’t say something racist but they don’t know why. I think the blame does lie with the way people have been taught about racism that so many don’t understand why it is wrong.
You’re also going to get a generation of people who are set in their ways and will hark back to the “good old days” when everyone was white and had a job and there was no crime and everyone was polite to each other etc etc
[quote][cite]Posted By: ChrisWhytesBaldhead[/cite]I think whether you like him or not definitely seems to be an age thing. If you're around about the same age as JD, you're probably thinking of some of the things you said or did around the same time, and you know by condemning him you're in a way condemning yourself.
One thing that does seems to get used quite often on here is the JD - Little Britain comparison. In Little Britain the characters they play are different colours and sexes but the humour is about the characters personality not their race or gender. With JD when he did the 'Chalky' impressions the "humour" was all about the race.
I think this is a real problem with people who are racist. They know in modern society they shouldn’t say something racist but they don’t know why. I think the blame does lie with the way people have been taught about racism that so many don’t understand why it is wrong.
You’re also going to get a generation of people who are set in their ways and will hark back to the “good old days” when everyone was white and had a job and there was no crime and everyone was polite to each other etc etc[/quote]
They probably were good old days. (colour issue aside obv)
The problem with the good old days is that they don't exist. The human brain is very good a censoring the past and only remembering the bits it wants to.
[cite]Posted By: randy andy[/cite]The problem with the good old days is that they don't exist. The human brain is very good a censoring the past and only remembering the bits it wants to.
Very true.
The good old days of the 70s. Mass unemployment, strikes, three day weeks, UK taking loans off the International monetary fund, high inflation, Prog Rock, Charlton in Division 3.
Just be thankful those days will never return : - )
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?? You don't know any Irish then? They tell the BEST Irish jokes
tommy cooper was another yet he's well loved.
Was he funny then yes-------------is he funny now no.
Davidson is a Tory he makes no apologies for that -----why should he. So before we even opens his gob the Guardianistas wet themselves.
No, don't like Hancock. Funny yes, very. Do I like him as a person? No.
Didn't know that about Tommy Cooper but if so then the same.
Seem to remember some posters slating Russell Brand (who I don't find funny or like) for far less than beating up a woman.
People boo'd Lee Hughes for something he did when boozed/drugged up (and rightly so IMHO) and for which he has been punished. So when do we forgive him or should we separate his "art" ie his football from the "artist".
Jim Davidson, foul mouthed, racist, homophobic comedian, is an act, some obviously find it distasteful, but it's still an act...
I've met and spoke with Jim Davidson, along with many other 'controversial' comedians and they really are 'quite normal' people back stage...
Slagging off a comedian's 'stage character' merely shows an inability to separate fact from the fiction...
I've never liked him largely because I just didn't think him very funny (mainly on the basis of that Round the Elephant sitcom) but he came across pretty well in the interview. He's obviously trying deperately to reinvent himself and his team have done brilliantly at getting his name out there.
Re Tony Hancock and Tommy Cooper, their reputations as comics survive because they were geniuses. I doubt that even JD's mum would say that he is
he did physically assault his wife and went way down in my estimation as a result. Doubt he could care less what I think but to me it is still wrong regardless of what the guy did for the Club.
Many current left wing/liberal comics advertise very right wing institutions like banks (Stephen Merchant does Barclays for instance) and they get away scot free with abuse as it doesn't suit people's political leanings.
Bill Hicks was right.
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgUWTquztGY
Definitely a chip off the old block...
Pics please
More dancing shows for them then ;-)
The 70's tv is so different compared to now, and rightly so. That was then and that entertainment was acceptable back then.
I can't abide viloence in any form and I do not like JD for more reasons than this, but it is one of the reasons.
In the late 70s I lived near his first wife in a council estate and often wondered as a young kid, why she lived there and he was living in luxury as descibed again and again on the front pages
Still mentioned and spoke about the addicks and the area during the show. Spoke as fondly as anyone and all the brits in the audience (98% of 'em) loved the stuff involving the forces, and their work, wether 'right or wrong in peoples eyes' as Jim Davidson said.
After his show, which was at the theatre in Burswood Casino complex, we went into the Casino area and shared a good few drinks with the fella at the sports bar. Chatting about the addicks with him, while chatting about everything else about my mates and friends. Me mate, the Leeds fan chatted for ages about Leeds stuff and the 1986/87 play off final, Shirtliff, Lee Bowyer, Danny Mills etc,etc. With the aussie's girl's ribbing him about cricket and rugby, and him having a proper crack with us.
Top, top bloke and like said before on here, a Fellow addick who loves this club. Same as most of us!
One thing that does seems to get used quite often on here is the JD - Little Britain comparison. In Little Britain the characters they play are different colours and sexes but the humour is about the characters personality not their race or gender. With JD when he did the 'Chalky' impressions the "humour" was all about the race.
I think this is a real problem with people who are racist. They know in modern society they shouldn’t say something racist but they don’t know why. I think the blame does lie with the way people have been taught about racism that so many don’t understand why it is wrong.
You’re also going to get a generation of people who are set in their ways and will hark back to the “good old days” when everyone was white and had a job and there was no crime and everyone was polite to each other etc etc
One thing that does seems to get used quite often on here is the JD - Little Britain comparison. In Little Britain the characters they play are different colours and sexes but the humour is about the characters personality not their race or gender. With JD when he did the 'Chalky' impressions the "humour" was all about the race.
I think this is a real problem with people who are racist. They know in modern society they shouldn’t say something racist but they don’t know why. I think the blame does lie with the way people have been taught about racism that so many don’t understand why it is wrong.
You’re also going to get a generation of people who are set in their ways and will hark back to the “good old days” when everyone was white and had a job and there was no crime and everyone was polite to each other etc etc[/quote]
They probably were good old days. (colour issue aside obv)
Look at the state of things now.
Very true.
The good old days of the 70s. Mass unemployment, strikes, three day weeks, UK taking loans off the International monetary fund, high inflation, Prog Rock, Charlton in Division 3.
Just be thankful those days will never return : - )