[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
I too was wondering what Powell was doing sitting on that £55m when he could have gone out and bought Suarez and Carroll.
He's had no real opportunity to use the transfer market to turn around a team that was already failing. The players he has brought in, BWP and Bessone, are both improvements on what we had but one's injured and the other's walking wounded. He'll come good, but he needs the chance to bring in the players that will play the way he wants - and no-one's gonna persuade me that a team with Francis and McOxo in it is anything but mediocre.
Sorry but your suggestion that we might ' storm into the play offs ' leads me to believe that you are not really understanding our current situation. The only place that this squad could storm into is League Two.
This reminds me of the Championship year when we fell away from the play offs and slid down the table towards relegation and everyone said "Get real, you don't know anything, we'll bounce back soon, the wins are just around the corner, it'll come good, etc, etc".
We all remember that right? I am very concerned right now actually because I am sensing a team that could potentially freefall. With so many of the squad out of contract who will give a toss? They are certainly not playing like they give a toss are they, anyone?
Riko did we not bring in BWP and Ecclestone under powell then? or is that my imagination running wild. We are in league 3 and those two are championship quality.If it was failing then m8 what the f*uk do you call it now!
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Riko did we not bring in BWP and Ecclestone under powell then? or is that my imagination running wild. We are in league 3 and those two are championship quality.If it was failing then m8 what the f*uk do you call it now!
Yes, your imagination is running very wild, Eccleston was brought in before powell.
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
It is not a FACT. Fact refers to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. It is his OPINION not FACT. Can we drop the childish insults it really is tiresome.Just because his opinion is different to your own. If you don't agree with someones OPINION just debate logically presenting cogent reasons. God being on here with some people is like being in the playground.
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
It is not a FACT. Fact refers to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. It is his OPINION not FACT. Can we drop the childish insults it really is tiresome.Just because his opinion is different to your own. If you don't agree with someones OPINION just debate logically presenting cogent reasons. God being on here with some people is like being in the playground.
The fact that he wants Chris Powell sacked doesnt deserve debate and that is a FACT . If you disagree go ahead and debate but it's these pathetic threads that just highlight that we have so called fans that lack brain cells and perhaps deserve a club in league 2.
I thought that Bing's post was a good analysis of the situation.
But I also agree with what Dave Rudd says. I know that managers cannot slate their own players publicly, but It is quite infuriating when they go into full on denial mode. NLA called it right about Benson even before he even arrived at the club and Parkinson should not have spend a sizeable chunk of money that we didn't have on him, but now we are lumbered. Trying to pretend otherwise does not help CP's cause. But anyone calling for him to go needs to get a grip.
I think it is very important not to allow Chris' reputation to protect him from any possible criticisms. No CAFC fan wants to see him do poorly nor do we want to blame him as he is a nice guy. But he still is our gaffer and if it's not working it could be benefical to sort the problem sooner rather than later. Look at Shearer at Newcastle, they are doing very well since he left and there is bad feeling between Alan and NUFC since he left.
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
It is not a FACT. Fact refers to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. It is his OPINION not FACT. Can we drop the childish insults it really is tiresome.Just because his opinion is different to your own. If you don't agree with someones OPINION just debate logically presenting cogent reasons. God being on here with some people is like being in the playground.
The fact that he wants Chris Powell sacked doesnt deserve debate and that is a FACT . If you disagree go ahead and debate but it's these pathetic threads that just highlight that we have so called fans that lack brain cells and perhaps deserve a club in league 2.
Let me explain more simply. It is NOT a FACT it is your OPINION.
[cite]Posted By: scabbyhorse[/cite]Carefull bedsaddick because its you who could end up the idiot , its his opinion and it does not deserve to be abused. Can I ask , when dowie or billy davies took over someone elses teams at the bottom of the championship , were they still the previous managers team , when they brought them success? Daglish seems to be doing ok with hodgsons team is he not? If he gets them to europe shall we all say well done roy? Its getting bloody stupid all this its parkys team , parkys gone and its now powells team .
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
It is not a FACT. Fact refers to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. It is his OPINION not FACT. Can we drop the childish insults it really is tiresome.Just because his opinion is different to your own. If you don't agree with someones OPINION just debate logically presenting cogent reasons. God being on here with some people is like being in the playground.
The fact that he wants Chris Powell sacked doesnt deserve debate and that is a FACT . If you disagree go ahead and debate but it's these pathetic threads that just highlight that we have so called fans that lack brain cells and perhaps deserve a club in league 2.
Let me explain more simply. It is NOT a FACT it is your OPINION.
[cite]Posted By: Jarman[/cite]I think it is very important not to allow Chris' reputation to protect him from any possible criticisms.
No CAFC fan wants to see him do poorly nor do we want to blame him as he is a nice guy.
But he still is our gaffer and if it's not working it could be benefical to sort the problem sooner rather than later.
Look at Shearer at Newcastle, they are doing very well since he left and there is bad feeling between Alan and NUFC since he left.
Actually it may surprise one or two on here who think that I have rose-tinted spectacles but I agree with much of this. My concern though is that criticism can be tough love and well intentioned or bitter and ultimately corrosive. My feeling is that already, a significant number on here and who were at the game have gone already down the latter route.
I start from the perspective that we all want the best for the club we love. I hurt as much as any body when I watch us playing in Division Three and losing to Franchise FC in a half-built ersatz stadium that could be anywhere in the country.
I spent, as did most of us, nearly six hours travelling to and from that game to watch our team under-perform somewhat alarmingly on occasions.
The debate about Parky good or bad has raged to and fro but hey, he ain't our manager now so we had best get used to that.
CP has almost universal goodwill, even from those who questioned the appointment.
I take the view that all managerial appointments are a gamble. The dole queue is littered with so-called successful managers who f*ck it up eventually.
Curbs was fantastic for us. Many though felt he over-stayed. He took his opportunity to manage a "bigger" club and he ended up sacked, and compensated for breach of contract. He remains an occasional pundit and unemployed as a manager.
Dowie, you could argue, was a decent choice - I was happy with his appointment. Now after a series of unsuccessful managerial appointments, even he appears unemployable.
Les Reed was never really a serious candidate for manager - shame but there we are.
Pardew - well where do I start. Experienced Manager. Moderately successful at Reading and then chanced his arm at West Ham who were promoted via the play offs which were stumbled into on the final game of the season. One decent season and a cup final, then sacked when the club was in a relegation place. Relegated with us, then massively failed to get us even to the play offs. Presided over half of the worst run of defeats in our history. Massively under-performed and saddled the club with huge overheads. Sacked. Brought into Southampton. Sacked after just over a season. Now at the Toon on a five and half year contract, but for how long?
Parky - successful at Colchester. Failed at Hull. Part of a failed regime with us. Appointed manager despite his part in the worst run in our history. Presided over relegation and a failure to get us back at the first attempt despite a relatively strong squad. Left with only six players during the close season. Gets us into contention in the league but the form was starting to dip alarmingly. Sacked and not yet found a new managerial job.
These are just the relative failures at our club over the last few years.
We have gambled on Chris. Will he turn out to be successful? Frankly who knows. Would a so-called experienced manager do better with this group of players, who knows. None of us knows the answer to those questions.
It is right to hold Chris to account for the performances but every performance? Last night I witnessed a team who weren't comfortable and confident in their play. A team that emerged into the 3/4 empty stadium without what appeared to have a fire in their bellies.
We played a team, not blessed with much talent who were well drilled, had a game plan and stuck to it. This was a game that a few weeks ago, when Chris took over, I feel we would have won. What has changed is that the protective layers created by the new manager affect have been been peeled away to reveal what was there before, namely a team whose confidence is just shot to pieces. It hasn't been helped by injuries to key players like Jacko, Joe and Fry.
This is, as I have said in other posts, a team consisting almost entirely of players picked or retained by Parky and one which Parky himself struggled to drag more than a handful of decent performance from.
Some last night were calling for Chris to go. Even if he turns out to be unsuccessful, and as I say, not one of us knows whether or not he will, this is madness. He has to be given time, and a fair crack at the resources available, to fashion his own team.
He does need to be given time. The fact is that he must have some talent for so many in the business (Sven for one), who actually KNOW about being a manger, to say so many positive things about him.
If Powell had been appointed manger of say, D&R, and he had gotten the exact same results as he has for us, no one of us would be calling for his head. Its frankly ridiculous. He is a rookie manager, with a future, taking on a huge task in getting a club of our size and history back where we belong. The man can't get everything right first time.
Just wait, have faith and LLL&BH.
[cite]Posted By: EastStand[/cite]He does need to be given time. The fact is that he must have some talent for so many in the business (Sven for one), who actually KNOW about being a manger, to say so many positive things about him.
If Powell had been appointed manger of say, D&R, and he had gotten the exact same results as he has for us, no one of us would be calling for his head. Its frankly ridiculous. He is a rookie manager,with a future, taking on a huge task in getting a club of our size and history back where we belong. The man can't get everything right first time.
Just wait, have faith and LLL&BH.
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I too was wondering what Powell was doing sitting on that £55m when he could have gone out and bought Suarez and Carroll.
He's had no real opportunity to use the transfer market to turn around a team that was already failing. The players he has brought in, BWP and Bessone, are both improvements on what we had but one's injured and the other's walking wounded. He'll come good, but he needs the chance to bring in the players that will play the way he wants - and no-one's gonna persuade me that a team with Francis and McOxo in it is anything but mediocre.
This reminds me of the Championship year when we fell away from the play offs and slid down the table towards relegation and everyone said "Get real, you don't know anything, we'll bounce back soon, the wins are just around the corner, it'll come good, etc, etc".
We all remember that right? I am very concerned right now actually because I am sensing a team that could potentially freefall. With so many of the squad out of contract who will give a toss? They are certainly not playing like they give a toss are they, anyone?
Yes, your imagination is running very wild, Eccleston was brought in before powell.
Dowie - simply because Murray thought he'd get one over on the Crystal Palace chairman Simon Jordan
Pardew - because Murray wanted to piss off West Ham Football Club
Parkinson - because he was already on the payroll
Powell - an blatent attempt by the new owners to ingratiate themselves with the club supporters
If he thinks that Powell should be sacked he is an idiot - FACT . Your Liverpool analogy isn't the best either mate.
It is not a FACT. Fact refers to verified information about past or present circumstances or events which are presented as objective reality. It is his OPINION not FACT. Can we drop the childish insults it really is tiresome.Just because his opinion is different to your own. If you don't agree with someones OPINION just debate logically presenting cogent reasons. God being on here with some people is like being in the playground.
Urghhhhhhh. Look like idiots.
The fact that he wants Chris Powell sacked doesnt deserve debate and that is a FACT . If you disagree go ahead and debate but it's these pathetic threads that just highlight that we have so called fans that lack brain cells and perhaps deserve a club in league 2.
But I also agree with what Dave Rudd says. I know that managers cannot slate their own players publicly, but It is quite infuriating when they go into full on denial mode. NLA called it right about Benson even before he even arrived at the club and Parkinson should not have spend a sizeable chunk of money that we didn't have on him, but now we are lumbered. Trying to pretend otherwise does not help CP's cause. But anyone calling for him to go needs to get a grip.
No CAFC fan wants to see him do poorly nor do we want to blame him as he is a nice guy.
But he still is our gaffer and if it's not working it could be benefical to sort the problem sooner rather than later.
Look at Shearer at Newcastle, they are doing very well since he left and there is bad feeling between Alan and NUFC since he left.
Let me explain more simply. It is NOT a FACT it is your OPINION.
and my opinion on this is a FACT
Actually it may surprise one or two on here who think that I have rose-tinted spectacles but I agree with much of this. My concern though is that criticism can be tough love and well intentioned or bitter and ultimately corrosive. My feeling is that already, a significant number on here and who were at the game have gone already down the latter route.
I start from the perspective that we all want the best for the club we love. I hurt as much as any body when I watch us playing in Division Three and losing to Franchise FC in a half-built ersatz stadium that could be anywhere in the country.
I spent, as did most of us, nearly six hours travelling to and from that game to watch our team under-perform somewhat alarmingly on occasions.
The debate about Parky good or bad has raged to and fro but hey, he ain't our manager now so we had best get used to that.
CP has almost universal goodwill, even from those who questioned the appointment.
I take the view that all managerial appointments are a gamble. The dole queue is littered with so-called successful managers who f*ck it up eventually.
Curbs was fantastic for us. Many though felt he over-stayed. He took his opportunity to manage a "bigger" club and he ended up sacked, and compensated for breach of contract. He remains an occasional pundit and unemployed as a manager.
Dowie, you could argue, was a decent choice - I was happy with his appointment. Now after a series of unsuccessful managerial appointments, even he appears unemployable.
Les Reed was never really a serious candidate for manager - shame but there we are.
Pardew - well where do I start. Experienced Manager. Moderately successful at Reading and then chanced his arm at West Ham who were promoted via the play offs which were stumbled into on the final game of the season. One decent season and a cup final, then sacked when the club was in a relegation place. Relegated with us, then massively failed to get us even to the play offs. Presided over half of the worst run of defeats in our history. Massively under-performed and saddled the club with huge overheads. Sacked. Brought into Southampton. Sacked after just over a season. Now at the Toon on a five and half year contract, but for how long?
Parky - successful at Colchester. Failed at Hull. Part of a failed regime with us. Appointed manager despite his part in the worst run in our history. Presided over relegation and a failure to get us back at the first attempt despite a relatively strong squad. Left with only six players during the close season. Gets us into contention in the league but the form was starting to dip alarmingly. Sacked and not yet found a new managerial job.
These are just the relative failures at our club over the last few years.
We have gambled on Chris. Will he turn out to be successful? Frankly who knows. Would a so-called experienced manager do better with this group of players, who knows. None of us knows the answer to those questions.
It is right to hold Chris to account for the performances but every performance? Last night I witnessed a team who weren't comfortable and confident in their play. A team that emerged into the 3/4 empty stadium without what appeared to have a fire in their bellies.
We played a team, not blessed with much talent who were well drilled, had a game plan and stuck to it. This was a game that a few weeks ago, when Chris took over, I feel we would have won. What has changed is that the protective layers created by the new manager affect have been been peeled away to reveal what was there before, namely a team whose confidence is just shot to pieces. It hasn't been helped by injuries to key players like Jacko, Joe and Fry.
This is, as I have said in other posts, a team consisting almost entirely of players picked or retained by Parky and one which Parky himself struggled to drag more than a handful of decent performance from.
Some last night were calling for Chris to go. Even if he turns out to be unsuccessful, and as I say, not one of us knows whether or not he will, this is madness. He has to be given time, and a fair crack at the resources available, to fashion his own team.
If Powell had been appointed manger of say, D&R, and he had gotten the exact same results as he has for us, no one of us would be calling for his head. Its frankly ridiculous. He is a rookie manager, with a future, taking on a huge task in getting a club of our size and history back where we belong. The man can't get everything right first time.
Just wait, have faith and LLL&BH.
Bang on.