[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Parky had an eye for a player something I'm yet to see from Powell.
And you worked that out from 2 signings in 2 months.
Parky did have a good eye for a player but he's not here anymore. Move on or this will just become another "Parky did this - No, parky did that" thread
[cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Amazed people don't think we need another striker. Just because we also require a centre midfielder and centre back doesn't mean we can't look at strikers as well. As Scoham says, we now haven't got anyone who is a proper target man.
Agree.
Just because he is looking at a striker doesn't mean he isn't also looking at other positions. You can't buy them in order of priority, only when they are available.
Richardson was alright, Burton decent - wouldn't clamber over anybody to sign any of the others - Reid looks great in flashes but i think we've now seen why he doesn't stick anywhere, Martin's an amusement arcade as big Ron would have said and Borrowdale's pretty run of the mill. For me, the Bensons, Francis, Doherty's, Sodjes, Abbots, Macormacks etc etc outweigh the two or three decent one's. I accept he was operating under severe restrictions but we do now have the worst squad possibly ever so i'd hate to see where we'd be if we'd had a manager with a bad eye for a player.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Elthamaddick[/cite]we do not need another striker, we need someone who can give the ball to the strikers we do have !!![/quote]
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]Richardson was alright, Burton decent - wouldn't clamber over anybody to sign any of the others - Reid looks great in flashes but i think we've now seen why he doesn't stick anywhere, Martin's an amusement arcade as big Ron would have said and Borrowdale's pretty run of the mill. For me, the Bensons, Francis, Doherty's, Sodjes, Abbots, Macormacks etc etc outweigh the two or three decent one's. I accept he was operating under severe restrictions but we do now have the worst squad possibly ever so i'd hate to see where we'd be if we'd had a manager with a bad eye for a player.
Does a good eye for a player mean every signing has to be brilliant? In Reid's case he's lost confidence after losing his place. He also saw what Wagstaff could be capable of in this division and helped him develop.
Benson is limited but he's done what he was signed to do, score goals. Sam Sodje was decent for us, Abbott never showed what he was capable of often enough. Akpo and McCormack like Llera are squad players, I'm not sure you'll get much better as 3rd or 4th choice in the position we were in. Francis isn't as good as Richardson but no doubt on a lower wage.
Borrowdale was "only" solid, but it was exactly what we needed. There couldn't have been many options in the middle of March that we knew would be reliable for us.
Value for money it's far better than what we had under Dowie and Pardew.
Paul Hayes may be 6 ft, but he's no big Steve Howard/ Chris Iwelemu type of player. If you can liken him to one of ours in "build" I'd say he's closest to Benson, although not as skinny.
Probably a bit more active & direct than Benson, but like I say he's no bruiser.
His goals together with Hooper (now at Celtic) got Scunny promoted.
[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Parky had an eye for a player something I'm yet to see from Powell.
And you worked that out from 2 signings in 2 months.
Parky did have a good eye for a player but he's not here anymore. Move on or this will just become another "Parky did this - No, parky did that" thread
We've signed the leagues top scorer under powelly...
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Desperately need a big strong striker like Iwelumo or hold up player like Burton.
What type of striker is Hayes?
The defence and midfield will look worse while we're playing 2 from BWP, Eccleston, Waggy and I'm not sure Benson will improve things much. They're under so much pressure when neither striker can challenge in the air or hold onto possession.
So important defenders don't have it easy and no presence or touch & intelligence up front is just as bad as no pace up there, if not worse.
Fans will hope Hayes, who likes to drop to and has the ability to create chances for those around him, can strike up another deadly partnership to help propel PNE towards the play-offs.
From the Preston site link someone posted. Says he's 6 ft on there as well. Sounds like he'd have been useful at least in this league. Not a proper goalscorer, but Burton wasn't either and we have two of them in BWP and Benson.
Bang on. Without decent hold up play by the forwards the ball will always come back at the midfield and defence too quickly and that heaps pressure on a department of our team that has struggled a bit to cope at the best of times. BWP is the out and out goalscorer we've craved for a while, he now needs a partner who will do his share of the donkey work. As long as that partner does that donkey work and link role well then they'll only need to chip in a few goals to more than justify their place - it's far to simplistic to suggest that goals are the be-all and end-all for forwards.
We're in a bit of a weird situation imo - I think a lot of our defensive problems are caused by weaknesses in attack (i.e. inability to hold possession and relieve pressure) and some of our problems in attack are caused by our defence (i.e. lack of pace means we sit too deep at home and can't really press teams and dominate games). It just goes to show how important team balance is - probably far more important than individaul ability as that will pick you up a few points in tight games whereas the team solidity is waht brings home your bread and butter, especially in a division like this.
I think JoeAn is our best option most of the time, but he's so fragile and not much of a presence in the air. Benson has had games where he's held the ball up and linked play very well (Swindon and Peterborough away) but that's notable been against slightly less physically imposing defenders than seems to be the norm in this division. I'm very surprised both Akpo and Abbott were allowed to leave when it was far from certain either would be replaced, both would have done in our current situation as I think there were greater weaknesses in the side at the time they were allowed to leave. We've created this new weaknesses by letting them go.
scoham 38 - better value for money than Pardew no question, Dowie probably but to label Parky as having a good eye for a player seems a bit of a stretch and to assemblea squad with no pace at centre half, no creativity in midfield and no pace up front (barring a never fit Anyinsah) must leave serious question marks about his ability to put a team together but anyway, lets not chew over old ground. One of the reasons i wanted him replaced was to rectify these deficiencies so in my opinion, he isn't somebody i see as having an eye for a good player.
To me it's a straight choice between 2 midfielders or a midfielder and a striker who will come short and link up play. Third on my list would be a new centre half if Fry isn't up to it. The nearest we have to a hold up striker is Benson and if he can do that i'd go for a couple of midfielders - thats no surprise to anybody as our overriding inability to play any football at home is my biggest concern.
Who's to say that we aren't looking for both a striker and midfielder?
I think our forward line does need re-inforcing. We've just lost Abbott and Sodje, leaving two from an injury prone Anyinsah, BWP (who is also carrying a long-term injury that stopped Reading signing him), an on-loan Eccleston and Benson. A couple of injuries, Liverpool recalling Eccleston or the odd suspension and we'd have a problem.
What is does tell me is that CP is out looking for reinforcements but it doesn't automatically mean that he's only looking for another striker.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]scoham 38 - better value for money than Pardew no question, Dowie probably but to label Parky as having a good eye for a player seems a bit of a stretch and to assemblea squad with no pace at centre half, no creativity in midfield and no pace up front (barring a never fit Anyinsah) must leave serious question marks about his ability to put a team together but anyway, lets not chew over old ground. One of the reasons i wanted him replaced was to rectify these deficiencies so in my opinion, he isn't somebody i see as having an eye for a good player.
He didn't exactly get much money to put a better squad together, but we all know that, don't we?
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]scoham 38 - better value for money than Pardew no question, Dowie probably but to label Parky as having a good eye for a player seems a bit of a stretch and to assemblea squad with no pace at centre half, no creativity in midfield and no pace up front (barring a never fit Anyinsah) must leave serious question marks about his ability to put a team together but anyway, lets not chew over old ground. One of the reasons i wanted him replaced was to rectify these deficiencies so in my opinion, he isn't somebody i see as having an eye for a good player.
I don't disagree on the weaknesses.
I think I just accepted in the position we were in no manager was going to build the ideal squad. We had something like 8 players at the start of July and the wage budget was being lowered (I'm sure they said it had been halved). Parky had to find the balance between numbers and quality, probably better to have a bigger squad rather than rely on a couple of expensive signings to stay fit.
Parky took that squad to the play-off places again before he was sacked, it was a limited team but it competed like Murray (I think) said it would. Performances weren't great, a lot of it probably to do with those 3 main weaknesses, but this season even more than last was just about results for Parky. You can get away with a few weaknesses in this league and still make the play-offs.
Just spoken to someone who played aginst Hayes and says he is a quality player. Not a prolific goal scorer but neither was Sodje, Burton, Bartlett - so his function is the target man of the team.
I'm surprised we haven't signed Bauza - could he have been the trialist again today? He could play creative midfielder, link man, in the hole or wide and would not cost loan. We may go into Saturday with only BWP and Nathan as strikers and they were poor together when played.
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]I'm surprised we haven't signed Bauza - could he have been the trialist again today? He could play creative midfielder, link man, in the hole or wide and would not cost loan. We may go into Saturday with only BWP and Nathan as strikers and they were poor together when played.
The trialist was said to be Ruben Bover-Izquierdo, see the thread for the reserve friendly.
[cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]CP has been after a loan signing for a month and a half now, what's going on? Parky and Pardew never had problems in getting a loan in when needed
[cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]CP has been after a loan signing for a month and a half now, what's going on? Parky and Pardew never had problems in getting a loan in when needed
I would rather make no loan signings than get a poor player in on loan.
[cite]Posted By: BigRedEvil[/cite]CP has been after a loan signing for a month and a half now, what's going on? Parky and Pardew never had problems in getting a loan in when needed
I would rather make no loan signings than get a poor player in on loan.
Have to agree, the player/s coming in on loan have to be as good, or better than what we already have, otherwise no point. The only problem at the moment is that the season is running away. If we are to arrest this slide we need to get a couple of bodies in pronto.
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And you worked that out from 2 signings in 2 months.
Parky did have a good eye for a player but he's not here anymore. Move on or this will just become another "Parky did this - No, parky did that" thread
Agree.
Just because he is looking at a striker doesn't mean he isn't also looking at other positions. You can't buy them in order of priority, only when they are available.
Just interested who these players were that Parky did so well to bring in? Jackson seems okay, not sure who else - Dailly possibly?
Burton
Reid (everyone was delighted when we signed him)
Lee Martin (ditto)
Richardson
Borrowdale
to name a few
As the new CL saying goes:- This!
Benson is limited but he's done what he was signed to do, score goals. Sam Sodje was decent for us, Abbott never showed what he was capable of often enough. Akpo and McCormack like Llera are squad players, I'm not sure you'll get much better as 3rd or 4th choice in the position we were in. Francis isn't as good as Richardson but no doubt on a lower wage.
Borrowdale was "only" solid, but it was exactly what we needed. There couldn't have been many options in the middle of March that we knew would be reliable for us.
Value for money it's far better than what we had under Dowie and Pardew.
Probably a bit more active & direct than Benson, but like I say he's no bruiser.
His goals together with Hooper (now at Celtic) got Scunny promoted.
I can't believe that we'd be in for another striker.
*stares*
We've signed the leagues top scorer under powelly...
Bang on. Without decent hold up play by the forwards the ball will always come back at the midfield and defence too quickly and that heaps pressure on a department of our team that has struggled a bit to cope at the best of times. BWP is the out and out goalscorer we've craved for a while, he now needs a partner who will do his share of the donkey work. As long as that partner does that donkey work and link role well then they'll only need to chip in a few goals to more than justify their place - it's far to simplistic to suggest that goals are the be-all and end-all for forwards.
We're in a bit of a weird situation imo - I think a lot of our defensive problems are caused by weaknesses in attack (i.e. inability to hold possession and relieve pressure) and some of our problems in attack are caused by our defence (i.e. lack of pace means we sit too deep at home and can't really press teams and dominate games). It just goes to show how important team balance is - probably far more important than individaul ability as that will pick you up a few points in tight games whereas the team solidity is waht brings home your bread and butter, especially in a division like this.
I think JoeAn is our best option most of the time, but he's so fragile and not much of a presence in the air. Benson has had games where he's held the ball up and linked play very well (Swindon and Peterborough away) but that's notable been against slightly less physically imposing defenders than seems to be the norm in this division. I'm very surprised both Akpo and Abbott were allowed to leave when it was far from certain either would be replaced, both would have done in our current situation as I think there were greater weaknesses in the side at the time they were allowed to leave. We've created this new weaknesses by letting them go.
I think our forward line does need re-inforcing. We've just lost Abbott and Sodje, leaving two from an injury prone Anyinsah, BWP (who is also carrying a long-term injury that stopped Reading signing him), an on-loan Eccleston and Benson. A couple of injuries, Liverpool recalling Eccleston or the odd suspension and we'd have a problem.
What is does tell me is that CP is out looking for reinforcements but it doesn't automatically mean that he's only looking for another striker.
He didn't exactly get much money to put a better squad together, but we all know that, don't we?
I think I just accepted in the position we were in no manager was going to build the ideal squad. We had something like 8 players at the start of July and the wage budget was being lowered (I'm sure they said it had been halved). Parky had to find the balance between numbers and quality, probably better to have a bigger squad rather than rely on a couple of expensive signings to stay fit.
Parky took that squad to the play-off places again before he was sacked, it was a limited team but it competed like Murray (I think) said it would. Performances weren't great, a lot of it probably to do with those 3 main weaknesses, but this season even more than last was just about results for Parky. You can get away with a few weaknesses in this league and still make the play-offs.
Not a prolific goal scorer but neither was Sodje, Burton, Bartlett - so his function is the target man of the team.
"sign him up, sign him up, sign him up"
It might be that he is more decerning
I would rather make no loan signings than get a poor player in on loan.
Have to agree, the player/s coming in on loan have to be as good, or better than what we already have, otherwise no point. The only problem at the moment is that the season is running away. If we are to arrest this slide we need to get a couple of bodies in pronto.