''IA: There's no doubt in my mind that CP has told them to cut out hoofing it.
OR: Peacock and Damian Matthews have been responsible for play on the floor for both the 2 games before CP took charge.
Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one.''
That is what you said. It is there in black and white. Nothing out of context at all, so please don't say it is.
I happen to disagree. Peacock can take the credit for how we played v Spurs and Shef Wed. But Powell can take full credit for yesterday and our first win since Nov 20.
As for being patronising, did you actually see the games? Like six-a-bag, I walked away from the Valley yesterday ''with a smile and warm glow for the first time in ages''.
Well that's good, Oggy. Because earlier you said ''Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one.''
I'm glad that you now agree that we can. If you watched Powell dishing out the instructions on the touchline yesterday it was pretty clear that he had the team playing the way he wanted them to play, and the selection of Waggy upfront and Mac on the right enhanced that. I thought we played quite differently from the Spurs game, tbh.
I think the point being made is that at this stage its irrelevant how Powell would want us to play if Peacock and Matthews hadn't already been working on that. If we'd still been playing airball then Chris could make whatever instructions he liked and the ball would still be flying overhead. Hopefully we continue in the same style of passing play.
[cite]Posted By: thenewbie[/cite]... If we'd still been playing airball then Chris could make whatever instructions he liked and the ball would still be flying overhead.
I appreciate the point, Newbie, but not sure I quite follow that. Surely Powell had longer with the squad in the run-up to yesterday's game than Peacock had in the run-up to Spurs. If they didn't ignore Peacock's instructions for that game why would they have ignored Powell's instructions yesterday?
As it happens, I think the Wagstaff and Mac roles yesterday meant we were set up to play quite differently from how we did at WHL, where we huffed and puffed and chased and ran admirably, but didn't play as patiently and carefully through midfield as we did yesterday (lower class opposition yesterday , of course).
It's no matter. It just seemed a strange comment to deny Powell the credit for how we played. I'm sure he watched the Spurs and Shef Wed performances and saw an improvement and worked on what he saw. Anyway, let's move on.
I thought we were set-up exactly the same as how we were set-up for WHL (most likely Wednesday too but didn't go so can't be certain) with Wagstaff given a free role behind Anyinsah. In fact I thought Powell took yesterday's game as another 'test' to see who was up for the challenge of the current first eleven, much like a friendly in some respects.
Sure Powell could've given them the message to not play hoofball, but at the same time I'm not sure he's had long enough at all to actually work on that side of the game with them. He had to trust his players to follow his instructions yesterday, rather than it being 'programmed' into them if you like but I'm sure that will come with time, as will his preferred first choice.
The point I'm trying to make is that it is still very much Parkinson's team and if we had been in a similar situation yesterday with Parkinson on the touchline, we would have had a negative atmosphere once again. As it was we stayed positive and we got our reward for doing so.
Fair to say our build up play looked more patient but then us fans were also a lot more patient because of Powelly, (and Peacock) and they rightly carry a shed load of goodwill before them at Charlton. So an element of chicken and egg, we did not vent our frustration, when we were patiently moving the ball round but not creating that many chances. Plymouth made it difficult in the first half to be fair, I felt. In the second, I thought they looked more likely to score and made a couple of chances that only required a better finish. But then Waggy got reward for chasing down the defence and they helped us with a poor back pass. That changed the game. In the end, the most important thing was to win that game. CP can build on that. We are happy because the new broom feeling is there. I think the partnership of Powelly,Peacock and Matthews could do it for us. Experience, determination decency and ability. Charlton qualities we love.
Ia, Damien Matthew is well respected for the coaching of his youngsters who play attractive football on the ground. The players were always gonna be up for yesterday with chrissy in charge so taking nothing away from powelly I think Matthew deserves the credit for the way we played with the ball being played to feet rather than head. Noticed the change at spuds before Chrissy was in charge
can't believe some people on here are moaning because we were not booing, as we would have done had Parky been in charge. I think Parky was given more than enough time to get it right but he didn't.
I was fairly happy on Saturday. Not a great performance but we persevered and got there in the end. There were a few positives not least Waggy and Ecclestone. CP has got to work with the squad left him by Parky and in truth there are a few areas that need addressing and I'm sure they will be. It will take time. In my opinion we are good enough for the top six but maybe not for the top two, yet. Unfortunately in may take time but CP deserves that to get it right.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]can't believe some people on here are moaning because we were not booing, as we would have done had Parky been in charge.
That's an incredibly perverse interpretation of what people have been saying Large. The disappointment was that Parky didn't get the patience from the crowd that CP got, not that CP didn't get the crap from the crowd that Parky got.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]
Move on forget about bloody Phil Parkinson if you all miss him that much when he roles up at some other club tag along and watch him.
I agree that we should move on but can you and Insufferable Addick do the same?
Constant mentions and digs(see above) from you two about PP and how "under the old manager" this or that would or wouldn't have happened but then jump on anyone who points this out and demand that they move on.
Just wondering it must be down to the manager the style of play and surely you can change it quickly.These pros at our club didn't get signed as pros just cos they could hoof a ball aimlessly 60 or 70 yards? I can do that. Most must have been able to play to catch the scouts eye? Anyway well done and lets really get behind Chrissy and the lads and get out of this league!
Back to Peter Reid, and various other Managers, whoever would have thought that " goals change games" it has to be one of the stupidest statements a Manager can come out with as i was always under the impression that it was the main aim of the game.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]Didn't get the patience don't make me laugh of course he did for the first year everyone thought it was pardews squad pardews fault.
Are you deliberately missing the point NLA? People aren't talking about patience in terms of allowing him time in the job to bring through his own players and his own playing style - that's a daft comparison to make after CP has only had a week in post and only one game in charge, and as far as I can see no-one's making it. What they are saying is that we need patience during individual games, to remember that it's about the whole 90mins, and not getting on the players' and manager's backs if we're not being sufficiently attacking after 20mins, or if we aren't convincingly on top when we go in at half time. Instead we should be allowing them time to build attacks gradually and recognise that at 0-0 there's still all to play for with 45 mins to go. That's the kind of patience CP was given on Saturday, and should have been given to PP, regardless of whether people thought he'd had too long in the job or not, as the impatience didn't help the players perform, and was seized on by opposition managers as something they could use to their advantage.
Claiming that means people are "moaning because Powell wasn't booed" is just ridiculous.
I think the long ball out of desperation is unfairly attributed to Parky. The fact is that at the Valley- teams set out to frustrate us and when the crowd starts getting tetchy, players can't be blamed for trying to go more direct when continued patience is needed. When this happens, we are not Arsenal and it isn't easy. I do firmly believe that the fans can work against the team as well as for it and events of recent years have removed a lot of patience. We also have to remember what level we are playing at and that our player's abilities will reflect that level to a degree so booing and singling out players like Francis who is more than capable at this level is out of order. Reid was 100% right to observe that the support we got probably wouldn't have occured had Parky still been here a despite believing that he was dealt a tough hand - I can see the thinking and benefits in bringing a legend such as SCP in. We probably would have lost that game under Parky because the team would have got more desperate - not because Parky is tactically naive. Maybe, there is also a lesson to be learned for us fans in there but I'm pretty confident that collectively, we won't learn it. The way around it is to appoint a legend that we love and buys the team a ton of goodwill.
I am fed up Henners of the constant whining that Parkinson wasnt given the time nor the patience that some think he deserved, When he left there was a thread in which rightly i was bollokd for saying i was glad he had gone and that he was in my opinion useless because people wanted a thread to say welldone and good luck
yet in numerous threads this week and last there are refrences to parky wasnt given this he had no money, he done well.
lump them all in the i love parkinson thread and leave them there.
Peter Reid can say he thinks that a few weeks ago the crowd wouldve been on them and he wouldve been right,
it doesnt need everyone and their dog to start whiumpering on as to how hard done by parkinson was
when really he wernt he was shite we have moved on and until others stop bleeting on about how horrible the big bad world is to over paid under achieving people and it was everyones fault than parkinson then i will stop digging them out for doing so.
Ali wibble it was also the patience handed out to parkinson for periods of his time at the club, he failed to build on that patience and ultimately the crap he was serving up got him sacked. He was tarnished with Pardew before he got the role Fulltime 100% not his fault vtaht he got the job but i said at the time what would happen and it did more fool him and Murray for employing him
You're completely contradicting yourself there, NLA. You admit "he was tarnished before he got the role" then you say "he failed to build on that patience". What patience was that exactly? There were people like you on his back from the beginning, just waiting for him to fail - by your own admission!
And now you are the one that won't let it drop - far more than any of us who were prepared to stick up for him.
Anyway....altogether now, "Chrissy Powell's Red and White Army"
Reid is one of many managers to have made similar comments in recent years and frankly he and they are right. As a crowd we have had a tendency to turn on our own players at The Valley over the last few years. That is an indisputable fact.
As regards Parky as Weegie implies a hardcore on here and in the crowd as a whole would not give him a chance from day 1, be it because of Pardew or whatever, and seemed almost sorry if the team did well and triumphant, when their prejudice was reinforced, if it did not.
All water under the bridge now though. Parky has gone and I hope and pray that ALL our fans now get behind Chrissy and the boys.
weegie what i post on here i never ever took into the ground i supported the team vocally all the time
, he was tarnished with me because of his involvment with pardew and the horific run of results that should have seen him sacked before he got the job fulltime
but in the stands he was not booed from day one far from it in the end he was ,
there was patience for him he just never capitalised on it.
if people stopped saying poor phil this poor phil that i wouldnt reply.
It may well be as some have said that Parky was unfairly criticised for long-ball tactics. What Parky didn't have for him, which I believe Chrissy does have is time.
Parky was appointed by default during the worst run in the clubs history. We were relegated under him. The club was in the financial fertilizer and he didn't have the luxury of building a team with time. I know some will say he had too much time but what I mean is being able to plan properly for the future.
Last season was always going to be his best shot at getting promotion because the team contained players who had come down. Some were on contracts which meant they weren't able to be offloaded, and others like Burton were players signed in haste the previous season in the abortive attempt to avoid relegation.
Before the start of this season Parky had a decimated squad and no real time to build. He got in who he could. To be fair some of his signings like Jackson, and Anyinsah look decent. The jury is out regarding some of the others including Benson. Here again his remit was to somehow fashion a side with little or no cash, good enough to compete and get us up because there was no time to hang around. Hanging around and building slowly could/would have meant the club going into administration.
Chrissy on the other hand has the time to rebuild and the fans will give him much more time than they did for Parky. I think that the fear of impending doom being lifted following the takeover, the optimism generated will rub off positively on the team and that almost certainly promotion is more likely now than it was a few weeks back.
Seeing Peter Reid, always reminds me of the version of Daydream Believer we sang at the play off final. Correct me if I've got the words wrong because the memory fades.
Cheer Up Peter Reid oh what can it mean
To a sad northern bastard and a crap football team
How comes the booing at ht worked for sheff wednesday last week ......
Or did it put our poor lickle players off and that's why it wasn't a good second half for us
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]How comes the booing at ht worked for sheff wednesday last week ......
Or did it put our poor lickle players off and that's why it wasn't a good second half for us
How did the booing work?
Maybe that was the players they subbed on at HT who both scored.
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Here's your post in full :
''IA: There's no doubt in my mind that CP has told them to cut out hoofing it.
OR: Peacock and Damian Matthews have been responsible for play on the floor for both the 2 games before CP took charge.
Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one.''
That is what you said. It is there in black and white. Nothing out of context at all, so please don't say it is.
I happen to disagree. Peacock can take the credit for how we played v Spurs and Shef Wed. But Powell can take full credit for yesterday and our first win since Nov 20.
As for being patronising, did you actually see the games? Like six-a-bag, I walked away from the Valley yesterday ''with a smile and warm glow for the first time in ages''.
I think the point being made is that at this stage its irrelevant how Powell would want us to play if Peacock and Matthews hadn't already been working on that. If we'd still been playing airball then Chris could make whatever instructions he liked and the ball would still be flying overhead. Hopefully we continue in the same style of passing play.
I appreciate the point, Newbie, but not sure I quite follow that. Surely Powell had longer with the squad in the run-up to yesterday's game than Peacock had in the run-up to Spurs. If they didn't ignore Peacock's instructions for that game why would they have ignored Powell's instructions yesterday?
As it happens, I think the Wagstaff and Mac roles yesterday meant we were set up to play quite differently from how we did at WHL, where we huffed and puffed and chased and ran admirably, but didn't play as patiently and carefully through midfield as we did yesterday (lower class opposition yesterday , of course).
It's no matter. It just seemed a strange comment to deny Powell the credit for how we played. I'm sure he watched the Spurs and Shef Wed performances and saw an improvement and worked on what he saw. Anyway, let's move on.
Sure Powell could've given them the message to not play hoofball, but at the same time I'm not sure he's had long enough at all to actually work on that side of the game with them. He had to trust his players to follow his instructions yesterday, rather than it being 'programmed' into them if you like but I'm sure that will come with time, as will his preferred first choice.
The point I'm trying to make is that it is still very much Parkinson's team and if we had been in a similar situation yesterday with Parkinson on the touchline, we would have had a negative atmosphere once again. As it was we stayed positive and we got our reward for doing so.
Plymouth made it difficult in the first half to be fair, I felt.
In the second, I thought they looked more likely to score and made a couple of chances that only required a better finish.
But then Waggy got reward for chasing down the defence and they helped us with a poor back pass.
That changed the game.
In the end, the most important thing was to win that game. CP can build on that. We are happy because the new broom feeling is there.
I think the partnership of Powelly,Peacock and Matthews could do it for us. Experience, determination decency and ability. Charlton qualities we love.
I was fairly happy on Saturday. Not a great performance but we persevered and got there in the end. There were a few positives not least Waggy and Ecclestone. CP has got to work with the squad left him by Parky and in truth there are a few areas that need addressing and I'm sure they will be. It will take time. In my opinion we are good enough for the top six but maybe not for the top two, yet. Unfortunately in may take time but CP deserves that to get it right.
Then the penny dropped he was a nicer guy than pardew but equally inept and then people had enough.
Large is spot on, the money moaning because Powell wasn't booed is a new all time record low for charlton life
Move on forget about bloody Phil Parkinson if you all miss him that much when he roles up at some other club tag along and watch him.
I agree that we should move on but can you and Insufferable Addick do the same?
Constant mentions and digs(see above) from you two about PP and how "under the old manager" this or that would or wouldn't have happened but then jump on anyone who points this out and demand that they move on.
Claiming that means people are "moaning because Powell wasn't booed" is just ridiculous.
yet in numerous threads this week and last there are refrences to parky wasnt given this he had no money, he done well.
lump them all in the i love parkinson thread and leave them there.
Peter Reid can say he thinks that a few weeks ago the crowd wouldve been on them and he wouldve been right,
it doesnt need everyone and their dog to start whiumpering on as to how hard done by parkinson was
when really he wernt he was shite we have moved on and until others stop bleeting on about how horrible the big bad world is to over paid under achieving people and it was everyones fault than parkinson then i will stop digging them out for doing so.
Ali wibble it was also the patience handed out to parkinson for periods of his time at the club, he failed to build on that patience and ultimately the crap he was serving up got him sacked. He was tarnished with Pardew before he got the role Fulltime 100% not his fault vtaht he got the job but i said at the time what would happen and it did more fool him and Murray for employing him
And now you are the one that won't let it drop - far more than any of us who were prepared to stick up for him.
Anyway....altogether now, "Chrissy Powell's Red and White Army"
As regards Parky as Weegie implies a hardcore on here and in the crowd as a whole would not give him a chance from day 1, be it because of Pardew or whatever, and seemed almost sorry if the team did well and triumphant, when their prejudice was reinforced, if it did not.
All water under the bridge now though. Parky has gone and I hope and pray that ALL our fans now get behind Chrissy and the boys.
, he was tarnished with me because of his involvment with pardew and the horific run of results that should have seen him sacked before he got the job fulltime
but in the stands he was not booed from day one far from it in the end he was ,
there was patience for him he just never capitalised on it.
if people stopped saying poor phil this poor phil that i wouldnt reply.
Parky was appointed by default during the worst run in the clubs history. We were relegated under him. The club was in the financial fertilizer and he didn't have the luxury of building a team with time. I know some will say he had too much time but what I mean is being able to plan properly for the future.
Last season was always going to be his best shot at getting promotion because the team contained players who had come down. Some were on contracts which meant they weren't able to be offloaded, and others like Burton were players signed in haste the previous season in the abortive attempt to avoid relegation.
Before the start of this season Parky had a decimated squad and no real time to build. He got in who he could. To be fair some of his signings like Jackson, and Anyinsah look decent. The jury is out regarding some of the others including Benson. Here again his remit was to somehow fashion a side with little or no cash, good enough to compete and get us up because there was no time to hang around. Hanging around and building slowly could/would have meant the club going into administration.
Chrissy on the other hand has the time to rebuild and the fans will give him much more time than they did for Parky. I think that the fear of impending doom being lifted following the takeover, the optimism generated will rub off positively on the team and that almost certainly promotion is more likely now than it was a few weeks back.
Cheer Up Peter Reid oh what can it mean
To a sad northern bastard and a crap football team
Or did it put our poor lickle players off and that's why it wasn't a good second half for us
How did the booing work?
Maybe that was the players they subbed on at HT who both scored.
Who ? (Sir) Henry ?