just heard his post match press conference on BBC - haha, Plymouth deserved better and didn't get the rub of the green. What game was he watching? They barely touched it in the first half, were probably better than us for about 10mins at start of second but then we scroed and never in doubt.
They were no where near the worst teams I have seen this season but I never really thought they deserved anything more than the beating they got.
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As for the game, not sure which one Reidy was watching.
But only because we would have played quite differently under Parkinson. If we had tried not hoofing it, but playing through midfield and threading the ball in to feet under the old regime, then the crowd would not have got on the players backs, even when the odd pass went astray.
Yes, there was a huge swell of goodwill to CP. But the key thing today was that even when we couldn't find a way through in the first half , we did not resort to hoofing it. The crowd responded to that and were consequently as patient as our play was.
If they see the team trying to play decent foootball, they will be tolerant of the odd mistake - as they were today.
There's no doubt in my mind that CP has told them to cut out hoofing it. There were at least two ocassions today when Doherty shaped up to hit it long and aimlessly - and then you saw him check himself, as if remembering he'd been told we're not going to do that any more, and he played a pass instead.
And then if you only use hoofing it as an occassional tactic, there is always the chance that you take the defence by surprise and catch them off-guard. We hardly did it at all today - but on the second ocassion we did just before the end of the first-half, it caused needless panic in their defence and they conceded us a soft corner.
Promotion may still be that bit out of reach but at least it feels there is light at the end of the Blackwall Tunnel now!
It's not that I like to moan, I'm pleased to see that everyone was back on side today. It's just sad to see an honest, hard-working man lose his job for that to have happened.
It's not that I like to moan, I'm pleased to see that everyone was back on side today. It's just sad to see an honest, hard-working man lose his job for that to have happened.[/quote]
Seriously? Today's first half we kept the ball on the floor and tried to play football. Plymouth were not great but they were 10times the teams of Wallsall, Rovers & Swindon and we had almost all the possession. Sure there were no chances created and it was not the best game I had ever seen but there was nothing worth booing. There is obviously a "Powell feel good" and no one is saying we were as good as Arsenal/Barca but today, for me, was one giant step in the right direction. away from the aimless hoof ball of the previous regime...hopefully over the coming weeks Powell can do even more and get some more creative set pieces going.
I do agree, and in fact the feeling I had after today's game was the best I've felt leaving The Valley for quite some time. The part of your post I've highlighted, however, relates to my point.
We've played a lot better under Parkinson, gone in at 0-0 and been booed off the pitch before. If anyone thinks the change in atmosphere was down to the supposed change of tactics, rather than the appointment of SCP, then I feel that they're kidding themselves a little bit.
Accordingly, especially in the first half, we played sensible football and kept the ball for long stretches of time, openly refusing to kick it long or lump it in the box with one person to aim for and played football on the deck, backwards, sideways, however it had to be done to retain possession and patiently wait for that killer opening... which we got twice: mccormack's fluffed cross and wagstaff's one on one chance.
And before this post is taken to pieces, this is coming from someone that didn't want Parky out
Totally agree Callum, the team were able to play relaxed football because their every touch was not greeted by groans and howls of derision. But then there are many who will never accept that.
I agree completely
I couldn't see much difference between the Parky Charlton and the Powell Charlton
And I find it upsetting that because it was a different man at the wheel the side didn't get booed off because they were not 3 up against a pretty piss poor Plymouth side
I totally agree with that comment Callum. We were a bit more patient in the first half, but we created absolutely nothing. If Parky had been in charge the players would have been booed off at half time.
Frustrating isn't it
The booing at Francis was absolutely out of order (after the third attempt at a cross in the second half). I thought he had a pretty good game. Us and our scapegoats, we do love 'em...
Other than that the crowd was good, should have done a "only one scotty wagstaff" tho instead of singing reid, semedo and racon all the time.
Difference was that yeah, we passed it on the floor and tried to play some football, tho make no mistake, even tho we generally kept it down we WOULD have been booed off at half time with Parky in charge after that.
Anyway if atmospheres like that can help the players get a bit more confidence then so be it. Was great to see so many happy faces.
Brilliant to see Leaburn before the game and Nelse interviewed at H-T - Legends!! :-)
Onwards and upwards!!!
Reids team play hoofball and so did we.
Since damian and Keith have had an influence in first team affairs the ball has been on the deck more so no powelly ain't worked wonders in a week he is the manager but the coaches have in 3 weeks
Parkinson was more a coach than mgr and the coaches he surrounded himself were not good enough the same as pardew that's why we needed a root and branch clear out and that is what we have.
Since damian and Keith have had an influence in first team affairs the ball has been on the deck more so no powelly ain't worked wonders in a week he is the manager but the coaches have.
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Absolutely right.
Peacock and Damian Matthews have been responsible for play on the floor for both the 2 games before CP took charge.
Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one.
EDIT: Just read your last post, NLA - you said more or less the same thing, sorry mate.
FFS. We've just won our first league match since Nov 20. But let's not give Powelll credit for the way the team played yesterday. It must have been Peacock and Matthews. Nice!
The Chris Powell effect was there for all to see
I agree it was there for all to see.
Apologies to Oggy Red if I have taken it out of context. I took his comment to be saying that it was Peacock and Matthews who told the team to abandon hoofball, not Powell. He did say ''Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one,'' so if I misundestood it is perhaps understandable!
I don't know if OR was at the game yesterday or at the Spurs game. But Powell was in charge yesterday and we did not play hoofball. So call me a simple soul, but I will give Powell the credit for that.
I mentioned this elsewhere when I got home yesterday, but what struck me was that there were a couple of ocassions when you saw Doherty pulling his right leg back to punt it hopefully upfield - and then he checked himself, as if remembering the new manager had a new game plan, and played a pass instead.
From the instructions and advice coming from Powell on the touchline, I honestly do not think it is as unfair as Oggy suggests to give him credit for us trying to play the ball on the ground yesterday. But I could be wrong, of course.
Peter Reid uses a branch to clean his teeth, uses a branch to clean his teeth, uses a branch to clean his teeth.
The big difference though really was forced on Powell, Benson's suspension! Playing Wagstaff as the second striker/in the hole and McCormack wide on the right probably looking to everyone as odd, but didn't he get through a lot of work? Wagstaff constantly wanted to get on the ball, ran himself into the ground and was rewarded with the goal, who decided that? And will they have the balls to keep Benson out of the team?
Very good point. I think Powell has to keep faith with the starting XI who did so well yesteday and you are right to pick out McOxo and Wagstaff as key in our success (Mac gave Francis better cover than anyone else in that position all season). I feel Benson has to return to the squad on the bench.
I haven't been that much this season but the two home games I saw before yesterday were Bristol Rovers and Swindon. In both the team seemed very edgy. The crowd were restless. BR scored first and that seemed to wake us up, especially when Parky through on Akpo. Against Swindon, the team just looked like it couldn't defend, and Parky gambled and made it defensively worse.
Yesterday, I though that we just looked more solid. Plymouth had a 10 min spell after half time where they pressed. Once we'd scored they pressed again. My only criticism was that we got ourselves hemmed in for a short while in these periods and when players had an opportunity to play the ball out calmly, they just cleared it safety first.
For the rest of the time, there was more measurement in the play and less hoofing than I saw under Parky and I kind of agree with Reid, we were more patient.
Love him or hate him Abbot has got fitter since he joined the club. He made his presence felt when he came out.
The defence did well but Doherty cannot run more than a few yards. Dailly looked a lot happier and back to his best.
Reid's teams always work hard.
I think you've completely taken the wrong end of the stick there, Incorruptible.
I was merely pointing out that Peacock and Matthews had already instructed the team to play a neat passing game in the 2 matches they were in charge, before Powell had been appointed.
So credit to Peacock and Matthews for doing that, right?
And that takes nothing away from Chris Powell, who evidently wants the team to continue playing in the same way.
As we all do.
Well that's good, Oggy. Because earlier you said ''Not sure you can give Powelly credit for that one.''
I'm glad that you now agree that we can. If you watched Powell dishing out the instructions on the touchline yesterday it was pretty clear that he had the team playing the way he wanted them to play, and the selection of Waggy upfront and Mac on the right enhanced that. I thought we played quite differently from the Spurs game, tbh.
For crying out loud, Incorruptible ........ if you quote my comments, at least put them in the context I intended.
Please don't isolate them and try make them mean something else.
And no need to be patronising.
They came to contain us and were doing it with ease.
Haveing got to half time with nairy a threat to their goalmoth, they came out second half and were gradually starting to boss the game.
They then gifted us a goal, and as Reidy said "goals change games".
I also think, had Parky been in charge there would have been booing after 20 mins; at which point the team would have lost belief and resorted to the hoofing game we know and hate
I think the outporing of goodwill ad latitude shown by the fans gave the players the confidence to persist with the game plan.
I liked the way we tried a more patient passing game; and I liked the movement and running of Waggy, Anyinsah and Eccles up front.
For what it's worth I'm glad Parky's gone and I'm glad Chris is in and I think yesterday was a little progress to build on.
Goals help and I enjoyed both ours yesterday and yes I did walk away from the Valley with a smile and warm glow for the first time in ages.