How i would love to face west ham next year, and then completely stuff them, so i can give it to every single hammer who i've had the misfortune to spend every day of my life with here in the west ham stronghold of essex!!!!
Until then i can always dream
I would criticise the owners of West Ham for appointing Grant on a 4 year contract. I just do not see any evidence to justify that appointment. It has now gone spectacularly wrong with the club at the bottom of the league and playing shit football almost every week. All of this with a squad that is significantly better than the squads at Blackpool, Stoke, Wolves, Bolton, Wigan, Fulham, Birmingham, West Brom and a good few others in my opinion. Clearly, if the board want to save their investment, the investment of other shareholders, and even the club itself, they should have been working behind the scenes for a few weeks now to line up another manager to replace Grant. They would be negligent and incompetant if they were not doing this. It is one of their primary roles surely?
This business about managers being sacked too early is rubbish. I see Allardyce is spouting about it again today. It is a results business. Allardyce and the managers association are like the modern day bankers; they expect to be paid for spectacularly poor performance and failure!
[cite]Posted By: gilbertfilbert[/cite]Re WestHam's history: don't forget that WH contributed more than any other club to our winning the World Cup in '66. English football today would be in a much better state if it had followed the WestHam template from those days -- a tradition of good football and intelligent coaching. Nothing to hate in all that.
Having said that, recent administrations have rather betrayed the WestHam traditions. I'm sure many Hammers fans would agree.
If you look at the make up of a lot of the England squads over the last 10 years I think you would find that the number of players that came through the West Ham youth academy (not including Defoe!) compared with other academies is probably 3 or 4 to 1 in West Ham's favour.
I am led to believe that the current crop of players coming through the academy is as good as anything they have produced in the past.
So, it is not just a template from those days; it is still going strong today.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]Think some people are forgetting they very decent to us in 1991/92
Certainly treated us better than Palarse!
At that time, if I remember, West Ham had been owned by the same family for many years - and had a reputation of honourable tradition and integrity. So no surprise they acted hospitably towards us, which we as Charlton fans should never forget.
Times change, of course - but a little perspective always helps!
Would like to see West Ham go down, not because I particularly dislike them, would be good to play them next season in The Championship.
However, as they said on the commentary last night- it is not the manager, some of the players are very very average and quite frankly not good enough. Even Matt Upson who for some strange reason has been linked with Arsenal is in my opinion a very slow and ordinary defender. Without Parker, they do not have a prayer.
Martin O'Neill may keep them up but they need some serious investment in the playing staff.
MON would be a very strange appointment for them IMO. I know desperate times calls for desperate measures and all that but I would have throught his style of football wouldn't really have gone down that well with the Hammers fans at all. I also don't think they've got the players to play to his style of football in any case. Carlton Cole for instance is never going to be able to play the Heskey role that MON has had the most success with.
They never really warmed to Curbs as he wasn't expansive enough and see no reason why MON would go down any better in the long term so suprised he is even in the frame TBH.
What is not doing their reputation any favours is that this whole saga seems to be playing itself out through the press. Either sack him and get on with it or back him and put a stop to all the speculation which can't have helped Grant one little bit over the last few months.
Don't personally have a problem with hammers (although i did bang my thumb whilst using one last week).
My dislike is with Gold/Sullivan. They're just not football people and are there purely for their own gain, and the way they go about their business is appalling in my opinion so for that reason only, i'd like to see them crash & burn.
With a few wins and if results go their way West Ham could easily be a mid-table team - eight points separate them from Blackpool and Blackburn who are 10th and 11th.
If they are going to change managers then now is the right time.
Don't like West Ham.
That's why I went out of my way to score against them in 9 seconds. 9 seconds!!! And they kicked off, ha ha.
Is this surely not the fastest goal scored in League football?
Is this not the fastest goal scored by anyone when the opposing team has kicked off anywhere in the world?
I hope that I don't sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet when I say that I am the most magnificent man in the whole world.
From my understanding Damol that was just part of the situation.
MON and Lerner ended up like a co-habiting couple that lived in completely different worlds. I don't think 100% of MON's ire was aimed at the sales of Barry and then Milner, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. MON always wanted to push the club on and satisfy his own ambitions yet Lerner wanted a more organic model and a focus on crafting a production line and running a ship that held itself up. I think MON could take the departures, but he couldn't take Lerner telling him to look within (or failing that, look to downsize) for their replacements. MON wanted Lerner to give him the money to keep up the push for Champions League whereas Lerner probably realised he couldn't outgun Man City or even Spurs and told MON to be grateful he'd already had almost £50m to spunk on Cuellar, Reo-Coker, Beye, Young, Harewood, Davies etc
Then the sale of Milner told MON that nothing would change, that Ashley Young would probably be next, and all he'd get out of it would be more game time for Marc Albrighton or someone else who'd lost their way and needed to start again in the Ireland mould... like Bentley plus cash with Spurs for example.
The day MON began the decline was the day he went to CSKA Moscow in Feb 2009 with 2,000+ villa out there spending fortunes and put out a reserve team when they could've been in the last 16 of a European competition so that he could rest players to chase 4th place instead of trying to win a trophy. They only won two games from then til the end of the season. Then karma had them with the two Wembley defeats last season. A great run but no silverware.
http://www.footytube.com/news/guardian/martin-oneill-to-reject-west-ham-despite-3m-bonus-for-staying-up-L5128 If I was Grant I'd walk away, why stay where you aren't wanted?
David Sullivan has got more cheek than an elephant's backside. What a f*****g liberty.
West Ham co-owner David Sullivan has thrown his support behind beleaguered boss Avram Grant.
Grant had been expected to be replaced at the weekend by Martin O'Neill but he declined the chance to manage the East London team.
It was widely expected that the Israeli would be sacked due to the poor league form of the Hammers, who have been bottom of the table for most of the season.
However, it now appears the Israeli will now be left at the helm at Upton Park with their co-owner now calling for a united front.
"The entire board is 100 per cent behind Avram," Sullivan told ESPN.
"He is a really decent person who deserves our support.
"West Ham United is a club that does the right thing and the right thing at this time is to support the manager.
"We will do all we can to bring in players over the next 12 days and, once we have achieved that, we hope it will keep us up."
"I urge all the supporters to rally behind the club at this difficult time"
[cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]David Sullivan has got more cheek than an elephant's backside. What a f*****g libert.
West Ham co-owner David Sullivan has thrown his support behind beleaguered boss Avram Grant.
Grant had been expected to be replaced at the weekend by Martin O'Neill but he declined the chance to manage the East London team.
It was widely expected that the Israeli would be sacked due to the poor league form of the Hammers, who have been bottom of the table for most of the season.
However, it now appears the Israeli will now be left at the helm at Upton Park with their co-owner now calling for a united front.
"The entire board is 100 per cent behind Avram," Sullivan told ESPN.
"He is a really decent person who deserves our support.
"West Ham United is a club that does the right thing and the right thing at this time is to support the manager.
"We will do all we can to bring in players over the next 12 days and, once we have achieved that, we hope it will keep us up."
"I urge all the supporters to rally behind the club at this difficult time"
You have to laugh to be honest. After the job Gold and Sullivan did at Brum and their efforts to get West Ham on a more solid financial footing unstaffed to have a little respect for those two. How wrong could I have been. Couple of classless wideboys. Just think they could and might have bought us.
Whilst I agree Grant has been badly treated - it is all relative. I'd be happy to be treated even worse for a fraction of the money he would have been paid by the Hammers since taking over.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Whilst I agree Grant has been badly treated - it is all relative. I'd be happy to be treated even worse for a fraction of the money he would have been paid by the Hammers since taking over.
Some people pay good money to be abused, Muttley! You're not one of them are you?
The money is irrelevant imo, it's about professionalism and common human decency.
If you don't want him, do the decent thing and sack him, pay him off and appoint a caretaker until you get your main man. If not keep him and back him. Don't sneak around behind his back and at the very least, don't leak what you are doing to the press. Really shoddy behaviour.
[cite]Posted By: kings hill addick[/cite]I think the question was why hasn't Grant refused to be treated this way and walked away?
The answer being that all these 'professional', 'decent' managers will tolerate it to qualify for the payoff if/when they are sacked.
Hope he sticks it out. Grabs their money and for the next few months doesn't bust a gut to get them out of trouble. Shite hawk behaviour by the owners and Brady. No class whatsoever.
To be fair to Grant, after the way he's been treated, he could easily walk away and claim constructive dismissal a la Curbs. Credit to him for staying put and trying to tough it out.
[cite]Posted By: SaoPauloAddick[/cite]To be fair to Grant, after the way he's been treated, he could easily walk away and claim constructive dismissal a la Curbs. Credit to him for staying put and trying to tough it out.
Seems to leave you on the scrape heap after though.
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Until then i can always dream
This business about managers being sacked too early is rubbish. I see Allardyce is spouting about it again today. It is a results business. Allardyce and the managers association are like the modern day bankers; they expect to be paid for spectacularly poor performance and failure!
If you look at the make up of a lot of the England squads over the last 10 years I think you would find that the number of players that came through the West Ham youth academy (not including Defoe!) compared with other academies is probably 3 or 4 to 1 in West Ham's favour.
I am led to believe that the current crop of players coming through the academy is as good as anything they have produced in the past.
So, it is not just a template from those days; it is still going strong today.
At that time, if I remember, West Ham had been owned by the same family for many years - and had a reputation of honourable tradition and integrity. So no surprise they acted hospitably towards us, which we as Charlton fans should never forget.
Times change, of course - but a little perspective always helps!
However, as they said on the commentary last night- it is not the manager, some of the players are very very average and quite frankly not good enough. Even Matt Upson who for some strange reason has been linked with Arsenal is in my opinion a very slow and ordinary defender. Without Parker, they do not have a prayer.
Martin O'Neill may keep them up but they need some serious investment in the playing staff.
They never really warmed to Curbs as he wasn't expansive enough and see no reason why MON would go down any better in the long term so suprised he is even in the frame TBH.
What is not doing their reputation any favours is that this whole saga seems to be playing itself out through the press. Either sack him and get on with it or back him and put a stop to all the speculation which can't have helped Grant one little bit over the last few months.
But the lower half of the Prem is so tight, a couple of wins in a row catapults those in the relegation places into midtable.
Long way to go, and no team is yet cut off and doomed.
My dislike is with Gold/Sullivan. They're just not football people and are there purely for their own gain, and the way they go about their business is appalling in my opinion so for that reason only, i'd like to see them crash & burn.
If they are going to change managers then now is the right time.
That's why I went out of my way to score against them in 9 seconds. 9 seconds!!! And they kicked off, ha ha.
Is this surely not the fastest goal scored in League football?
Is this not the fastest goal scored by anyone when the opposing team has kicked off anywhere in the world?
I hope that I don't sound like I'm blowing my own trumpet when I say that I am the most magnificent man in the whole world.
MON and Lerner ended up like a co-habiting couple that lived in completely different worlds. I don't think 100% of MON's ire was aimed at the sales of Barry and then Milner, it was just the straw that broke the camel's back. MON always wanted to push the club on and satisfy his own ambitions yet Lerner wanted a more organic model and a focus on crafting a production line and running a ship that held itself up. I think MON could take the departures, but he couldn't take Lerner telling him to look within (or failing that, look to downsize) for their replacements. MON wanted Lerner to give him the money to keep up the push for Champions League whereas Lerner probably realised he couldn't outgun Man City or even Spurs and told MON to be grateful he'd already had almost £50m to spunk on Cuellar, Reo-Coker, Beye, Young, Harewood, Davies etc
Then the sale of Milner told MON that nothing would change, that Ashley Young would probably be next, and all he'd get out of it would be more game time for Marc Albrighton or someone else who'd lost their way and needed to start again in the Ireland mould... like Bentley plus cash with Spurs for example.
The day MON began the decline was the day he went to CSKA Moscow in Feb 2009 with 2,000+ villa out there spending fortunes and put out a reserve team when they could've been in the last 16 of a European competition so that he could rest players to chase 4th place instead of trying to win a trophy. They only won two games from then til the end of the season. Then karma had them with the two Wembley defeats last season. A great run but no silverware.
If I was Grant I'd walk away, why stay where you aren't wanted?
probably because if he walked away he would get no comp, if he is sacked he'll have his contract paid up.
I'll believe it when Henry tells me its on the OS I see it on Sky's yellow ticker!
Martin O'Neill has ruled himself out of the running to become West Ham's new manager, BBC Sport understands.
West Ham co-owner David Sullivan has thrown his support behind beleaguered boss Avram Grant.
Grant had been expected to be replaced at the weekend by Martin O'Neill but he declined the chance to manage the East London team.
It was widely expected that the Israeli would be sacked due to the poor league form of the Hammers, who have been bottom of the table for most of the season.
However, it now appears the Israeli will now be left at the helm at Upton Park with their co-owner now calling for a united front.
"The entire board is 100 per cent behind Avram," Sullivan told ESPN.
"He is a really decent person who deserves our support.
"West Ham United is a club that does the right thing and the right thing at this time is to support the manager.
"We will do all we can to bring in players over the next 12 days and, once we have achieved that, we hope it will keep us up."
"I urge all the supporters to rally behind the club at this difficult time"
You have to laugh to be honest. After the job Gold and Sullivan did at Brum and their efforts to get West Ham on a more solid financial footing unstaffed to have a little respect for those two. How wrong could I have been. Couple of classless wideboys. Just think they could and might have bought us.
If I was Grant I'd walk away, why stay where you aren't wanted?[/quote]
Would you stay put for say £20K a week?
Even hating them as I do I'd manage them for £20k a week. I'd probably take them down, but then I'd have two reasons to be happy!
Some people pay good money to be abused, Muttley! You're not one of them are you?
The money is irrelevant imo, it's about professionalism and common human decency.
If you don't want him, do the decent thing and sack him, pay him off and appoint a caretaker until you get your main man. If not keep him and back him. Don't sneak around behind his back and at the very least, don't leak what you are doing to the press. Really shoddy behaviour.
The answer being that all these 'professional', 'decent' managers will tolerate it to qualify for the payoff if/when they are sacked.
Hope he sticks it out. Grabs their money and for the next few months doesn't bust a gut to get them out of trouble. Shite hawk behaviour by the owners and Brady. No class whatsoever.
They know they have to replace him with a top manager but.....no top manager wants the job!
Ergo, Avram stays where he is because Wet Spam can't get anyone to replace him who would be any better.
Seems to leave you on the scrape heap after though.