I've not seen anyone on the list of realistic potential replacements who strikes me as a guaranteed improvement.
So there IS someone else on here that is thinking like me.
It was a point often mentioned in the "Parky out" threads, response was usually "no manager could do worse than Parky/any half decent manager could take this squad up".
Seems certain now we will be taking a gamble on a manager, rather than bringing in someone proven or managing in the league above.
Lets hope it's the right manager to take a gamble on.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Seems certain now we will be taking a gamble on a manager, rather than bringing in someone proven or managing in the league above.
Lets hope it's the right manager to take a gamble on.
That is what I find most disappointing. Slater made some very ambitious comments after sacking Parkinson which gave me the impression that, rather than gambling, we would be going out and getting someone who was a clear step up, a manager who was as near as you can get to a guarantee of promotion this season. I didn't agree with the sacking of Parkinson but thought that it was fair enough if the new owners had a significant coup in the pipeline. It now appears that will be replacing like with like in terms of pedigree, providing no guarantee of improvement and significant negative side effects including disruption to the team whilst the search continues and the loss so far of nearly two weeks of a month long transfer window, despite apparently having funds in place to strengthen the squad. We will shortly be reaching the point where we are forced to make a panic appointment which could cost us next season, as well as hindering our chances of promotion this season.
I was and still am very anti sacking Parky but could maybe have seen the logic if they had a proven manager lined up but here we are half way through one of the biggest months of the season with no real idea who its gonna be and only two weeks to identify and sign those players the new manager wants.
[cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]That is what I find most disappointing. Slater made some very ambitious comments after sacking Parkinson which gave me the impression that, rather than gambling, we would be going out and getting someone who was a clear step up, a manager who was as near as you can get to a guarantee of promotion this season.
You might well have gained that impression personally from what some of what Slater said more than a week ago.
But neither Slater or the club itself has said anything about events since.
Nothing at all. So none of us know.
All we have heard is media frenzy and fans opinions on internet message boards.
Nothing of any substance - but people seem to take whatever is the latest rumour as gospel truth.
Meanwhile, the silence from the club is deafening.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Seems certain now we will be taking a gamble on a manager, rather than bringing in someone proven or managing in the league above.
Lets hope it's the right manager to take a gamble on.
That is what I find most disappointing. Slater made some very ambitious comments after sacking Parkinson which gave me the impression that, rather than gambling, we would be going out and getting someone who was a clear step up, a manager who was as near as you can get to a guarantee of promotion this season. I didn't agree with the sacking of Parkinson but thought that it was fair enough if the new owners had a significant coup in the pipeline. It now appears that will be replacing like with like in terms of pedigree, providing no guarantee of improvement and significant negative side effects including disruption to the team whilst the search continues and the loss so far of nearly two weeks of a month long transfer window, despite apparently having funds in place to strengthen the squad. We will shortly be reaching the point where we are forced to make a panic appointment which could cost us next season, as well as hindering our chances of promotion this season.
I agree with these sentiments except for the bit about sacking Parky. I believe it was essential to get a new management/coaching team in place as soon as we were in a position to do so.
[cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]That is what I find most disappointing. Slater made some very ambitious comments after sacking Parkinson which gave me the impression that, rather than gambling, we would be going out and getting someone who was a clear step up, a manager who was as near as you can get to a guarantee of promotion this season.
You might well have gained that impression personally from what some of what Slater said more than a week ago.
But neither Slater or the club itself has said anything about events since.
Nothing at all. So none of us know.
All we have heard is media frenzy and fans opinions on internet message boards.
Nothing of any substance - but people seem to take whatever is the latest rumour as gospel truth.
Meanwhile, the silence from the club is deafening.
I think there are some similarities with Warnock in a number of ways. He tries to build a spirit within the club but I don't think he is the best tactically. I'm not sure he would have an instant impact either. Not entirely sure he is right for us - I'd probably favour Feguson as I think he is a bright young manager who will have learned from his failiures and has previously proven he can get success at this level. Also, if we get some backing from his dad, it shouldn't do us any harm.
MacAnthony hopes Ferguson can restore stability at the club, and he said: "I asked him to come to the game (against Brentford on Tuesday night) and he has signed for four-and-a-half years. Let's make the magic happen again."
He added: "I haven't enjoyed owning the football club over the last 18 months or so and I hope this can change that.
"We have both realised that the grass isn't always greener."
My concern is if we have sacked Parky to improve our chances of promotion, and with other clubs now finding new managers(Palarse, Posh, Brizzie Rovers) who is left for us that will be an improvemet on our last manager? Johnson doesn't inspire me, others ala O'driscoll aint going to come IMO, so who does that leave that will be a 'step-up' from what we have been seeing in the last few games?
I've got no answers to be honest, but I'm starting to worry!!
* His Bristol City side in Championship were known for playing attractive, passing and attacking football
Negatives
* Has had a poor 18 months – Left Bristol in Mar 10 with them 16th in Championship and on a run of 2 wins in 13 games. Including a 0-6 and 2-5 home defeat
* unable to maintain that standard / build upon
lost his way a little in the last 18 months.
On balance it would be a "no thanks" from me. On the postitives the one I have left quoted is the most important to ME but probably not what the clubs sees as high priority. I'd love to see a Charlton side that once again plays open attacking football. On the negatives,although his experience would be seen as an advantage, I would worry about his hunger and desire. He comes across as being knowlegable but not a "winner" and it is late in the day for him to change.
I would rather take a chance on someone who is fresher and has his career ahead of him rather than behind.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
You might well have gained that impression personally from what some of what Slater said more than a week ago.
But neither Slater or the club itself has said anything about events since.
Nothing at all. So none of us know.
Oggy - if you look at the interview with Slater on the OS following the confirmation of the takeover, he states that "our intention is to see the club promoted to the the Championship as soon as possible"
In the article on the OS confirming Slater's departure, Slater states that "change is required now while we are still in the hunt for promotion, and we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up".
I think it's fair to presume from those comments that our next manager would be a step up in class and pedigree, and it now appears that we will be picking someone from the same pot as Parkinson in terms of reputation. If that does prove to be the case then I think appointing a new manager at this stage will prove to have been a hindrance to our chances of promotion. Whilst I am well aware that we played some truly dismal football at times under Parkinson, I am of the opinion that there is now more chance of us finishing outside the play-offs than if he had stayed.
As you quite rightly point out, the club has been maintaining a dignified silence for the last week, and I will happily eat my words if Curbs is unveiled as manager.
For me,Howe was the outstanding candidate.But he did not feel it was the right time for him to move,regardless of money.But whats to say we are not now going for another outstanding candidate that is.
Just because there are a load of managers currently on the scrap heap,doesn't mean any of them are on our list.
Frankly, I'm trying hard to maintain an open mind about who would be good for us and not get into the panic buying, last turkey at Christmas way of thinking. Not sure I'm succeeding and hope the board are doing better.
Johnson would be okay I suppose but not really the inspiring appointment I've been hoping for as a statement that the bad times are over and we are looking forward. As others have said I would also rather go with a younger manager on the way up who can grow with us rather than Johnson who has knocked around the lower divisions all his career with varying degrees of success.
[cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]Oggy - if you look at the interview with Slater on the OS following the confirmation of the takeover, he states that "our intention is to see the club promoted to the the Championship as soon as possible"
In the article on the OS confirming Slater's departure, Slater states that "change is required now while we are still in the hunt for promotion, and we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up".
I think it's fair to presume from those comments that our next manager would be a step up in class and pedigree, and it now appears that we will be picking someone from the same pot as Parkinson in terms of reputation.
Hi Mr Largo,
As Slater said, "we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up".
He evidently had little confidence that Parky was the right man. Many of us presume that the next manager would be a step up in class and pedigree, and agree with you that would be fantastic........but where from?
And the bottom line, "we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up", might very well be in Slater's opinion somebody who knows the division well and has history of achieving promotion from it.
Johnson, evidently not 1st choice, might just fit that category. But it's all assumptions anyway, because until some tangible news comes from the Club itself, it's just conjecture.
By the way, who would be your choice of new manager, Mr Largo?
One of my colleagues at work was Bristol City's fitness coach under Gary Johnson, says he loves to run the players in to the ground, big on stamina. He has had success getting teams out of League 1, not so sure he has been that good at Championship level, my big concern is the transfer window is closing in a couple of weeks and we a manager to attract permanent signings, who thehell is going to sign for a club with no idea who the manager is
Positive: Hated by Palace after altercation with Colin.
He'd be middling appointment for me. Even putting his Posh nightmare to one side I would see him as a safe pair of hands, someone that would deliver a steady performance. I'd rather gamble on turning up the next Coyle or Lambert. The problem that we have is that we're a couple of steps out of the automatics with two teams with exceptional managers sitting in the box seats, so I think it'll take something a bit special to break into that party.
[cite]Posted By: PeteF[/cite]One of my colleagues at work was Bristol City's fitness coach under Gary Johnson, says he loves to run the players in to the ground, big on stamina. He has had success getting teams out of League 1, not so sure he has been that good at Championship level, my big concern is the transfer window is closing in a couple of weeks and we a manager to attract permanent signings, who thehell is going to sign for a club with no idea who the manager is
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
By the way, who would be your choice of new manager, Mr Largo?
All valid points as usual from you Oggy.
New manager - from the unrealistic list I'd love to see Curbs come back and rescue us. From the realistic list, I've always liked the look of Martin Allen and fancied him to take over from Curbs. Made a good start at Leicester before being sacked by a lunatic Chairman. Great job at Barnet and Brentford with no money. Dunno what went wrong at Cheltenham. Other than that, no idea, as previously stated not that excited by any of them.
Ah yes but Nathan is a loan signing, and I reckon Mr Slater, being a legal type, checked the terms of the Shelvey deal saw something in there about loans got on the blower to Johnny Scouse and said give us a loan or I will see you in court, and thats how it happened..... anyway still not sure about Gary Johnson, talking to my colleague I dont like him already!
[cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]1\5 on favourite with the names all drifting further out. Wise is now 6\1 and Curbs at 10\1 pretty much nailed on
Similar things happened with Howe and Wise to be fair.
Howe was as short as 1/25 for the Palace job and 1/10 for us. Wise was so nailed on that some bookies stopped taking bets on him as our manager. Hoddle came in to 5/1 and is now about 20/1. Odds are a reflection of what people are betting on, not a reflection of what is actually going to happen.
[cite]Posted By: kodfish[/cite]Was Howe offered the job?
That was the impression given by Sky and the Bournemouth press. Palace offered him their job on Friday, we bettered their offer on Sunday, Palace matched us on Monday. He decided on Tuesday to turn us both down.
I said on another thread that I think Johnson looks like he needs a rest/some time out of the game. That said I think he's a good, experienced manager - just wouldn't be an exciting appointment. Whether that's important or not, I don't know. I wouldn't read too much into his time at Peterborough. Their chairman has the same management style as Simon Jordan. And he also had to put up with Barry Fry. Not easy.
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Seems certain now we will be taking a gamble on a manager, rather than bringing in someone proven or managing in the league above.
Lets hope it's the right manager to take a gamble on.
Liked the way Bristol City played against us at The Valley but other than that not too excited about him.
That is what I find most disappointing. Slater made some very ambitious comments after sacking Parkinson which gave me the impression that, rather than gambling, we would be going out and getting someone who was a clear step up, a manager who was as near as you can get to a guarantee of promotion this season. I didn't agree with the sacking of Parkinson but thought that it was fair enough if the new owners had a significant coup in the pipeline. It now appears that will be replacing like with like in terms of pedigree, providing no guarantee of improvement and significant negative side effects including disruption to the team whilst the search continues and the loss so far of nearly two weeks of a month long transfer window, despite apparently having funds in place to strengthen the squad. We will shortly be reaching the point where we are forced to make a panic appointment which could cost us next season, as well as hindering our chances of promotion this season.
Piss up and brewery spring to mind.
I was and still am very anti sacking Parky but could maybe have seen the logic if they had a proven manager lined up but here we are half way through one of the biggest months of the season with no real idea who its gonna be and only two weeks to identify and sign those players the new manager wants.
And a match against play off rivals this weekend.
New dawn eh...
You might well have gained that impression personally from what some of what Slater said more than a week ago.
But neither Slater or the club itself has said anything about events since.
Nothing at all. So none of us know.
All we have heard is media frenzy and fans opinions on internet message boards.
Nothing of any substance - but people seem to take whatever is the latest rumour as gospel truth.
Meanwhile, the silence from the club is deafening.
I agree with these sentiments except for the bit about sacking Parky. I believe it was essential to get a new management/coaching team in place as soon as we were in a position to do so.
As Above.
MacAnthony hopes Ferguson can restore stability at the club, and he said: "I asked him to come to the game (against Brentford on Tuesday night) and he has signed for four-and-a-half years. Let's make the magic happen again."
He added: "I haven't enjoyed owning the football club over the last 18 months or so and I hope this can change that.
"We have both realised that the grass isn't always greener."
I've got no answers to be honest, but I'm starting to worry!!
On balance it would be a "no thanks" from me. On the postitives the one I have left quoted is the most important to ME but probably not what the clubs sees as high priority. I'd love to see a Charlton side that once again plays open attacking football. On the negatives,although his experience would be seen as an advantage, I would worry about his hunger and desire. He comes across as being knowlegable but not a "winner" and it is late in the day for him to change.
I would rather take a chance on someone who is fresher and has his career ahead of him rather than behind.
Oggy - if you look at the interview with Slater on the OS following the confirmation of the takeover, he states that "our intention is to see the club promoted to the the Championship as soon as possible"
In the article on the OS confirming Slater's departure, Slater states that "change is required now while we are still in the hunt for promotion, and we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up".
I think it's fair to presume from those comments that our next manager would be a step up in class and pedigree, and it now appears that we will be picking someone from the same pot as Parkinson in terms of reputation. If that does prove to be the case then I think appointing a new manager at this stage will prove to have been a hindrance to our chances of promotion. Whilst I am well aware that we played some truly dismal football at times under Parkinson, I am of the opinion that there is now more chance of us finishing outside the play-offs than if he had stayed.
As you quite rightly point out, the club has been maintaining a dignified silence for the last week, and I will happily eat my words if Curbs is unveiled as manager.
Just because there are a load of managers currently on the scrap heap,doesn't mean any of them are on our list.
Johnson would be okay I suppose but not really the inspiring appointment I've been hoping for as a statement that the bad times are over and we are looking forward. As others have said I would also rather go with a younger manager on the way up who can grow with us rather than Johnson who has knocked around the lower divisions all his career with varying degrees of success.
Hi Mr Largo,
As Slater said, "we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up".
He evidently had little confidence that Parky was the right man. Many of us presume that the next manager would be a step up in class and pedigree, and agree with you that would be fantastic........but where from?
And the bottom line, "we must appoint a new manager to give us every chance of going up", might very well be in Slater's opinion somebody who knows the division well and has history of achieving promotion from it.
Johnson, evidently not 1st choice, might just fit that category. But it's all assumptions anyway, because until some tangible news comes from the Club itself, it's just conjecture.
By the way, who would be your choice of new manager, Mr Largo?
He'd be middling appointment for me. Even putting his Posh nightmare to one side I would see him as a safe pair of hands, someone that would deliver a steady performance. I'd rather gamble on turning up the next Coyle or Lambert. The problem that we have is that we're a couple of steps out of the automatics with two teams with exceptional managers sitting in the box seats, so I think it'll take something a bit special to break into that party.
Nathan Ecclestone!
All valid points as usual from you Oggy.
New manager - from the unrealistic list I'd love to see Curbs come back and rescue us. From the realistic list, I've always liked the look of Martin Allen and fancied him to take over from Curbs. Made a good start at Leicester before being sacked by a lunatic Chairman. Great job at Barnet and Brentford with no money. Dunno what went wrong at Cheltenham. Other than that, no idea, as previously stated not that excited by any of them.
That was the impression given by Sky and the Bournemouth press. Palace offered him their job on Friday, we bettered their offer on Sunday, Palace matched us on Monday. He decided on Tuesday to turn us both down.
That said I think he's a good, experienced manager - just wouldn't be an exciting appointment. Whether that's important or not, I don't know.
I wouldn't read too much into his time at Peterborough. Their chairman has the same management style as Simon Jordan. And he also had to put up with Barry Fry. Not easy.