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Gary Johnson - Pros and Cons

edited January 2011 in General Charlton
Positives

* Experienced – Has managed for 19 years and has an air of authority
Has 10 years Championship / League One experience – knows these divisions well
* Provides stability - Peterborough was his only short-term appointment in past 10 years
* His Bristol City side in Championship were known for playing attractive, passing and attacking football
* Took Yeovil from Conference to League One, took Bristol City from League One to Championship
* Win ratios as follows: Yeovil 52%, Bristol City 40%, Peterborough 45%

Negatives

* Has had a poor 18 months – Left Bristol in Mar 10 with them 16th in Championship and on a run of 2 wins in 13 games. Including a 0-6 and 2-5 home defeat
* After taking Bristol City to play-offs in 2008, was unable to maintain that standard / build upon
* Mixed at Peterborough – Highest scorers in division, but also conceded the most goals
* Manager of the only team Charlton have smashed this season


Tried to hopefully provide a balanced assessment there. For me i think the positives outweigh the negatives, though i've a nagging concern that someone who was very highly regarded a couple of seasons ago has seemingly lost his way a little in the last 18 months.
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  • did he previously play for/manage Gravesend & Northfleet or did I imagine someone telling me that ?
  • Listening to peterborough press conference, it seems he commuted to work, would he move to nearer to charlton??
  • Think he was an international manager for a while, Latvia maybe? He's been a coach a long-time, was a profoessional in the lower leagues, sweeden as well I think. I believe he started out as a coach at Cambridge Utd when they were in the FL under John Beck, none of this is gospel just what I remember.

    Personally I'd take him, think he's got the experience we need, I believe he'd see it as a great move for him, biggest club he'd have been at. Can't realistically see anyone better out there that would come to us, unless there is stupid money behind us which I really doubt.
  • I personally like the guy and always appreciate the way he played. Neat and tidy football. Always brings his son with him so that's a creative midfielder thrown into the mix too

    His recent form is a little concerning though!

    Someone previously stated that he had an eye for talent and quoted Nicky Maynard - I note he also paid £2.5m for him which seems rather steep. decent player but currently surrounded by bad players
  • McAnthony the peterbrough chairman was having plenty of digs at him in that press conference but he (mcanthony) is a bit of a tool anyway very simon jordan esque in his approach so wouldnt take much of it to seriously, i always liked johnson and think given time and some decent backing could do very well in se7. getting twitchy now with palace sorted with dougie howser and fergie jnr back at the posh we are starting to drag our feet a little and we really should have had some in from monday to work with the players for what is a massive game on saturday, just bloody hope its done today at the latest if we still find ourselfs manager less for the home game against plymouth the week after alarm bells will be ringing very very loudly.
  • edited January 2011
    Not for me, obviously cant organise a defence properly, plus Parky has done better than him this season so what would be the point? if "Parkys Charlton" can beat his Peterborough 5-1 then that is saying something.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Bennyhill[/cite]Not for me, obviously cant organise a defence properly, plus Parky has done better than him this season so what would be the point? if Parkys Charlton can beat his Peterborough 5-1 then that is saying something.[/quote

    Yep, and Pardews Charlton Bt Curbs West Ham 4-0.

    The rest is history
  • If the Club want a manager with a proven track record of success ie getting out of this division then he is the man. He is also available. Niether Howe or Tisdale have done that, yet.

    I was at the 5 - 1 game and we looked like we'd score every time we attacked. But as I said at the time they were not a poor side. They also had chances, kept working and got a draw in the second half, admittedly when the game, effectively, was over.

    I have a nagging doubt that he is of the old school, lads together down the pub style. Now that could be a good thing but would our players respond to it?

    He is 55 which can be viewed two ways. Old, past it, tired journey man who does the rounds living off past success or wiley old sod who knows every trick in the book. Managers like Pullis and Holloway (both younger than him BTW) have done the rounds of clubs but are currently Premiership managers perhaps having found the right Club and learnt from their past experiences.

    Would be happy if he came. Outsiders might laugh that we sacked a manager who thrashed Johnson's team and were below us at the time of the sacking but don't really care what non-Charlton fans or the media think.
  • Managers like Pullis and Holloway (both younger than him BTW) have done the rounds of clubs but are currently Premiership managers perhaps having found the right Club and learnt from their past experiences.

    Interesting comparison ... and could well be the case with us. He's got an interesting track record and I am not sure here is much better out there at the moment that we can attract.
  • Interesting that everyone assumes he can't organise a defence. Maybe he just didn't have the players at his disposal good enough for League 1 and wasn't allowed to get anyone else in. I think it's overly simplistic to assume that after years of producing excellent teams he has a major flaw. It's also possible that sometimes managers don't fit or they join a club that's on the slide. It's possible Peterborough had reached their max. Alan Pardew always stated he was at a club in decline when he joined Charlton, I can't stand the bloke but I think there's an element of truth in that. I'm hopeful the decline has stopped and we can rise up again but any manger we are likely to get will have had successes and failures or very young and untested. I think Johnson has more credits than a lot of people being talked about.
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  • I can't decide if he perhaps just needs the right opportunity at the right club, or is now past his best as manager and would turn out to be no better than Parky.

    Can't blame the Peteborough chairman for the number of goals they conceded, but then they seemed to have expectations as big as ours when maybe they shouldn't. Realistically us, Southampton, Sheff Wed at least would expect to be above them in the league.
  • edited January 2011
    Pros

    Proven track record at this level and higher

    Cons

    Just been sacked by the team in 7th with similar resources to ourselves. Logic therefore dictates that it would not make sense for him to replace a man who got us to 5th and wasn't deemed good enough.

    Am finding most of the potential candidates fairly underwhelming.[/u]
  • [cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]Am finding most of the potential candidates fairly underwhelming.

    Can't argue with that but we are division 3 and as I said above I'm not sure we can actually attract much better to be honest.
  • [cite]Posted By: stonemuse[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]Am finding most of the potential candidates fairly underwhelming.

    Can't argue with that but we are division 3 and as I said above I'm not sure we can actually attract much better to be honest.

    Indeed. Unless the board pull something special out of the bag, i.e. Curbishley or a Billy Davies (both unrealistic I think), I suspect I'll be left wondering what the point of getting rid of Parkinson was. Certainly wouldn't class myself as a Parky-lover but everytime we've had a bad result this season and people have called for his head on here, I've not seen anyone on the list of realistic potential replacements who strikes me as a guaranteed improvement.
  • He has (mostly) a good track record in sveral differnt divisions of football including internationals.

    I am willing to gloss over the Peterborough appointment, from what I understand the Chairman is a very unreasonable man, and was picking the team or buying the players. Curbs and Keegan left ther respective positions for similar interference.
  • Someone on another thread said he looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.
    Never been overly impressed with his style when i've seen his sides play.
  • [cite]Posted By: carly burn[/cite]
    Never been overly impressed with his style when i've seen his sides play.

    His teams do seem to score goals.

    But we do need someone to grab the squad by the scruff of the neck and get some consistancy.
    Whether that man is Johnson, I don't know - jury's out for me.

    If he was appointed, however, I would back him.
  • His time as Latvia manager

    I notice that all of the positive comments in this link are direct quotes from him.

    At London Road, I thought Peterborough's players were far better than their tactics
  • [cite]Posted By: IA[/cite]At London Road, I thought Peterborough's players were far better than their tactics

    And for all his good points, tactics did appear to be Parky's weaker point.
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  • To be honest, I'm not that impressed with his CV. I don't particularly want him. I'd sooner have Mark Bowen who is unproven as a manager but a very good coach
  • Perhaps Parky would have been successful with better, more experienced coaches?
  • [cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: stonemuse[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]Am finding most of the potential candidates fairly underwhelming.

    Can't argue with that but we are division 3 and as I said above I'm not sure we can actually attract much better to be honest.

    Indeed. Unless the board pull something special out of the bag, i.e. Curbishley or a Billy Davies (both unrealistic I think), I suspect I'll be left wondering what the point of getting rid of Parkinson was. Certainly wouldn't class myself as a Parky-lover but everytime we've had a bad result this season and people have called for his head on here, I've not seen anyone on the list of realistic potential replacements who strikes me as a guaranteed improvement.


    So there IS someone else on here that is thinking like me.

    There are so many people making contradictions on these threads at the moment that I'm in disbelief. On this thread for example:


    [cite]Posted By: Nug[/cite]Interesting that everyone assumes he can't organise a defence. Maybe he just didn't have the players at his disposal good enough for League 1 and wasn't allowed to get anyone else in. I think it's overly simplistic to assume that after years of producing excellent teams he has a major flaw. It's also possible that sometimes managers don't fit or they join a club that's on the slide. It's possible Peterborough had reached their max. Alan Pardew always stated he was at a club in decline when he joined Charlton, I can't stand the bloke but I think there's an element of truth in that. I'm hopeful the decline has stopped and we can rise up again but any manger we are likely to get will have had successes and failures or very young and untested. I think Johnson has more credits than a lot of people being talked about.

    1. Could this not be said for Parkinson?

    2. How do we know who's going to 'fit?' Surely Parkinson already fitted well enough.

    3. Are we now not on the slide? I have very strong doubts because we've turned into a dumb sacking club.
  • Johnson appears to be on a downward spiral, we have been in a similar downward spiral for sometime. For me, Johnson doesnt sit well. Would prefer a Tisdale type who appears to be on the up.
  • The more I think about Gary Johnson, the more I'm not sure he's the right man for the job. Would probably rather Tisdale or Scott at this moment in time.
  • [cite]Posted By: Valley McMoist[/cite]To be honest, I'm not that impressed with his CV. I don't particularly want him. I'd sooner have Mark Bowen who is unproven as a manager but a very good coach

    Bit like Les Reed then.
  • A bit underwhelmed by this. Nothing to suggest he's any better than Parky.

    Odds on favourite now - mind you, so were Wise and Howe.
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Valley McMoist[/cite]To be honest, I'm not that impressed with his CV. I don't particularly want him. I'd sooner have Mark Bowen who is unproven as a manager but a very good coach

    Bit like Les Reed then.

    Not a comparison imo. Uncle Les was known by the players and for some reason appeared to command little or no respect - who can forget the Matt Holland interview.

    Bowen is an unknown quantity but a respected coach. He's a non starter but I'd take a punt if he was available.
  • Jimmymelrose - just bore off. This is not about Parkinson any more. Let's look to the future for Pete's sake.
  • [cite]Posted By: jimmymelrose[/cite]

    1. Could this not be said for Parkinson?

    2. How do we know who's going to 'fit?' Surely Parkinson already fitted well enough.

    3. Are we now not on the slide? I have very strong doubts because we've turned into a dumb sacking club.

    1. I agree with you that a lot of that could be said regarding Parkinson, but I wrote it on the basis that Parky has gone.

    2. We don't.

    3. I think we've been on the slide, with new investment I'd suggest we can't go any lower (can't beleive I said that)

    My post wasn't an opinion on Parky and whether he should have gone, in fact I think he should have stayed till the end of the season. But this thread was about Johnson and I just stated that he had a decent record till Peterbro and I wasn't comparing the two directly but I take your point, is it a step up?
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