Living about 15 miles from Exeter I've seen quite a bit of Tisdale's Exeter City. His major plus point is he doesn't tie his teams to a particular style or formation and isn't afraid to change things if they're not working. One of the few managers I've seen that's brave enough to make a tactical sub before half time.
Good eye for a player, and backs his own judgement. Three years ago I thought Ryan Harley was one of the worst players I'd ever seen, couldn't pass water, now he's their best player.
One thing that worries me about him though. You shouldn't fault a man for being successful but he's never been under any real negative pressure at either of his clubs. Expectation levels were and are so much lower at Bath and Exeter than they are with us - can he cope? This was something that worried me about Eddie Howe as well.
The other issue is, will he come? Stadium expansion planned for next season, he views city as a project apparently, has complete control of the team and has a board and supporters fully behind him.
Southampton were interested in him both pre and post Pardew but he said he wasn't interested.
If you were a young manager (like Tisdale and Howe) your eyes are on the prize of a premier league job. Are you more likely to get there by trying to take a team like Exeter or Bournemouth into the Championship and then leaving for a top six Championship side with money behind them or by risking it all taking over a team like ours. Here you've got to deal with effectively rebuilding a squad and at the same time managing the expectations of an ambitious board and fan-base Then if you do get us up, probably having to rebuild the team again with those same pressures.
We all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
Good post, Imnot .....and good resons why a young manager halfway through a committed project, isn't ready to walk out on all his hard work and loyal backing.
[cite]Posted By: Imnot Athletic[/cite]We all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
Totally agree. Exactly my thoughts, as I've posted on other threads.
We only have one task to achieve this season - and that's promotion.
Nothing else matters.
Once that is achieved, we can think about what comes later at the right time.
Otherwise we could be playing attractive football but still be kicking around this division next season.
good job we are out of the cup as i only made the semi finals this year and then lost to a team the league below us (ahem) dont dwell on that one though it was just a blip
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]good job we are out of the cup as i only made the semi finals this year and then lost to a team the league below us
Well, somebody's got to win that Cup ........so why not you?
Oh, too late.
that was my team talk aswell believe it or not lost by the odd 4 goals oh the shame i feel sick thinking about it now
changed tact into the to be a footballer you must look think and act like one
clean boots, kit bag, kit, tracksuit and coat, dont be late for training or a match or your on the bench,
get the ball down on the deck, work on your first touch, spread it about the whole pitch front to back, get in the box express yourself but relax and if it doesnt work think about your decision making and start again
football easiest game on the planet
helps when you have some real talent fall upon you but we have been woring with these boys for 4 years and i hope to take them on until they are seniors at 17
If we really think that O'Driscoll is the bizzo, then we need to send someone with a bit of charisma up there and hit him with an offer he can't refuse. Less negativity and more action please.
If you were a young manager (like Tisdale and Howe) your eyes are on the prize of a premier league job. Are you more likely to get there by trying to take a team like Exeter or Bournemouth into the Championship and then leaving for a top six Championship side with money behind them or by risking it all taking over a team like ours. Here you've got to deal with effectively rebuilding a squad and at the same time managing the expectations of an ambitious board and fan-base Then if you do get us up, probably having to rebuild the team again with those same pressures.
We all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
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This, for me, very neatly lays out our problem at the moment. We could be the club that is seen by potential new managers as being quite ruthless and, because of our position in a concertina'd league together with a barely adequate and demoralised squad, carries a high risk of severely damaging their growing reputation. I still believe that not knowing who the owners are and our association by name of Wise et al will also make people wary. We're left with just the cheque book to lure a new manager which rather upsets the cautious financial plans. Tisdale would be good, but I'm scared that getting managers like him just won't happen.
A cursory look at the Championship table indicates that the Crystal Palace manager’s job has more than a hint of poisoned chalice about it. They avoided relegation from the Championship on the last day of last season, but their fortunes haven’t been any better this season and they currently sit in the relegation places. Charlton Athletic, meanwhile, could be considered as rivals to Bournemouth amongst those that are currently jostling for position in the play-off places in League One, but there been has a whiff of poison in the air at The Valley of late, and it would be a brave individual that would bet on them above, say, Brighton or Southampton to win one of the division’s automatic promotion places at present.
Perhaps, then, Eddie Howe’s decision was as much pragmatic as it was emotional. It wouldn’t be too much of a leap of the imagination to consider both Crystal Palace and Charlton Athletic to be a potential banana skin for any manager. Both clubs have greater expectations than Bournemouth and are, on balance, currently probably less likely to get anywhere nearer to matching those ambitions than Bournemouth are to wildly exceed their more modest hopes of their supporters. He may even have paused for thought over the dog’s abuse that Roy Hodgson received at Liverpool and considered the cons of taking “the step up” before making his decision to stay at Dean Court. At thirty-three years old, Howe is likely to have a further three or four decades ahead of him as a manager, so it’s hardly as if he doesn’t have time on his side. Why take a chance now, when he has the opportunity to write his name still further into the folklore of AFC Bournemouth?
I read a few things on a palace forum as they too were wondering about him
someone claiming to be very well conected with Exeter claimed that there is absolutely zero chance of him leaving them. He makes Eddie Howe seem like an unloyal prostitute in comparison.
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Good post, Imnot .....and good resons why a young manager halfway through a committed project, isn't ready to walk out on all his hard work and loyal backing.
Posted By: Imnot AthleticWe all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
Totally agree. Exactly my thoughts, as I've posted on other threads.
We only have one task to achieve this season - and that's promotion.
Nothing else matters.
Once that is achieved, we can think about what comes later at the right time.
Otherwise we could be playing attractive football but still be kicking around this division next season. .
Isn't there a contradiction here.
The reason so many people wanted Parkinson out was because of the style of play. He was sacked for his brand of football, or at least that's why people wanted him sacked.
This desperation for promotion will ultimately prevent us from being promoted.
If we are after managers who have a plan b up their sleeves Gary Johnson is a good choice. You don't see many international managers, especially those at supposed inferior nations without a joker in the pack.
Tisdale has done very well wherever he has been.
You just know its going to be the pygmy Wise though
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And what's his win % in Division 3?
Good eye for a player, and backs his own judgement. Three years ago I thought Ryan Harley was one of the worst players I'd ever seen, couldn't pass water, now he's their best player.
One thing that worries me about him though. You shouldn't fault a man for being successful but he's never been under any real negative pressure at either of his clubs. Expectation levels were and are so much lower at Bath and Exeter than they are with us - can he cope? This was something that worried me about Eddie Howe as well.
The other issue is, will he come? Stadium expansion planned for next season, he views city as a project apparently, has complete control of the team and has a board and supporters fully behind him.
Southampton were interested in him both pre and post Pardew but he said he wasn't interested.
If you were a young manager (like Tisdale and Howe) your eyes are on the prize of a premier league job. Are you more likely to get there by trying to take a team like Exeter or Bournemouth into the Championship and then leaving for a top six Championship side with money behind them or by risking it all taking over a team like ours. Here you've got to deal with effectively rebuilding a squad and at the same time managing the expectations of an ambitious board and fan-base Then if you do get us up, probably having to rebuild the team again with those same pressures.
We all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
Totally agree. Exactly my thoughts, as I've posted on other threads.
We only have one task to achieve this season - and that's promotion.
Nothing else matters.
Once that is achieved, we can think about what comes later at the right time.
Otherwise we could be playing attractive football but still be kicking around this division next season.
lost only once this season 2nd in the league 3 games in hand +36 goal difference
Slater what yoiu waiting for give me awhisper and 2 mill on players and i will ensure we go up as champions
Oh, gawd. You'd bring Uncle in as coach.
Although you'd have half the Liverpool reserve team here on loan, so maybe the Board should go for it?
i watch them most weekends
good job we are out of the cup as i only made the semi finals this year and then lost to a team the league below us (ahem) dont dwell on that one though it was just a blip
Well, somebody's got to win that Cup ........so why not you?
Oh, too late.
changed tact into the to be a footballer you must look think and act like one
clean boots, kit bag, kit, tracksuit and coat, dont be late for training or a match or your on the bench,
get the ball down on the deck, work on your first touch, spread it about the whole pitch front to back, get in the box express yourself but relax and if it doesnt work think about your decision making and start again
football easiest game on the planet
helps when you have some real talent fall upon you but we have been woring with these boys for 4 years and i hope to take them on until they are seniors at 17
Good insight Imnot athletic. The board can only ask and hope that he is tempted by the project we have here.
Good point about never being under pressure in a job as well.
If you were a young manager (like Tisdale and Howe) your eyes are on the prize of a premier league job. Are you more likely to get there by trying to take a team like Exeter or Bournemouth into the Championship and then leaving for a top six Championship side with money behind them or by risking it all taking over a team like ours. Here you've got to deal with effectively rebuilding a squad and at the same time managing the expectations of an ambitious board and fan-base Then if you do get us up, probably having to rebuild the team again with those same pressures.
We all love Charlton and we know that we deserve to be back in the big time but I wonder if our strategy should be to appoint a manager to get us out of this division, then appoint a manager capable of taking us to the next level as I think, however much money we have in the bank, we will struggle to appoint someone now who can take us all the way.
..............................
This, for me, very neatly lays out our problem at the moment. We could be the club that is seen by potential new managers as being quite ruthless and, because of our position in a concertina'd league together with a barely adequate and demoralised squad, carries a high risk of severely damaging their growing reputation. I still believe that not knowing who the owners are and our association by name of Wise et al will also make people wary. We're left with just the cheque book to lure a new manager which rather upsets the cautious financial plans. Tisdale would be good, but I'm scared that getting managers like him just won't happen.
A cursory look at the Championship table indicates that the Crystal Palace manager’s job has more than a hint of poisoned chalice about it. They avoided relegation from the Championship on the last day of last season, but their fortunes haven’t been any better this season and they currently sit in the relegation places. Charlton Athletic, meanwhile, could be considered as rivals to Bournemouth amongst those that are currently jostling for position in the play-off places in League One, but there been has a whiff of poison in the air at The Valley of late, and it would be a brave individual that would bet on them above, say, Brighton or Southampton to win one of the division’s automatic promotion places at present.
Perhaps, then, Eddie Howe’s decision was as much pragmatic as it was emotional. It wouldn’t be too much of a leap of the imagination to consider both Crystal Palace and Charlton Athletic to be a potential banana skin for any manager. Both clubs have greater expectations than Bournemouth and are, on balance, currently probably less likely to get anywhere nearer to matching those ambitions than Bournemouth are to wildly exceed their more modest hopes of their supporters. He may even have paused for thought over the dog’s abuse that Roy Hodgson received at Liverpool and considered the cons of taking “the step up” before making his decision to stay at Dean Court. At thirty-three years old, Howe is likely to have a further three or four decades ahead of him as a manager, so it’s hardly as if he doesn’t have time on his side. Why take a chance now, when he has the opportunity to write his name still further into the folklore of AFC Bournemouth?
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someone claiming to be very well conected with Exeter claimed that there is absolutely zero chance of him leaving them. He makes Eddie Howe seem like an unloyal prostitute in comparison.
Isn't there a contradiction here.
The reason so many people wanted Parkinson out was because of the style of play. He was sacked for his brand of football, or at least that's why people wanted him sacked.
This desperation for promotion will ultimately prevent us from being promoted.
Nail on head stuff.
No devine right to promotion. It has to be earned.
And a little luck at crucial times can help.
Tisdale has done very well wherever he has been.
You just know its going to be the pygmy Wise though
Well it could be, if nobody else will come ......!
That's been the plan from the beginning ... we tried elsewhere but no luck ... so Dennis has kindly agreed to help us out in our hour of need ;-)
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