He knows the board, and is more likely to persuade them at this stage to put some money on the table for a transfer budget.
Ferguson may be able to persuade his dad on some Man Utd loan signings, but the rest seem quite a mixed bag. At the moment the team is in a poor run of form, the person appointed needs to sort things out quickly but effectively, and the board may have more faith in Wise than an unknown.
Be interesting to know who are this 6 candidates!. As much as I would love curbs back just cannot see it!. but this is football !
Johnson for me - always liked his teams.
Tisdale - Similar to Howe really. Young, plays nice football. Under the radar.
Hughton is decent - not sure what he knows about this division though (same with Johnson tbf)
Not a massive fan of Mini Fergie - liked him as a player
Definite no-no's for me are Holdsworth, Coleman, Southgate, Jimmy-Floyd.
Posted By: ken from bexley I think that Wise is the right choice.
He knows the board
You could well be right, Ken. But whether or not you intended that to be a wind-up, it is. Put your tin hat on!......
I probably deserve it!,
Yes, I would want Curbs, Chris Powell, but just cannot see it.......
The others on that list ( and there may well be others) look lightweight, or people that if we were in the Championship might have a chance of getting.
When people are proposing Hasselbaink, christ that is the time to worry!
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Posted By: jimmymelroseWith the 3 top class Division 3 managers that you've mentionned now impossible to acquire it's time to move onto the next possibles.
There's a manager available who's got out of this league before, got another team to the play-offs and has proven to be very astute at picking up bargain players.
But like Curbs his football is boring. Oh, and we've got money now, haven't we?
So if we play good football but finish mid table thats OK, but if we don't and go up that's not good enough? We've done so well without Curbs haven't we... .
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I think you need to re-read my post.
I think that we are likely to come out of this looking very very stupid.
If we really had good money then we would be looking at a better class of manager.
So therefore seeing as we're not and as Howe turned us down, we don't have much money and we're probably going to end up worse off than we started.
Some of the managers on here are given credence by claims like 'he got Newport up to 4th in the BSP.' Our manager has done that two leagues higher. Talk about 'the grass is greener on the other side.'
I dont get this "Howe turned us down" "Board, get a move on" "We've obviously got no money" cr@pola.
For all kinds of reasons, this is probably the most important hire the new board will make. They are right to take their time and do their best to get the right man. Remember what happens when you appoint in haste!
There are all kinds of reasons that candidates might not come to us - I have a good deal of respect for Eddie Howe deciding to stay where he is, and think it speaks volumes for the man. It's wholly reasonable for him to explore other opportunities when approached, and wholly reasonable for his loyalty to Bournemouth to hold sway. I'm also encouraged by the comment from Bournemouth that Charlton have behaved in the right way. I would expect this with RM and PV involved but with new owners, who knows?
KP, who's been a decent manager elsewhere in his time, and DM will be capable of guiding this squad until someone else comes in, especially with some of the experienced old heads on the playing staff, so there is no need to make a panic appointment. The owners - whoever they may be - have invested millions in buying this club. they won't be intending to screw up on day one. I would rather they take their time to get the right man, with the closing transfer window a distant secondary consideration. Much better than appointing a canute like Pardew and letting him pish their cash up the wall on desperate signings by the end of January.
Keep cool, people - it will all be all right in the end.
[cite]Posted By: IdleHans[/cite]I dont get this "Howe turned us down" "Board, get a move on" "We've obviously got no money" cr@pola.
For all kinds of reasons, this is probably the most important hire the new board will make. They are right to take their time and do their best to get the right man. Remember what happens when you appoint in haste!
There are all kinds of reasons that candidates might not come to us - I have a good deal of respect for Eddie Howe deciding to stay where he is, and think it speaks volumes for the man. It's wholly reasonable for him to explore other opportunities when approached, and wholly reasonable for his loyalty to Bournemouth to hold sway. I'm also encouraged by the comment from Bournemouth that Charlton have behaved in the right way. I would expect this with RM and PV involved but with new owners, who knows?
KP, who's been a decent manager elsewhere in his time, and DM will be capable of guiding this squad until someone else comes in, especially with some of the experienced old heads on the playing staff, so there is no need to make a panic appointment. The owners - whoever they may be - have invested millions in buying this club. they won't be intending to screw up on day one. I would rather they take their time to get the right man, with the closing transfer window a distant secondary consideration. Much better than appointing a canute like Pardew and letting him pish their cash up the wall on desperate signings by the end of January.
Keep cool, people - it will all be all right in the end.
The new owners have not - as yet - invested millions into the club, they bought it for next to nothing.
What they did do was to guarantee the debt, that is a very different thing indeed.
We still don't know who the owners are and how much money they have - the appointment will help us find out.
Its hard to believe that if we were seriously cashed up - a la Man City - that we could not have tempted Howe from Bournemouth. Maybe he is ultra loyal to them or maybe our transfer budget is not so great after all.
i dont think that Howe was ever leaving if i am honest from what hi heard today he played us abit like a sucker and we moved on before he did now it could be us getting the PR rolling but we will never know.
i also dont think that a war chest in league 1 is required just careful pickings and not paying over the odds for people we will be stuck with if we go up.
[cite]Posted By: IdleHans[/cite]I dont get this "Howe turned us down" "Board, get a move on" "We've obviously got no money" cr@pola.
For all kinds of reasons, this is probably the most important hire the new board will make. They are right to take their time and do their best to get the right man. Remember what happens when you appoint in haste!
There are all kinds of reasons that candidates might not come to us - I have a good deal of respect for Eddie Howe deciding to stay where he is, and think it speaks volumes for the man. It's wholly reasonable for him to explore other opportunities when approached, and wholly reasonable for his loyalty to Bournemouth to hold sway. I'm also encouraged by the comment from Bournemouth that Charlton have behaved in the right way. I would expect this with RM and PV involved but with new owners, who knows?
KP, who's been a decent manager elsewhere in his time, and DM will be capable of guiding this squad until someone else comes in, especially with some of the experienced old heads on the playing staff, so there is no need to make a panic appointment. The owners - whoever they may be - have invested millions in buying this club. they won't be intending to screw up on day one. I would rather they take their time to get the right man, with the closing transfer window a distant secondary consideration. Much better than appointing a canute like Pardew and letting him pish their cash up the wall on desperate signings by the end of January.
Keep cool, people - it will all be all right in the end.
The new owners have not - as yet - invested millions into the club, they bought it for next to nothing.
What they did do was to guarantee the debt, that is a very different thing indeed.
We still don't know who the owners are and how much money they have - the appointment will help us find out.
Its hard to believe that if we were seriously cashed up - a la Man City - that we could not have tempted Howe from Bournemouth. Maybe he is ultra loyal to them or maybe our transfer budget is not so great after all.
Not sure i agree with that.Think Howe took into consideration his age and also that his stock will rise even further should he perform some more miracles at Bournemouth.
Also probably felt that he's still got a lot to learn and mistakes to make and what better place to do it than a place where you are literally worshipped.
We were a big gamble,money or no money, so he played it safe.And at his young age who can blame him.
to be picky, I deliberately didnt say "invested millions into the club".
I meant that they have committed to covering millions of debt, so they wont want to devalue the potential of their investment by cocking up in the first five minutes.
I may be naive but I can quite see why Howe spoke to us but decided to stay where he is - it''s more about the attachment to Bournemouth, and he's almost in a no-lose situation where he is. If Bournemouth go up, his stock will rise further; if not, he's still done a fabulous job and shown loyalty. Either of these will appeal to prospective employers.
When we start talking to available managers and they turn us down, I might begin to worry. But I have to recruit people from time to time, albeit in a different sphere, and I always see several applicants before making an offer. No reason it should be different for CAFC. And the people I recruit tend to be junior / middle level finance bods, where getting the wrong one is a nuisance rather than business-critical - and it still tends to take three weeks or so to get the right one in, so I am far from worrying about this at the moment.
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i dont think that Howe was ever leaving if i am honest from what hi heard today he played us abit like a sucker and we moved on before he did now it could be us getting the PR rolling but we will never know.
i also dont think that a war chest in league 1 is required just careful pickings and not paying over the odds for people we will be stuck with if we go up.
You could be right about Howe playing us off against the Cherries but it just does not seem likely that he would prefer a borassic Bournemouth over a supposedly cashed-up Charlton. Its possible but does not seem that likely in my view.
To me at least it looks like Howe looked at Palace and Charlton and was not overly impressed with either option so stuck with what he knew at Dean Court. He might have seen both jobs as a poisoned chalice.
You might not need to spend fortunes in L1 but it sure does help, look at the way that Saints are motoring, they are even allowing players like Puncheon to go on loan because their squad is so big.
Really don't think we can read anything into Howe staying at Bournemouth that gives us clues about our owners, or how much money they've got!
As NLA implies, Howe has got everything he could ever have wanted. He's doubled his salary , doesn't have to move his family and go house hunting and is still managing a club that sits above is in the league. If he gets them promoted (with home gates around a third of Charlton , Southampton, Huddersfied and Shef Wed), he can get a top half championship team in the summer, if he wants it.
He has turned down Sothampton, Palace and Burnley as well as us, so I really think people are reading far too much into it.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]look at the way that Saints are motoring, they are even allowing players like Puncheon to go on loan because their squad is so big.
They can evidently spare him from their squad ...... or do Southampton, even with money, still have to be careful with their housekeeping?
it would make it a lot easier with bundles of cash thats for sure, but we only have speculation that the moneys there, i was told by 2 different people that there is some serious dough there but i guess like who are owners actually are it could be years before we know
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Really don't think we can read anything into Howe staying at Bournemouth that gives us clues about our owners, or how much money they've got!
As NLA implies, Howe has got everything he could ever have wanted. He's doubled his salary , doesn't have to move his family and go house hunting and is still managing a club that sits above is in the league. If he gets them promoted (with home gates around a third of Charlton , Southampton, Huddersfied and Shef Wed), he can get a top half championship team in the summer, if he wants it.
He has turned down Sothampton, Palace and Burnley as well as us, so I really think people are reading far too much into it.
I don't think he actually turned down Southampton from what Saints Fan said on here earlier this week, that looks like an over-statement. As far as I am aware Adkins was their number one target.
Howe turned down us and Palace because he might not have fancied either job, for whatever reason. As for Burnley, who on earth would want to go there unless you were already a flat-cap merchant of course.
As I said earlier, if we really did have serious money behind us then we should be able to bring in any manager that we want, just like Saints did with Atkins last season when they forced Scunthorpe to release him by sheer weight of cash.
This appointment will be absolutely fascinating, it will tell us a lot more about how much clout we really have.
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He knows the board, and is more likely to persuade them at this stage to put some money on the table for a transfer budget.
Ferguson may be able to persuade his dad on some Man Utd loan signings, but the rest seem quite a mixed bag.
At the moment the team is in a poor run of form, the person appointed needs to sort things out quickly but effectively, and the board may have more faith in Wise than an unknown.
Be interesting to know who are this 6 candidates!. As much as I would love curbs back just cannot see it!. but this is football !
Tisdale - Similar to Howe really. Young, plays nice football. Under the radar.
Hughton is decent - not sure what he knows about this division though (same with Johnson tbf)
Not a massive fan of Mini Fergie - liked him as a player
Definite no-no's for me are Holdsworth, Coleman, Southgate, Jimmy-Floyd.
You could well be right, Ken. But whether or not you intended that to be a wind-up, it is. Put your tin hat on!
Chelsea connections. Was good once. Sign him up. ;-)
I said last week i'd stop going if they employed Brian Laws, well can i now announce i will do the same if they employ Gary Waddock!
O'Driscoll would be number one but we've got about as much chance of that aas we have of gazumping Spurs for D Beck.
Hughton, no chance.
Wouldn't really like Darren Ferguson or Waddock, wouldn't mind Curbs or Scott.
I have no idea how JFH is even coming close to being in the apparent running.
I think that Wise is the right choice.
He knows the board
You could well be right, Ken. But whether or not you intended that to be a wind-up, it is. Put your tin hat on!......
I probably deserve it!,
Yes, I would want Curbs, Chris Powell, but just cannot see it.......
The others on that list ( and there may well be others) look lightweight, or people that if we were in the Championship might have a chance of getting.
When people are proposing Hasselbaink, christ that is the time to worry!
Another one we've missed out on : - )
I think you need to re-read my post.
I think that we are likely to come out of this looking very very stupid.
If we really had good money then we would be looking at a better class of manager.
So therefore seeing as we're not and as Howe turned us down, we don't have much money and we're probably going to end up worse off than we started.
Some of the managers on here are given credence by claims like 'he got Newport up to 4th in the BSP.' Our manager has done that two leagues higher. Talk about 'the grass is greener on the other side.'
Maybe 1st team coach is his next logical step?
For all kinds of reasons, this is probably the most important hire the new board will make. They are right to take their time and do their best to get the right man. Remember what happens when you appoint in haste!
There are all kinds of reasons that candidates might not come to us - I have a good deal of respect for Eddie Howe deciding to stay where he is, and think it speaks volumes for the man. It's wholly reasonable for him to explore other opportunities when approached, and wholly reasonable for his loyalty to Bournemouth to hold sway. I'm also encouraged by the comment from Bournemouth that Charlton have behaved in the right way. I would expect this with RM and PV involved but with new owners, who knows?
KP, who's been a decent manager elsewhere in his time, and DM will be capable of guiding this squad until someone else comes in, especially with some of the experienced old heads on the playing staff, so there is no need to make a panic appointment. The owners - whoever they may be - have invested millions in buying this club. they won't be intending to screw up on day one. I would rather they take their time to get the right man, with the closing transfer window a distant secondary consideration. Much better than appointing a canute like Pardew and letting him pish their cash up the wall on desperate signings by the end of January.
Keep cool, people - it will all be all right in the end.
The new owners have not - as yet - invested millions into the club, they bought it for next to nothing.
What they did do was to guarantee the debt, that is a very different thing indeed.
We still don't know who the owners are and how much money they have - the appointment will help us find out.
Its hard to believe that if we were seriously cashed up - a la Man City - that we could not have tempted Howe from Bournemouth. Maybe he is ultra loyal to them or maybe our transfer budget is not so great after all.
i also dont think that a war chest in league 1 is required just careful pickings and not paying over the odds for people we will be stuck with if we go up.
Not sure i agree with that.Think Howe took into consideration his age and also that his stock will rise even further should he perform some more miracles at Bournemouth.
Also probably felt that he's still got a lot to learn and mistakes to make and what better place to do it than a place where you are literally worshipped.
We were a big gamble,money or no money, so he played it safe.And at his young age who can blame him.
I meant that they have committed to covering millions of debt, so they wont want to devalue the potential of their investment by cocking up in the first five minutes.
I may be naive but I can quite see why Howe spoke to us but decided to stay where he is - it''s more about the attachment to Bournemouth, and he's almost in a no-lose situation where he is. If Bournemouth go up, his stock will rise further; if not, he's still done a fabulous job and shown loyalty. Either of these will appeal to prospective employers.
When we start talking to available managers and they turn us down, I might begin to worry. But I have to recruit people from time to time, albeit in a different sphere, and I always see several applicants before making an offer. No reason it should be different for CAFC. And the people I recruit tend to be junior / middle level finance bods, where getting the wrong one is a nuisance rather than business-critical - and it still tends to take three weeks or so to get the right one in, so I am far from worrying about this at the moment.
You could be right about Howe playing us off against the Cherries but it just does not seem likely that he would prefer a borassic Bournemouth over a supposedly cashed-up Charlton. Its possible but does not seem that likely in my view.
To me at least it looks like Howe looked at Palace and Charlton and was not overly impressed with either option so stuck with what he knew at Dean Court. He might have seen both jobs as a poisoned chalice.
You might not need to spend fortunes in L1 but it sure does help, look at the way that Saints are motoring, they are even allowing players like Puncheon to go on loan because their squad is so big.
As NLA implies, Howe has got everything he could ever have wanted. He's doubled his salary , doesn't have to move his family and go house hunting and is still managing a club that sits above is in the league. If he gets them promoted (with home gates around a third of Charlton , Southampton, Huddersfied and Shef Wed), he can get a top half championship team in the summer, if he wants it.
He has turned down Sothampton, Palace and Burnley as well as us, so I really think people are reading far too much into it.
They can evidently spare him from their squad ...... or do Southampton, even with money, still have to be careful with their housekeeping?
I don't think he actually turned down Southampton from what Saints Fan said on here earlier this week, that looks like an over-statement. As far as I am aware Adkins was their number one target.
Howe turned down us and Palace because he might not have fancied either job, for whatever reason. As for Burnley, who on earth would want to go there unless you were already a flat-cap merchant of course.
As I said earlier, if we really did have serious money behind us then we should be able to bring in any manager that we want, just like Saints did with Atkins last season when they forced Scunthorpe to release him by sheer weight of cash.
This appointment will be absolutely fascinating, it will tell us a lot more about how much clout we really have.
like a beach? ;-)