Hoddle set up his football academy in Spain a couple of years ago for young footballers who had been released from clubs and still want to get a pro-contract. He said he wouldn't go back into management while he was still involved in running the academy, which I think he still is.
No thanks. I read that at Spurs he demoralised his squad in training by doing ball tricks that they couldn't do. Then went and did the same at Wolves. Imagine how someone with his natural talent could demoralise the players we've got.
Perhaps Glens sojourn in Spain working with mere mortals in youngsters who have dropped out of pro football has taught him how to work with players who are not as naturally blessed with skill as himself but still have something to offer. I wouldn't turn my nose up if Hoddle was in fact in the frame to replace Parky.
Hoddle's sacking from the England job was religious discrimination and was a disgrace. I was one of the few people to be appalled by the general public's, the prime minister's (Blair) and the FA's response to him simply stating his religious beliefs (shared by a large percentage of the world's population (Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh)).
He is a good football manager - you only need to look at his record to see that.
My only worry would be that he's been out of the game in England a bit but I think that we will have already done reserach into potential recruits and that Hoddle could see what needs changing with just a week at the training ground.
would we have to remove the disabled facilities though? i mean., we couldn't have all them people who had done such terrible things in previous life's lining the pitch could we? Isn't that worse than whacking a taxi driver? - insulting disabled people? Ultimately, if it's Hoddle so be it but i think we need to get off our moral high horse a little when we're looking at these new owners although i accept that what is unacceptable to some, is irrelevant to others. To me, unless their a paedophile or a Millwall/Palace fan, if they can bring success to our club i'll go with it - i want them to bring success to my club , not marry my daughter.
All this "out of the game too long" talk is rubbish. Hoddle has never been out of football. It's his life and always has been. What's he do now? He runs an academy in Spain that picks up young players that have been released and works with them to try and mould them into players clubs want. Hardly out of the game is he?
Hoddle's problems are probably his man management and his inability to understand why some players can't do magic with a football like he can with his eyes closed. If he can overcome the latter point he could be an excellent coach for us with someone else to do the Manager role.
I'd welcome him with open arms and it would be like having Curbs back as Hoddle's grasp of English grammar is about the same as LAC's.
Keep him out of Press Conferences and other media work and he'll be fine.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]Could get really angry about this but I'll simply say that Hoddle was rightly pilloried for incorrect and offensive comments. The man is a tool.
On a football note, Hoddle would be a better choice than the likes of Wise imo, but he wouldn't be in my top 5 manager choices.
But haven't you ever -- once -- been a tool? I know I have, but I'm lucky enough to be of no interest whatsoever to Her Majesty's Press Corps. He said something stupid -- in response to who knows what kind of leading question -- and now he's a pariah. Unfair. He's not a philosophy or theology don, he's a once superb footballer and a football manager who was good enough for England.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]Could get really angry about this but I'll simply say that Hoddle was rightly pilloried for incorrect and offensive comments. The man is a tool.
On a football note, Hoddle would be a better choice than the likes of Wise imo, but he wouldn't be in my top 5 manager choices.
But haven't you ever -- once -- been a tool? I know I have, but I'm lucky enough to be of no interest whatsoever to Her Majesty's Press Corps. He said something stupid -- in response to who knows what kind of leading question -- and now he's a pariah. Unfair. He's not a philosophy or theology don, he's a once superb footballer and a football manager who was good enough for England.
And Hoddle did an excellent job with Swindon, very good with Chelsea before they had money, he started their resurgance with the likes of Vialli and Gullit joining him there.
Gilbert, I've been a tool plenty of times but it's always been something that I could be repentent about later. Hoddle still holds those views and I personally find them offensive and was glad to see Hoddle rebuked. Don't really want to go to deep into this as its off subject and could cause another negative situation on the board, when there's already plenty of negative vibes about already.
Like I said earlier, Hoddle could be an option, I just don't think he's the right option ;0)
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]Could get really angry about this but I'll simply say that Hoddle was rightly pilloried for incorrect and offensive comments. The man is a tool.
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How were his comments incorrect? If an Indian, Bangladeshi, Nepalese or Indonesian guy had said what he said then it would have been considered OK. He wouldn't have been criticised for fear of upsetting an ethnic minority. Hoddle was vilified because he was caucasian male and the ignorant majority (including Blair) were not used to hearing such ordinary Hindi (plus other religions) beliefs expressed.
Hoddle's mistake was believing that he could discuss his religion with a journalist and to have his beliefs respected by the public and the media. Hoddle is an intelligent guy who has at least tried to find his own way of understanding the meaning of life. The British public however are mostly atheist and uncomfortable with that, and the reaction to what he said was appalling.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]would we have to remove the disabled facilities though? i mean., we couldn't have all them people who had done such terrible things in previous life's lining the pitch could we? Isn't that worse than whacking a taxi driver? - insulting disabled people? Ultimately, if it's Hoddle so be it but i think we need to get off our moral high horse a little when we're looking at these new owners although i accept that what is unacceptable to some, is irrelevant to others. To me, unless their a paedophile or a Millwall/Palace fan, if they can bring success to our club i'll go with it - i want them to bring success to my club , not marry my daughter.
This is ridiculous. Hoddle didn't hit a disabled person like Wise hit a taxi driver.
Have people never heard of re-incarnation and karma? It's really no worse the Christianity which states that you have to believe in Jesus Christ to go to heaven.
If someone says that non believers won't get into heaven, do they lose there job? No. It's religious discrimination.
[cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]Gilbert, I've been a tool plenty of times but it's always been something that I could be repentent about later. Hoddle still holds those views and I personally find them offensive and was glad to see Hoddle rebuked. Don't really want to go to deep into this as its off subject and could cause another negative situation on the board, when there's already plenty of negative vibes about already.
Like I said earlier, Hoddle could be an option, I just don't think he's the right option ;0)
AFKA Bartram has stated that he doesn't want religion discussed on here but I don't see it as off-subject on CL here because it's been brought up with regards as to whether he should be made Charlton manager.
Supposing I said that I don't want Avram Grant because he's Jewish. It's the same thing.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]would we have to remove the disabled facilities though? i mean., we couldn't have all them people who had done such terrible things in previous life's lining the pitch could we? Isn't that worse than whacking a taxi driver? - insulting disabled people? Ultimately, if it's Hoddle so be it but i think we need to get off our moral high horse a little when we're looking at these new owners although i accept that what is unacceptable to some, is irrelevant to others. To me, unless their a paedophile or a Millwall/Palace fan, if they can bring success to our club i'll go with it - i want them to bring success to my club , not marry my daughter.
This is ridiculous. Hoddle didn't hit a disabled person like Wise hit a taxi driver.
Have people never heard of re-incarnation and karma? It's really no worse the Christianity which states that you have to believe in Jesus Christ to go to heaven.
If someone says that non believers won't get into heaven, do they lose there job? No. It's religious discrimination.
Religion should be kept out of everything in my opinion - that and oil are the cause of all wars and its beyond me as to why seemingly intelligent people believe in any of it. It's all nonsense in my book.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]would we have to remove the disabled facilities though? i mean., we couldn't have all them people who had done such terrible things in previous life's lining the pitch could we? Isn't that worse than whacking a taxi driver? - insulting disabled people? Ultimately, if it's Hoddle so be it but i think we need to get off our moral high horse a little when we're looking at these new owners although i accept that what is unacceptable to some, is irrelevant to others. To me, unless their a paedophile or a Millwall/Palace fan, if they can bring success to our club i'll go with it - i want them to bring success to my club , not marry my daughter.
He can take my daughter off my hands too, if he wants!
Religion should be kept out of everything in my opinion - that and oil are the cause of all wars and its beyond me as to why seemingly intelligent people believe in any of it. It's all nonsense in my book.
I agree with you that most religion is nonsense but that's not the point. People have the freedom to practise whatever faith they choose and they also have the right to express their religious beliefs. To take them as an insult is absurd.
Religion can be accused of starting wars but consider why.
-Hitler wanted to exterminate all Jews. He wouldn't allow freedom of thoughts and ideas that countered his own. If the treatment of Hoddle were the norm in our society then that would create problems and possibly civil war.
- Religious wars are due to one religion wishing to eradicate another. Hoddle expressed a belief that the majority claim to be uncomfortable with (although they just haven't thought it through). Hoddle views were shouted down and as good as eradicated. This is the kind of behaviour that leads to war. In other words, your agreement in the the treatment of Hoddle is exactly how religious wars are started. If the religions involved weren't so pacific then it could have caused a lot of unrest in our society.
There is absolutely no evidence to back up his belief that disabled people are disabled because of things they have done in a previous life. It's very insulting to disabled people. Live and let live i say but I don't know how his beliefs became public and maybe he was the victim of the press but if you are in a public position that's the way it is and if he was found to have been a member of the BNP for instance, would he not also have been pulled up on it?
and by the way, where did i say i agree with the treatment of Hoddle? All i was trying to point out is that what is unnacceptable to one person is okay with another and vica versa - i.e Hoddles and Wise's misdemeanours and therefore, within reason, lets stop judging the new regime by some sort of moral code. It's football and since day 1, Chairman and managers have always been a bit Whoo and a bit Whey.
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He is a good football manager - you only need to look at his record to see that.
My only worry would be that he's been out of the game in England a bit but I think that we will have already done reserach into potential recruits and that Hoddle could see what needs changing with just a week at the training ground.
Overall it's a big thumbs up from me.
hoddle all day long
you are bang on with everything i have read of yours in the last 24hrs well done mate quality posting
On a football note, Hoddle would be a better choice than the likes of Wise imo, but he wouldn't be in my top 5 manager choices.
Hoddle's problems are probably his man management and his inability to understand why some players can't do magic with a football like he can with his eyes closed. If he can overcome the latter point he could be an excellent coach for us with someone else to do the Manager role.
I'd welcome him with open arms and it would be like having Curbs back as Hoddle's grasp of English grammar is about the same as LAC's.
Keep him out of Press Conferences and other media work and he'll be fine.
But haven't you ever -- once -- been a tool? I know I have, but I'm lucky enough to be of no interest whatsoever to Her Majesty's Press Corps. He said something stupid -- in response to who knows what kind of leading question -- and now he's a pariah. Unfair. He's not a philosophy or theology don, he's a once superb footballer and a football manager who was good enough for England.
Top post as usual GF
Did a very good job with England too. Very good.
He did very well at Swindon, Chelsea and Southampton, although not so well at Spurs, all in the Premiership of course.
His teams always play great football but are generally weak defensively.
I can't see him being a Pawel Abbott or Simon Francis fan!
Like I said earlier, Hoddle could be an option, I just don't think he's the right option ;0)
How were his comments incorrect? If an Indian, Bangladeshi, Nepalese or Indonesian guy had said what he said then it would have been considered OK. He wouldn't have been criticised for fear of upsetting an ethnic minority. Hoddle was vilified because he was caucasian male and the ignorant majority (including Blair) were not used to hearing such ordinary Hindi (plus other religions) beliefs expressed.
Hoddle's mistake was believing that he could discuss his religion with a journalist and to have his beliefs respected by the public and the media. Hoddle is an intelligent guy who has at least tried to find his own way of understanding the meaning of life. The British public however are mostly atheist and uncomfortable with that, and the reaction to what he said was appalling.
This is ridiculous. Hoddle didn't hit a disabled person like Wise hit a taxi driver.
Have people never heard of re-incarnation and karma? It's really no worse the Christianity which states that you have to believe in Jesus Christ to go to heaven.
If someone says that non believers won't get into heaven, do they lose there job? No. It's religious discrimination.
AFKA Bartram has stated that he doesn't want religion discussed on here but I don't see it as off-subject on CL here because it's been brought up with regards as to whether he should be made Charlton manager.
Supposing I said that I don't want Avram Grant because he's Jewish. It's the same thing.
many thanks, i do my best and i think we're singing off the same songsheet
Religion should be kept out of everything in my opinion - that and oil are the cause of all wars and its beyond me as to why seemingly intelligent people believe in any of it. It's all nonsense in my book.
He can take my daughter off my hands too, if he wants!