Parky hasn't done anything wrong. We're 2nd in the league. He's brought in decent names on frees and 2 with low transfer fees. Give him some money and who knows what he could get...
[cite]Posted By: ross[/cite]Parky hasn't done anything wrong. We're 2nd in the league. He's brought in decent names on frees and 2 with low transfer fees. Give him some money and who knows what he could get...
Depends on who the people coming in are. Murray will be giving a reasonable reference for him and then it will be up to performance, how he gels with the new management and their aims.
I hope they extend his contract, with zero funds he has built a creative team who at times play excting football. We are second in the league in 2 cups and unbeaten for 10 games, we should be showing some faith in him by extending his contract
[cite]Posted By: kimbo[/cite]I hope they extend his contract, with zero funds he has built a creative team who at times play excting football. We are second in the league in 2 cups and unbeaten for 10 games, we should be showing some faith in him by extending his contract
[cite]Posted By: kimbo[/cite]I hope they extend his contract, with zero funds he has built a creative team who at times play excting football. We are second in the league in 2 cups and unbeaten for 10 games, we should be showing some faith in him by extending his contract
You mean extend his contract now? What on earth for?
Let's wait until he has actually acheived something tangible - ie promotion. That will surely be the time to extend it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the attitude he takes himself, too. I do not expect him to go knocking on the new boardroom door come Dec 25, demanding an enhanced contract for 2011-12. He seems an honest and decent man, so he will surely want to deliver first.
There was a thread last week about which other div three players we would like to sign. Between us we only managed to come up with a very short list, which clearly suggested that we think our players are as good or better than almost everyone else in the division. If that is the case - and it's certainly the view I subscribe to - anything less than automatic promotion will mean we have under-performed. This will become even more true if the new owners are able further to strengthen the squad in Jan.
Parky is doing a great job right now. But please let him finish it, before we start handing him his winners medal and a new contract. I'm sure that's the way the new owners will see it, too. Should we miss out on promotion, I can't see anyway they will want him in charge for a third season in div three, after two failed attempts. Should we start next season in the championship (as I confidently anticipate), then he will have earned the right to be the man in charge.
If I were Parky, I'd be looking to extend my period of financial security. I'd heard (from SW) that other clubs were sniffing around last season. He's up for manager of the month and doing well at present, so I think it's safe to assume that there will be other clubs who are interested in him. If you had the choice of a firm job offer on the table now or a wait and see offer, what would you do? He's been on lowish pay, gone through the mill a bit with supporters, had very little money and at times has looked completely drained. RM , whom Parky gets on with, is leaving and new owners are coming in. Maybe we should be asking why Parky would want to stay?
[cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]Maybe we should be asking why Parky would want to stay?
Because he's an honourable man and he wants to finish the job he's started and return us to the championship before he starts considering his options,perhaps. Or am I being too naive?
If we wait until the end of the season he might get a better offer that he can't refuse
Parky could and should be the future of this club and for all the shit he's had to put up with since he got here he deserves our full backing and, if money permits, a new contract
But if we don't get promoted, it will mean that the second half of our season will have gone horribly wrong and under those circs. the new owners will want a new man rather than giving Parky a third time lucky chance to get us out of this division - and quite reasonably so.
If the new owners extend his contract now and by some mishap we don't go up, they are only going to have to sack him in May and pay him off like Pardew. So why on earth would they risk that?
Thankfully, I don't think it's going to happen and we will be in the championship next season - hopefully with Parky in charge, having signed a new contract in May.
I think Parky has done a good job in the last couple of seasons. I doubt a flash manager would succeed in his place without flash money to back him and frankly this is Charlton, would we be comfortable with that? And all you people who are confident that we will be in the Championship next season. That would be lovely, I hope so too, but look at the points lead we have over the playoff pack and below, look at how many games there are left to play...and always remember to read the label first regarding correct dose and contraindications.
Parky would want to stay as new backing could mean that there a big opportunities to take the club further. He has had to wheel and deal and replace many of our best players and massively cut the wage bill. He has done a great job in that respect creating a balanced and much better squad than we had last season and indeed the season before when he inherited a missively unbalanced squad. My only criticism of him is that I think he can be a bit too conservative sometimes tactically and not take opportunities to try new things when the opportunities are there but I wouldn't want to change him- definitely needs till the end of the season and an extension and reward when he gets us up. his ability to sniff out a player far outwieghs his weakness IMO. He knows the strengths and weaknesses in the squad and the new board's money will be better spent allowing him to address the weaknessess rather than given to a new man who could create a mess bringing in the worng players because he doesn't know the team well enough.
If we get to the end of the season and Parky gets a better offer from elsewhere - that will tell us everything we need to know about him.
We will only be successful again with real Charlton people and real Charlton players - by which I mean, people who have been given a chance to shine by the Club and feel indebted to us. This is the kind of loyalty we expect, because as fans, that is the loyalty we offer.
Parky had a offer when he was our asst-mgr and we persuaded him to stay with us - it is up to him now to deliver success at Charlton.
I imagine if we get promoted he will be offered a new contract, if not then we may have to start looking at other managers.
Have been very impressed with the signings he has made on a tight budget, but despite how people go on, he has more resources at his disposal than the majority of managers in this league and not gaining promotion will be seen as a failure.
Now is not the time to offer him a contract extension, new owners or not. An extension should be in recognition of an achievement and so far he has achieved nothing of note unless you call relegation and a failure to get us promoted out of a tin pot league an achievement. He's doing well at the moment but let's wait and see how the rest of the season pans out.
[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]If we get to the end of the season and Parky gets a better offer from elsewhere - that will tell us everything we need to know about him.
It would tell us absolutely nothing about him as a person but would reveal a lot about modern society. If he can get some form of job security he would be a fool to turn it down.
This is the man who paid a players wages for us as we couldn't afford him
This is the man who has had to massively reduce our expenditure on wages
If we offered him £3k a week as manager and someone else offered him double that it would tell me nothing about him as a person and more that he did the sensible thing if he took it.
I am fairly sure he is happy to stay here and we are his project but thats a risky game on our part - especially given the good job he is doing here at present
I am fairly sure he is happy to stay here and we are his project but thats a risky game on our part - especially given the good job he is doing here at present
Key words there are ''at present''.
No reason to believe that he won't continue doing a good job.
But as Large says, let's get promotion in the bag first before we start rewarding St Phil with a tasty new contract. I'd be astonished if that isn't the way the new owners will see it, too.
For paying the player's wages alone he deserves a significantly improved deal but should be promotion dependant. I honestly believe that this takeover development has pushed us up from probable to very likely, to achieve this.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]Now is not the time to offer him a contract extension, new owners or not. An extension should be in recognition of an achievement and so far he has achieved nothing of note unless you call relegation and a failure to get us promoted out of a tin pot league an achievement. He's doing well at the moment but let's wait and see how the rest of the season pans out.
[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]If we get to the end of the season and Parky gets a better offer from elsewhere - that will tell us everything we need to know about him.
It would tell us absolutely nothing about him as a person but would reveal a lot about modern society. If he can get some form of job security he would be a fool to turn it down.
This is the man who paid a players wages for us as we couldn't afford him
This is the man who has had to massively reduce our expenditure on wages
If we offered him £3k a week as manager and someone else offered him double that it would tell me nothing about him as a person and more that he did the sensible thing if he took it.
I am fairly sure he is happy to stay here and we are his project but thats a risky game on our part - especially given the good job he is doing here at present
Fully agree with this. If we dither, we may lose him, although I can also understand the view that he needs success on the pitch first. It's a bit of a gamble, and not one I would take, but whatever happens, I think Parky has shown total loyalty, above and beyond. There's been a lot of highly unjustified shit been thrown at him because supporters don't know the full facts of all that has happened. Maybe more things will emerge later, and if they do, I suspect that it will change quite a few opinions.
Put yourself in Parky's shoes. If you have had to deal with the ever increasing financial constraints as he as and come through all of that including being a game or two from possibly losing your job. I would have thought the fact that the future now looks much better and financial support looks probable will make him all the more determined to finsih what he has started.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Put yourself in Parky's shoes. If you have had to deal with the ever increasing financial constraints as he as and come through all of that including being a game or two from possibly losing your job. I would have thought the fact that the future now looks much better and financial support looks probable will make him all the more determined to finsih what he has started.
Agree. Can't see why he'd want to leave. This is possibly the only chance he'll get in his career as a manager at a club with real potential to get back to the Prem. If he had been sacked in the last couple of years at best he'd have ended up at an average League One side at best, unless Reading took a chance on him. Blackpool show it's not impossible but we've been there before and have the stadium, training facilities, academy etc.
People on here who were predicting a mid table finish and at times were talking about relegation, are now saying that if we do not get promoted it is a complete failure and Parky should go. I feel that he has done an excellent job of turning attitudes around and bringing in the right players, hopefully we can somehow get promoted i think its also fairly likely we will not. I would still like to see Parky as the manager as it feels at last this club is moving forward on lots of levels and would continue to do so under Parky's management.
if parky doesn't think he can get us promoted then he ought to take a job offer elsewhere,but if he thinks he'll get the job done, why wouldn't he stick around for the improved contract offer that we'd give him in the championship.
would we still want him if he fails to get promotion?
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]For paying the player's wages alone he deserves a significantly improved deal
I must have missed this happening.
Am I allowed to ask when did this happen and who was the player?
Fantastic gesture by Parky!
Shows the true quality of the man.
It was when Jackson got injured and we needed yet another LB loanee, Parky asked RM and he said he's sorry but he simply doesn't have the funds for it. Parky went and got Borrowdale and paid his wages out of his own pocket to try and improve the team and our chances of promotion
[cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]if parky doesn't think he can get us promoted then he ought to take a job offer elsewhere,but if he thinks he'll get the job done, why wouldn't he stick around for the improved contract offer that we'd give him in the championship.
would we still want him if he fails to get promotion?
Spot on comment.
I'm certain he believes he can and will get us promoted. If he doesn't think that, then he shouldn't be here. As he has faith in himself and his players getting us promoted, of course he will stick around until the end of the season. Then if he has succeeded, he will be in a very nice position to negotiate a suitably generous championship-level salary.
The answer to your question about if we don't get promoted, however, is that whatver we think, I would guess there is little chance that ambitious new owners will be prepared give him a third chance to try and get us out of this godawful division.
Like Oggy, I didn't know the particulars of this story about him paying a player's wages. If true, I'm rather disappointed that Richard Murray could let that happen. However admirable on St Phil's part, it seems quite wrong on the part of the club, to me. On edit: just seen Plaayer's comment below, suggesting the club wanted this kept under wraps. I'm not surprised. Yes, it refelcts enormous credit on Parkinson. But totally wrong of the club to have let it happen, in my book).
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Only they can tell you whether they want to change. My guess would be that it will be promotion dependent.
Depends on who the people coming in are. Murray will be giving a reasonable reference for him and then it will be up to performance, how he gels with the new management and their aims.
I expect he will get a contract renewal if we are promoted which seems fair enough.
What Kimbo said.
You mean extend his contract now? What on earth for?
Let's wait until he has actually acheived something tangible - ie promotion. That will surely be the time to extend it. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the attitude he takes himself, too. I do not expect him to go knocking on the new boardroom door come Dec 25, demanding an enhanced contract for 2011-12. He seems an honest and decent man, so he will surely want to deliver first.
There was a thread last week about which other div three players we would like to sign. Between us we only managed to come up with a very short list, which clearly suggested that we think our players are as good or better than almost everyone else in the division. If that is the case - and it's certainly the view I subscribe to - anything less than automatic promotion will mean we have under-performed. This will become even more true if the new owners are able further to strengthen the squad in Jan.
Parky is doing a great job right now. But please let him finish it, before we start handing him his winners medal and a new contract. I'm sure that's the way the new owners will see it, too. Should we miss out on promotion, I can't see anyway they will want him in charge for a third season in div three, after two failed attempts. Should we start next season in the championship (as I confidently anticipate), then he will have earned the right to be the man in charge.
Because he's an honourable man and he wants to finish the job he's started and return us to the championship before he starts considering his options,perhaps. Or am I being too naive?
Parky could and should be the future of this club and for all the shit he's had to put up with since he got here he deserves our full backing and, if money permits, a new contract
If the new owners extend his contract now and by some mishap we don't go up, they are only going to have to sack him in May and pay him off like Pardew. So why on earth would they risk that?
Thankfully, I don't think it's going to happen and we will be in the championship next season - hopefully with Parky in charge, having signed a new contract in May.
We will only be successful again with real Charlton people and real Charlton players - by which I mean, people who have been given a chance to shine by the Club and feel indebted to us. This is the kind of loyalty we expect, because as fans, that is the loyalty we offer.
Parky had a offer when he was our asst-mgr and we persuaded him to stay with us - it is up to him now to deliver success at Charlton.
Have been very impressed with the signings he has made on a tight budget, but despite how people go on, he has more resources at his disposal than the majority of managers in this league and not gaining promotion will be seen as a failure.
It would tell us absolutely nothing about him as a person but would reveal a lot about modern society. If he can get some form of job security he would be a fool to turn it down.
This is the man who paid a players wages for us as we couldn't afford him
This is the man who has had to massively reduce our expenditure on wages
If we offered him £3k a week as manager and someone else offered him double that it would tell me nothing about him as a person and more that he did the sensible thing if he took it.
I am fairly sure he is happy to stay here and we are his project but thats a risky game on our part - especially given the good job he is doing here at present
Key words there are ''at present''.
No reason to believe that he won't continue doing a good job.
But as Large says, let's get promotion in the bag first before we start rewarding St Phil with a tasty new contract. I'd be astonished if that isn't the way the new owners will see it, too.
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Fully agree with this. If we dither, we may lose him, although I can also understand the view that he needs success on the pitch first. It's a bit of a gamble, and not one I would take, but whatever happens, I think Parky has shown total loyalty, above and beyond. There's been a lot of highly unjustified shit been thrown at him because supporters don't know the full facts of all that has happened. Maybe more things will emerge later, and if they do, I suspect that it will change quite a few opinions.
I must have missed this happening.
Am I allowed to ask when did this happen and who was the player?
Fantastic gesture by Parky!
Shows the true quality of the man.
would we still want him if he fails to get promotion?
It was when Jackson got injured and we needed yet another LB loanee, Parky asked RM and he said he's sorry but he simply doesn't have the funds for it. Parky went and got Borrowdale and paid his wages out of his own pocket to try and improve the team and our chances of promotion
Spot on comment.
I'm certain he believes he can and will get us promoted. If he doesn't think that, then he shouldn't be here. As he has faith in himself and his players getting us promoted, of course he will stick around until the end of the season. Then if he has succeeded, he will be in a very nice position to negotiate a suitably generous championship-level salary.
The answer to your question about if we don't get promoted, however, is that whatver we think, I would guess there is little chance that ambitious new owners will be prepared give him a third chance to try and get us out of this godawful division.
Like Oggy, I didn't know the particulars of this story about him paying a player's wages. If true, I'm rather disappointed that Richard Murray could let that happen. However admirable on St Phil's part, it seems quite wrong on the part of the club, to me. On edit: just seen Plaayer's comment below, suggesting the club wanted this kept under wraps. I'm not surprised. Yes, it refelcts enormous credit on Parkinson. But totally wrong of the club to have let it happen, in my book).