Why do people at The Valley let away fans come to the Valley and rule it? How can you let this happen? how can it not make you get up and shout some shit back?
[cite]Posted By: BR7_addick[/cite]You may think I'm mad but I believe atmosphere from the stands DOES affect the players, so why not make noise from all three stands and let our boys know we're behind them, and also let the opposition players we don't like them (by this I mean don't want them scoring etc). This isn't being a muppet or being yobish this is just doing our bit for the team.
Long live the covered end H block, J block and all the fans who're on there feet all game expression their passion for the team vocally, we need more abuse at opposition players and more songs like " SEEEEMMMMMMMMEEEEEDDDDOOOOOOOO OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH" to let them know we love them.
Prime example last season, our boys were completely gutless at the New Den, the occasion got to them and so did songs like "No one likes us" ringing in their ears all game. Also Swindon at home playoff, our fans booing Swindon players everytime they got the ball, it was terrific, and we outplayed them for 90 minutes, albeit a cock up let them back in the game. It felt like a Football atmosphere!
So because you *think* it has an effect, we all have to sing and clap to make you happy else we get slagged off. You cannot list 2 matches in the history of football to back up an argument that creating an atmosphere makes the team player better.
[cite]Posted By: CafcAndy[/cite]Im not saying go and fight the little grebs, but some intimidation would have been nice.
Would it really though? I would rather say nothing than get a punch in the face to be honest.
Why would I spend the whole day listing games where atmosphere has effected the players? That is plain stupid what you've just said. And you're not going to get a punch in the face for making an intimidating atmosphere, unless you go looking for trouble, it happens at most grounds in the country.
Look at it this way, don't you think maybe 1 time!, just 1 time, all the people that stand and sing loud every home game deserve a game where the west stand sing? or if its not asking to much then maybe sing for 10minutes? please? it would honestly make my day and you never know..... you might enjoy it :-)
[cite]Posted By: BR7_addick[/cite]I can only assume you are an elderly women?
And you're not going to get a punch in the face for making an intimidating atmosphere, unless you go looking for trouble, it happens at most grounds in the country.
I was responding to you suggesting that those in the East Stand go and approach 20 Millwall fans who are 'larging it' in the stand. No thanks.
[cite]Posted By: BR7_addick[/cite]
Why would I spend the whole day listing games where atmosphere has effected the players? That is plain stupid what you've just said.
I'm not suggesting you list hundreds of games where atmosphere has effected the players. I'm merely pointing out that 2 examples of games where a good atmosphere at The Valley has happened at the same time as a good performance does not prove that a good atmosphere causes the players to put in a better performance. I could just as easily argue that it's the other way around.
I like the cut of your jib IA - you respond positively everytime you post something you agree with. You're a true football fan.
Spot on, Off It. I am a true football fan.
Seriously, jazzyjazzy, BR7 and Andy, I'm a stander and singer when I can get to matches, but this constant attack on other people in other stands is tiring and based on lies. Every away ground you go to this season will be fairly quiet, and away fans almost always outsing home fans at every ground in the league, that's just the way it is.
Yes your correct IA, but the difference is that at when home grounds around the country decide to make noise.... you can hear them! almost everybody joins in! that is our point, at The Valley only the north upper and maybe 20 % elsewhere joins in!
Booing our own players is the biggest waste of breath, the board know when things aren't going right. Granpas with bovrils booing at Brighton at home. "Parky out!" put your teeth back in and sip your bovril if that's the only noise you can make because it doesn't help anyone.
Francis at right back making cock-ups and sighs all around the ground, GET BEHIND THE BOYS and encourage!!!!!!!!
CafcAndy, with the greatest respect, you seem so intent on slagging off Charlton fans that I am begining to wonder if you are on some sort of wind up.
Whilst I understand the points you are making - and have said so, it seems to me that if anyone puts forward a different view you stick in some sort of half arse "bovril" or "typical charlton" or "nobody" swipe type of comment. That or else someone must be in "the clique" for disagreeing.
For the last time. Nobody is disagreeing with you that the atmosphere could be better - as is the same at probably just about every other ground in the country. Just don't see why you have to keep going on about it as if your way is the only way and that there is "something wrong" with people who chose to support their club in a slightly different way to you. You get me?
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]Yes your correct IA, but the difference is that at when home grounds around the country decide to make noise.... you can hear them! almost everybody joins in! that is our point, at The Valley only the north upper and maybe 20 % elsewhere joins in!
That's not been my experience at any away game I've been to in League 1 (which is where we are). I've been to a fair collection of big boys and smaller clubs at this level, and all of them had a singing section with the rest of the ground moaning/shouting abuse/occasionally clapping.
I'll add to CafcAndy's examples: Peterborough away. Their singing section suddenly started singing in the second half nd they managed to bring the match back from 0-4 to 1-5.
As I have said, I have sat in the West stand a few times and the looks I used to get when I stand and sing were crazy. I honestly felt I was being naughty.
And using Millsmall as an indicator is well off the mark ... there have been a number of threads on their forums over the last few weeks where they are complaining about the lack of noise and atmosphere from their own fans.
It ain't just us ... it pisses me off as well but would seem to be the norm these days around most of the country.
Oh ... and slagging off our own fans is not the way forward ... why not be proactive and try to find a better way to address it?
[cite]Posted By: stonemuse[/cite]And using Millsmall as an indicator is well off the mark ... there have been a number of threads on their forums over the last few weeks where they are complaining about the lack of noise and atmosphere from their own fans.
It ain't just us ... it pisses me off as well but would seem to be the norm these days around most of the country.
Oh ... and slagging off our own fans is not the way forward ... why not be proactive and try to find a better way to address it?
I think every way possible has been try'd to address it
And there he goes again. Not willing, or else completely unable, to take someone else's opinion into account.
Must be "the clique" - because that's an easy answer to everything.
Ta ta Andy - would like to say it's been nice listening to you. Would like to. Maybe next time we might even be able to have a reasoned discussion without resorting to stero-types. I mean, heaven forbid if someone called you a coin throwing neanderthal moron just because of where you sat in a football ground. Me, I'd never do that personally.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]For god sake, we are not wrong here. Even Parky put on the official website that we need a better atmosphere
its like arguing with a child!...read the comments. nobody is saying you are wrong, we know our home support isnt great. they are just saying that 'support' can be adopted in many ways, whether its singing for 90 minutes or sitting, watching the game and clapping/cheering when we score.
YOU WORRY ABOUT HOW YOU ENJOY YOUR SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND OTHERS WILL DO THE SAME.
[cite]Posted By: jazzyjazzyjazzy[/cite]For god sake, we are not wrong here. Even Parky put on the official website that we need a better atmosphere
I don't think anyone is doubting you are wrong, im just pissed of for the people who do want to create an atmosphere and are too scared to do so.
From a kid into my teens i sat in the west, and on the big occasions everyone would join in with songs ect. Got worse ever since.
The people who don't like to sing and shout seem to have something against the people that do, hence why you wont get much singing in these areas from the people that do.
Absolutely, they must do - probably why those who don't sing and shout started a thread about it, yeah?
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So because you *think* it has an effect, we all have to sing and clap to make you happy else we get slagged off. You cannot list 2 matches in the history of football to back up an argument that creating an atmosphere makes the team player better.
Would it really though? I would rather say nothing than get a punch in the face to be honest.
I can only assume you are an elderly women?
Why would I spend the whole day listing games where atmosphere has effected the players? That is plain stupid what you've just said.
And you're not going to get a punch in the face for making an intimidating atmosphere, unless you go looking for trouble, it happens at most grounds in the country.
(PS. I'd prefer Ovaltine in mine please - tea is a bit too strong for me, even milky tea)
I agree
I like the cut of your jib IA - you respond positively everytime you post something you agree with. You're a true football fan.
I was responding to you suggesting that those in the East Stand go and approach 20 Millwall fans who are 'larging it' in the stand. No thanks.
I'm not suggesting you list hundreds of games where atmosphere has effected the players. I'm merely pointing out that 2 examples of games where a good atmosphere at The Valley has happened at the same time as a good performance does not prove that a good atmosphere causes the players to put in a better performance. I could just as easily argue that it's the other way around.
Now that is a great point! Nobody can argue with that. BOOOOOOOM!
Spot on, Off It. I am a true football fan.
Seriously, jazzyjazzy, BR7 and Andy, I'm a stander and singer when I can get to matches, but this constant attack on other people in other stands is tiring and based on lies. Every away ground you go to this season will be fairly quiet, and away fans almost always outsing home fans at every ground in the league, that's just the way it is.
Granpas with bovrils booing at Brighton at home. "Parky out!" put your teeth back in and sip your bovril if that's the only noise you can make because it doesn't help anyone.
Francis at right back making cock-ups and sighs all around the ground, GET BEHIND THE BOYS and encourage!!!!!!!!
Whilst I understand the points you are making - and have said so, it seems to me that if anyone puts forward a different view you stick in some sort of half arse "bovril" or "typical charlton" or "nobody" swipe type of comment. That or else someone must be in "the clique" for disagreeing.
For the last time. Nobody is disagreeing with you that the atmosphere could be better - as is the same at probably just about every other ground in the country. Just don't see why you have to keep going on about it as if your way is the only way and that there is "something wrong" with people who chose to support their club in a slightly different way to you. You get me?
if another club reads this id be more embarrased by the comments from the supposed 'vocal north' than the west stand clan.
That's not been my experience at any away game I've been to in League 1 (which is where we are). I've been to a fair collection of big boys and smaller clubs at this level, and all of them had a singing section with the rest of the ground moaning/shouting abuse/occasionally clapping.
I'll add to CafcAndy's examples: Peterborough away. Their singing section suddenly started singing in the second half nd they managed to bring the match back from 0-4 to 1-5.
Ah well, I've tried. Someone else can have a go now.
It ain't just us ... it pisses me off as well but would seem to be the norm these days around most of the country.
Oh ... and slagging off our own fans is not the way forward ... why not be proactive and try to find a better way to address it?
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I think every way possible has been try'd to address it
Must be "the clique" - because that's an easy answer to everything.
Ta ta Andy - would like to say it's been nice listening to you. Would like to. Maybe next time we might even be able to have a reasoned discussion without resorting to stero-types. I mean, heaven forbid if someone called you a coin throwing neanderthal moron just because of where you sat in a football ground. Me, I'd never do that personally.
its like arguing with a child!...read the comments. nobody is saying you are wrong, we know our home support isnt great. they are just saying that 'support' can be adopted in many ways, whether its singing for 90 minutes or sitting, watching the game and clapping/cheering when we score.
YOU WORRY ABOUT HOW YOU ENJOY YOUR SATURDAY AFTERNOON AND OTHERS WILL DO THE SAME.
fuckin hell its not rocket science.
Absolutely, they must do - probably why those who don't sing and shout started a thread about it, yeah?