Lets all eat some humble pie after that poll a few weeks ago. Parky could have walked had Benson not scored taht late winner at Southend- now he has discovered the missing formula in teh nick of time -COYRs -GET IN THEIR PARKY - whilst we were thinking things had to change I think most of us like him and dearly wanted him to achieve this turn around.
Agree with Muttley, seems like Parky and the team are learning together and the spirit amongst the lads is very good. The secret now is to build on it and focus on that automatic place, if we think top six then that's the best we will achieve. I can't remember the last time I felt so good about our prospects, and I'm realising what a difference getting back to the Championship would make. Even if we were hovering around the middle, the fact is that the next step up is the Premiership. Potential investors would see us differently, sponsors likewise, and we might even get an occasional mention in the Press. Onwards and upwards !
This humble pie tastes good!! Keep up the good work Mr Philip Parkinson.
But, that's what it takes sometimes, like any relationship: you disagree, you make-up. Some relationships grow stronger some just plaster over the cracks: that's life!
The thing is, now we have found a balance and to be fair its something we have been searching for for a few years now - you can now see a way where we can go up and be competetive in the Championship. Its more that than the results that is giving me a great feeling. It's amazing how problem areas have become strengths in such a short space of time. With my feet firmly back on the ground, we must remember this is Charlton and something bad may be waiting for us around the corner. Asinyah is soooooo important and one such disaster would be if he got injured.
Well done to him, i said i wanted him 2 have 2 or 3 games to change it around and his game me 3 wins! Perfect! Always wanted him to turn it around tho, his a nice fella! PARKYS RED AND WHITE ARMY!!!!!
I said I would hold my hands up if Parky turned it around, I will happily admit he has done that and I was wrong. Same goes for Benson! Well done Parky and the rest of the team. Long may it continue.
I think Parky should thank us. If we had let them walk off the pitch after the Brighton defeat with polite applause and a shrug of our shoulders and a 'oh well, these things happen, just a blip' would things have changed ? As it was it made Parky sit them down, analyse each performance of the season so far, what was right and what was wrong, and he told them the time for excuses was over, no more 'I've only be here a month', 'I'm still finding my feet' etc etc. We since heard various players say that it was time to stand up and be counted and some say that they were not performing as they should. Sometimes it takes a sound beating to take a good look at yourselves and say yes this needs improving or this is wrong, that is wrong etc. I think the Brighton reaction jerked Parky and the team out of a slumber and I very much doubt that without that reaction we would have good the three results since that we have. And some say that booing is counterproductive ...
[quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I think Parky should thank us. If we had let them walk off the pitch after the Brighton defeat with polite applause and a shrug of our shoulders and a 'oh well, these things happen, just a blip' would things have changed ? As it was it made Parky sit them down, analyse each performance of the season so far, what was right and what was wrong, and he told them the time for excuses was over, no more 'I've only be here a month', 'I'm still finding my feet' etc etc. We since heard various players say that it was time to stand up and be counted and some say that they were not performing as they should. Sometimes it takes a sound beating to take a good look at yourselves and say yes this needs improving or this is wrong, that is wrong etc. I think the Brighton reaction jerked Parky and the team out of a slumber and I very much doubt that without that reaction we would have good the three results since that we have. And some say that booing is counterproductive ...[/quote]
that is the clear conclusion you can draw from events starting with the playoffs in May and ending last night.
Its a serious point. Those who call for the manager's head in this division then struggle to say who realistically could be recruited, and would be better. Then when they are challenged, they tend to say, "'well that's the Board's job, to identify replacements". This is the third division, and managers are here because they are not Alan Curbishley or...err...Roy Hodgson (whom I always thought would be an ideal replacement for Curbs and is now a national laughing stock). For the same reason, Paul Benson cannot trap the ball or lay it off like Shaun Bartlett or Andy Hunt. We got used to those standards, while the vast majority of Brighton fans have never seen strikers like those two in their shirts.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]And some say that booing is counterproductive
Large
Speaking for myself as an anti-booer, I have no problem with the team being booed off at the end of a performance like that against Brighton apparently was. But do you accept that there is a big difference between that and booing David Mooney in the warm-up to a game? Or booing a young player like JonJo Shelvey, ever?
I'm hoping one of these days to be able to discuss all this with you in your cab :-)
The huge irony is that you could argue it was the injury to Reid saved Parky's bacon. Ironic because when he went off late in the Brighton game, we all thought that was the end of any threat we might have posed opposition defences for the next month.
Instead, Jackson came into the midfield, giving us the balance we had previously lacked and enabling Racon and Semedo to take games by the scruff of the neck. As a result we've won three on the spin and played our best football of the season.
I think Parky was a bit slow to change tactics to be fair. Myself and and quite a few others were calling for the sort of changes he made after the Brighton game. But then again, it's one thing saying we should be playing Anyinsah but if he isn't match fit parky has to be careful. Also calling for the midfield to get a bit of help which he addressed but maybe because Reid got injured! Having said all that - look at some of his poundland signings - you can't say any of them have been complete failiures and most have been very succesful and Benson and Anyinsah have been beyond what we could have hoped for. So for me- we should forgive him his slowness to adapt his tactics which I do believe has been a failing and rejoice at his ability to build a team - because after all he did address this finally and without his judgement, we wouldn't have such a strong group of players given the reources and problems he faced in the Summer.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]The huge irony is that you could argue it was the injury to Reid saved Parky's bacon. Ironic because when he went off late in the Brighton game, we all thought that was the end of any threat we might have posed opposition defences for the next month.
Instead, Jackson came into the midfield, giving us the balance we had previously lacked and enabling Racon and Semedo to take games by the scruff of the neck. As a result we've won three on the spin and played our best football of the season.
I'm very happy with the last three results and the last two performances. Let's hope this continues. It makes a nice change to see the team responding to our anger, the manager's anger and their own pride after the Brighton 4-0 defeat. We're not up yet and we're not confirmed in the play offs - let's not score points on this forum - we are entitled to our opinions - the pros and the cons.
We all want the same thing and the last two games have given us that - doesn't mean, on the other hand, that we might not go and lose our next 3 games and the merry-go-round begins again - we are worse off currently than where we were last year!
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]And some say that booing is counterproductive
Large
Speaking for myself as an anti-booer, I have no problem with the team being booed off at the end of a performance like that against Brighton apparently was. But do you accept that there is a big difference between that and booing David Mooney in the warm-up to a game? Or booing a young player like JonJo Shelvey, ever?
I'm hoping one of these days to be able to discuss all this with you in your cab :-)
Of course there is a big difference. I wouldn't advocate booing anyone, Mooney or otherwise, during an actual game. That is counterproductive. I wouldn't blame Mooney either. He isn't a very good player but was signed by Parky so it's his fault not the players. The booing of Kim Grant too during the game was disgraceful. As for booing a young player. Why would anyone do that? That is totally non-sensical. For the record I didn't even boo the team off after the Brighton game. My booing was directed at Parky and Parky only. He was to blame, no-one else.
BTW, I don't drive a cab but maybe when my Banking career ends next month I may consider it.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]I think Parky should thank us. If we had let them walk off the pitch after the Brighton defeat with polite applause and a shrug of our shoulders and a 'oh well, these things happen, just a blip' would things have changed ? As it was it made Parky sit them down, analyse each performance of the season so far, what was right and what was wrong, and he told them the time for excuses was over, no more 'I've only be here a month', 'I'm still finding my feet' etc etc. We since heard various players say that it was time to stand up and be counted and some say that they were not performing as they should. Sometimes it takes a sound beating to take a good look at yourselves and say yes this needs improving or this is wrong, that is wrong etc. I think the Brighton reaction jerked Parky and the team out of a slumber and I very much doubt that without that reaction we would have good the three results since that we have. And some say that booing is counterproductive ...
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Lets all eat some humble pie after that poll a few weeks ago. Parky could have walked had Benson not scored taht late winner at Southend- now he has discovered the missing formula in teh nick of time -COYRs -GET IN THEIR PARKY - whilst we were thinking things had to change I think most of us like him and dearly wanted him to achieve this turn around.
Actually a large number of people said 'wait and see what happens in the next few games'
We did and they turne dit around so that poll was quite acurate.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]Lets all eat some humble pie after that poll a few weeks ago.
Why Mutts ?
I found the poll results pretty fascinating. On a decent sized sample, there was a near identical split between those wanting him sacked, those wanting to back him, and those who basically didn't know what to do for the best but were desperate to see a pick up in the short-term.
Even at what hopefully was our lowest point, there appeared just as many people still prepared to back the manager beyond the short-term as there was who wanted him fired.
I'm someone who was in the 'wanting to see a pick up in the next 2-3 games' and i am delighted we have, because i really want to back him and avoid change unless it appears necessary.
The future of a manager will always be questioned after a run of poor results, right or wrong that is football. What the last 10 days haev done has pushed that talk away for the time being, and i'm delighted it has.
I didn't want him sacked in the poll but I think the tone of the poll was critical as was most of us - the most positive option was only qualified support.
PP has to be congratulated for building a team which fights for each other, considering the bunch of individuals we've had for squads under Dowie, Reed and Pardew.
This is more in line with the charlton way, and from that develops a culture, respect and spirit within the club. The willingness to back each other breeds confidence and a winning culture, the winning culture takes time to develop, but it can never be achieved with out the others.
I think so - he definitely had to change the tactics and personnel which he did. I still think he sould have done so earlier but I also think that the quality we have is down to him 100% so we have to take the rough with the smooth. I still think he can be too cautious but he acted and now the balance has been found he is th eman to build on it.
[cite]Posted By: UP...THE...ADDICKS[/cite]Wait til we next get beat, it'll all be Parky out again...
well three wins and it's suddenly Parky's a hero, from some, so three defeats and it'll be Parky's a zero, from others. My opinion still hasn't changed.
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Keep it up Phil
But, that's what it takes sometimes, like any relationship: you disagree, you make-up. Some relationships grow stronger some just plaster over the cracks: that's life!
Long may it continue.
Erm, I blame the fans.
that is the clear conclusion you can draw from events starting with the playoffs in May and ending last night.
Its a serious point. Those who call for the manager's head in this division then struggle to say who realistically could be recruited, and would be better. Then when they are challenged, they tend to say, "'well that's the Board's job, to identify replacements". This is the third division, and managers are here because they are not Alan Curbishley or...err...Roy Hodgson (whom I always thought would be an ideal replacement for Curbs and is now a national laughing stock). For the same reason, Paul Benson cannot trap the ball or lay it off like Shaun Bartlett or Andy Hunt. We got used to those standards, while the vast majority of Brighton fans have never seen strikers like those two in their shirts.
Large
Speaking for myself as an anti-booer, I have no problem with the team being booed off at the end of a performance like that against Brighton apparently was. But do you accept that there is a big difference between that and booing David Mooney in the warm-up to a game? Or booing a young player like JonJo Shelvey, ever?
I'm hoping one of these days to be able to discuss all this with you in your cab :-)
Instead, Jackson came into the midfield, giving us the balance we had previously lacked and enabling Racon and Semedo to take games by the scruff of the neck. As a result we've won three on the spin and played our best football of the season.
Who'd have thought it etc etc...
He's right you know!!
We all want the same thing and the last two games have given us that - doesn't mean, on the other hand, that we might not go and lose our next 3 games and the merry-go-round begins again - we are worse off currently than where we were last year!
Of course there is a big difference. I wouldn't advocate booing anyone, Mooney or otherwise, during an actual game. That is counterproductive. I wouldn't blame Mooney either. He isn't a very good player but was signed by Parky so it's his fault not the players. The booing of Kim Grant too during the game was disgraceful. As for booing a young player. Why would anyone do that? That is totally non-sensical. For the record I didn't even boo the team off after the Brighton game. My booing was directed at Parky and Parky only. He was to blame, no-one else.
BTW, I don't drive a cab but maybe when my Banking career ends next month I may consider it.
glad to see you are coming round to my way of thinking ;-))
Solly
Waggy
Benson
Racon to a lesser extent
Parky
even Simon Francis is coming good.
Tastes good though and long may it continue.
Actually a large number of people said 'wait and see what happens in the next few games'
We did and they turne dit around so that poll was quite acurate.
Why Mutts ?
I found the poll results pretty fascinating. On a decent sized sample, there was a near identical split between those wanting him sacked, those wanting to back him, and those who basically didn't know what to do for the best but were desperate to see a pick up in the short-term.
Even at what hopefully was our lowest point, there appeared just as many people still prepared to back the manager beyond the short-term as there was who wanted him fired.
I'm someone who was in the 'wanting to see a pick up in the next 2-3 games' and i am delighted we have, because i really want to back him and avoid change unless it appears necessary.
The future of a manager will always be questioned after a run of poor results, right or wrong that is football. What the last 10 days haev done has pushed that talk away for the time being, and i'm delighted it has.
This is more in line with the charlton way, and from that develops a culture, respect and spirit within the club. The willingness to back each other breeds confidence and a winning culture, the winning culture takes time to develop, but it can never be achieved with out the others.
Not a nice experience but it forced the manager to look at what they were doing and ask questions of their players, with positive results.
well three wins and it's suddenly Parky's a hero, from some, so three defeats and it'll be Parky's a zero, from others. My opinion still hasn't changed.