Hope it is A, have not seen enough of him to really judge but in the limited friendlies/cup game he has shown there is plenty of talent there. Hope he gets out on loan and has the opportunity to make a better impression than his previous loans which have been tarnished by lack of minutes and registration issues.
At 19, he is clearly following the likes of Waggy and even Parker in the respect, he is not going to walk straight into the first team and needs plenty of hard work (Waggy seems to have worked his socks off in the last 2 years and has benefited from being Sam's back up last season) and maybe a productive loan spell (like Parker at Norwich) before he will get a run of games. Bulking up would not do him any harm imho.
Am interested as to why Parky did not use him when he was on the bench. When Anyinsah was out injured, our frontline was fairly one dimensional and I personally didn't see the harm in giving Tuna 15-20 mins for example against Tranmere/Daggers when our second half performances were a lot worse than the first halfs. He seems to be different to the other forwards which must work in his favour aswell.
haven't seen much in the times I have seen him so far that would trouble League 1 teams, but I would hope there's something that I'm missing as he has got a pro contract for a reason. Desperately needs games somewhere to prove either way though.
A) Good future prospect but at 19 should be playing regular Footy.
But as I have posted on the Shelvey post i would say that........ Nothing that a crew cut and a few trips to the gym would not cure, come to think of it my son has a pair of barbers clippers, we could use my mates gym, where is the phone........ as cafcdan states has to put the work in now, not tommorow or next year, does no one know how to man manage at Charlton!........seems pretty obvious to me, and everyone else!
A) for me. Very clever player and a good finisher. He is lightweight but that can change. He could with a long term loan playing first team football every week.
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]A) Good future prospect but at 19 should be playing regular Footy.
But as I have posted on the Shelvey post i would say that........
Nothing that a crew cut and a few trips to the gym would not cure, come to think of it my son has a pair of barbers clippers, we could use my mates gym, where is the phone........ as cafcdan states has to put the work in now, not tommorow or next year, does no one know how to man manage at Charlton!........seems pretty obvious to me, and everyone else!
19 year old does not make first team shock, club has no man management skills!!!
Ken,my recollection from Bromley was that Breaker said that Tuna was a pretty boy who would not get stuck in and had allowed himself to be bullied in games and that was the reason Staines (?) put him on the bench when he was on loan with them last season. So if at his current stage of development at that level he can't start how can we expect him to get close to the first team at this. I think with careful management I am sure he can develop into a decent striker, but lets not try and rush him faster than is right, we did that with Waggy and he went cold for a season.
Well my conversations with Tamer was that his registration was mucked up, and then he was recalled.
Yes i do recollect the prettyboy comment, which I thought a tad harsh!, but he sees the lad so along with others I assume that must have some basis! Thing is he has been at the club since he was 7 KAP 10, so if he has this 'attitude' it is one that has been allowed to have been developed though his career at Charlton.
Having trained with the lad,( albet a few years ago) he has quite a fiery attitude on the pitch, my concern originally was that he might get himself sent off, so in perhaps there management of him they have taken some of the fire out of his character/desire. At the end of the day Charlton have played a big part in the lads development, which people have posted that he needs to 'toughen up on'. I also remember someone suggesting he went on a course at the army at the Bromley meet, but I get the drift!. My concern is that with a 1 year deal , he has a limited time to prove himself, at least at Charlton!
It will be a tough year for him,he has to show that he can make it, although I think 19 is still young for a striker and ironically if we do go up he may find that acts against his best interests. I am not sure if being bullied off the ball is so much attitude as working away round it,which you are right the club should be working with him on and maybe that is why he is yet to be loaned out,when one would have thought he would have been favourite to go. In the end if he has been with the club for ten years maybe that is what is holding him back and a change would be as good......
My recollection on the Staines situation was that it did start with cock ups on the paper work,but didn't it then get sorted and he spent some time there?
Well he told me in August that he got called back..... shall we leave it there, I do not want to be seen as the lads agent or anything else.
As I say, in the third tier of football the lad has been at the club for over 10 years, longer than nearly anyone else, who has come and gone, least we forget!.
he fully understands that he has to improve, and wants to play for Charlton. He seemed pretty committed to me. I have spoken to someone close to him in the last month and remains the position.
In the circumstances , he is showing a professional and positive attitude. Apparently the club do not like you ringing up 'suggesting' things according to parky at the Bromley meeting, and I can understand that because these things are best left to club and player. I have my own views about the position, and if he was my son that is another situation. As Frank Zappa once quoted the "meek shall inherit nothing!"
Remember when the players at Gravesend or now Ebbsfleet were offered full time pro contracts, a few years ago several declined. Most of us who snatch peoples hands of, my own son has declined such offers, his loss no doubt!
I think it a difficult, sensitive issue, you dammed if you do, and you are dammed if you do not!. All I would add is that football has a tremendous drop out factor, not helped by the import of so many foreign players, but as the league love this it does have consequences for young player development and the national side, does it not!. In Tamers position he chooses to play for Turkey!.
A for me. Send him to Welling on loan until January and hopefully the Staines spell will have taught him a lesson and he'll be able to use that to his advantage this time round.
If he does well there, step him up and see if he can get a Conference team on loan from Jan-May.
He's most definitely not good enough for a league side yet.
I don't know about 'chooses to play for Turkey' Ken - he patently isn't good enough to play for England so may see that as the only way he could ever play international football.
Look, don't think I'm having a pop here - I'm not. I'm all for players who actively WANT to play for the club representing us (Lord knows we've had a lot of old tripe here in the past few years that couldn't give a toss about us one way or the other and were just here picking up the cash), but those players need to be good enough to do it. It's clear that you know the lad, and like him - which can often affect judgement, but it's pointless putting him on the bench if he isn't going to make any impact if he does come on. From what I've seen of him he's at least 18 months away from making the grade at our level. At his age, sending him on loan to sub conference level sides isn't going to help him at all. He should be playing week in, week out against teams that are of a slightly lower standard than us - so a six month loan at Barnet or somewhere similar would be ideal. If he pulls up trees there, fantastic - get him back at the begninning of next season and see if he can make the step up. If not, it's time to cut losses and move on.
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]Well he told me in August that he got called back..... shall we leave it there, I do not want to be seen as the lads agent or anything else.
Yup, I am not disbelieving him, hence my question mark.
[he fully understands that he has to improve, and wants to play for Charlton. He seemed pretty committed to me. I have spoken to someone close to him in the last month and remains the position.
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Great attitude and I am sure everyone on here would love to see him graduate to the first team in the way Waggy has. 19 is still young for a striker to progress and hopefully he will get there.
[In the circumstances , he is showing a professional and positive attitude.
And that will help, a lot of young players don't make it because of attitude not talent. Rob Lee and Mark Stuart are a prime example, Lee was less ta;ented but played for England, Stuart boozed and partied and played for Plymouth, Bradford and Rochdale.
[ but as the league love this it does have consequences for young player development and the national side, does it not!. In Tamers position he chooses to play for Turkey!.
Totally agree, and the problem extends to academy's as well where EU youths are taken in at a young age at the cost of local talent. I could wax lyrically on the evils of foreign talent in the english game but that will be for a different thread.
B not seen enough to make a definitive judgement but A too. Ideally needs a Conference club or even league 2 given that he has (if only briefly) played in the Championship.
Hopefully, nearly a year on, he will be physically more robust than, according to this thread, he allegedly was at Staines etc.
[cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]At his age, sending him on loan to sub conference level sides isn't going to help him at all.
Why not, is the standard really that different? Plenty of Conference sides after winning promotion go on to do well in League Two, some even win promotion again.
I'm sure Wagstaff and Stavrinou would say they are better players for it.
[cite]Posted By: Leroy Ambrose[/cite]At his age, sending him on loan to sub conference level sides isn't going to help him at all.
Why not, is the standard really that different? Plenty of Conference sides after winning promotion go on to do well in League Two, some even win promotion again.
I'm sure Wagstaff and Stavrinou would say they are better players for it.
My point being that he's already been on loan at that level and done nothing (admittedly, it seems, at least partially through no fault of his own). At this stage of his career, even if he does go to, say, Bromley - what real good is it going to do him? Either he succeeds and then has to go on loan to a higher level club to 'prove' himself all over again, or he fails and is consigned to the scrapheap. better to send him to a local(ish) division four club where he'll either sink or swim. If he was 17, then yes, by all means, send him to Dartford. At 19 it's time for him to give it a good old go at a league club.
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]A for me. Send him to Welling on loan until January and hopefully the Staines spell will have taught him a lesson and he'll be able to use that to his advantage this time round.
If he does well there, step him up and see if he can get a Conference team on loan from Jan-May.
He's most definitely not good enough for a league side yet.
the way they are playing he probably wouldn't get in their side at the moment!
[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]A for me. Send him to Welling on loan until January and hopefully the Staines spell will have taught him a lesson and he'll be able to use that to his advantage this time round.
If he does well there, step him up and see if he can get a Conference team on loan from Jan-May.
He's most definitely not good enough for a league side yet.
Welling don't need him and couldnt have him anyway ....
Three of the lads in the Welling side last time I looked played with my sons at Cray Valley, one of them Jack Parkinson I am surprised has not found a club in a higher league. Jack certainly gave a decent performance against us at Welling preseason and is a strong player. Tamer has a lot more talent, and skill to ply his trade at non league, but beggers cannot be choosers as they say!. He was played in the wrong position up front at Welling and his touch and movement were the worst I had seen him ever play!. As I say in my opinion he is not a centre forward!. Perhaps there is an issue there, I have no idea!.
I think Charlton have found it hard to place him with a league club say at league 2, and be assured of a decent run, as others have mentioned on here.
By the way when he played at Arsenal he banged in two wonderful goals in the first half for us a few seasons ago, both goals taken from midfield. The lad has a great touch , we shall have too see if he is given the opportunity to express it at Charlton.
Tuna and Davisson have joined Thurrock (Blue Square South) for a months loan.
Hopefully they both get a good run of games.
I can't think of a more depressing place to send youngsters on loan. Average around 80-100 home fans every week in the conference south, the only noise you can hear in the ground, other than the players and refs whistle is the trucks roaring past on the M25.
Thurrock are really struggling this year as well. Can't see that this is the best place to send them. Surely someone else would have been interested?.
The lad should be given a chance at his age now he should be knocking on parkys door and asking for a chance to show what he could do,if parky doesnt give him a chance he obviously doesnt rate him that high, for f--ks sake he cant be any wosre than abbott so i think he should at least be on the bench and not shipped out to poxy thurrock.
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]The lad should be given a chance at his age now he should be knocking on parkys door and asking for a chance to show what he could do,if parky doesnt give him a chance he obviously doesnt rate him that high, for f--ks sake he cant be any wosre than abbott so i think he should at least be on the bench and not shipped out to poxy thurrock.
Players should only be given a chance when the management think they are, look how far Pardew put Wagstaff back by putting him in too early. I am really pleased that Tuna has got a chance to play regularly although Thurrock does make it look like we hard to scrape the bottom of the barrel, which shows the difficulty we have with Tuna, hopefully he will do well on this loan and will then be able to step upto a Blue Square premier or league two
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]Pressumably the best road leading out of it is to Lakeside!
FFS... is this really the best place.
More action in the circus tavern car park ( ball play that is)
I doubt that Thurrock was the place we envisaged sending two of our most promising youngsters however we can't make other clubs take them if they don't want to. It's a poor team so it won't be easy to shine, but shine they must both do
Hopefully its a stepping stone to a better level later in the season, especially for Tuna who is better than Thurrock, although he will be able to pop into the shops for his christmas shopping easily
Thurrock is a lovely little ground,i've scored a couple of winners in cup finals there. At least they have been sent to Essex which can only be good for them. I'll pop along for a watch when they are at home and see how they do. At the end of the day he is at least now going to be gatting matches which in my opinion is much better than sitting around doing nothing.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite] I can't think of a more depressing place to send youngsters on loan. Average around 80-100 home fans every week in the conference south, the only noise you can hear in the ground, other than the players and refs whistle is the trucks roaring past on the M25.
Thurrock are really struggling this year as well. Can't see that this is the best place to send them. Surely someone else would have been interested?.[/quote]
It's also exactly the sort of place that both of them could end up playing at if they don't make the grade at Charlton. A little dose of the real world isn't always a bad thing for young footballers!
[cite]Posted By: Clem_Snide[/cite]
I can't think of a more depressing place to send youngsters on loan. Average around 80-100 home fans every week in the conference south, the only noise you can hear in the ground, other than the players and refs whistle is the trucks roaring past on the M25.
Thurrock are really struggling this year as well. Can't see that this is the best place to send them. Surely someone else would have been interested?.
It's also exactly the sort of place that both of them could end up playing at if they don't make the grade at Charlton. A little dose of the real world isn't always a bad thing for young footballers!
No win in 12 is certainly going to be a dose of reality.
According to Welling fans Thurrock are long ball merchants. I'm sure Tuna will enjoy standing next to Cliff Akurang whilst ball after ball comes down with snow on it.
Atleast Uncle's attendance will see the home fans top 80.
Just cant see how this particular team is going to help Davisson or Tuna.
no idea.
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At 19, he is clearly following the likes of Waggy and even Parker in the respect, he is not going to walk straight into the first team and needs plenty of hard work (Waggy seems to have worked his socks off in the last 2 years and has benefited from being Sam's back up last season) and maybe a productive loan spell (like Parker at Norwich) before he will get a run of games. Bulking up would not do him any harm imho.
Am interested as to why Parky did not use him when he was on the bench. When Anyinsah was out injured, our frontline was fairly one dimensional and I personally didn't see the harm in giving Tuna 15-20 mins for example against Tranmere/Daggers when our second half performances were a lot worse than the first halfs. He seems to be different to the other forwards which must work in his favour aswell.
haven't seen much in the times I have seen him so far that would trouble League 1 teams, but I would hope there's something that I'm missing as he has got a pro contract for a reason. Desperately needs games somewhere to prove either way though.
But as I have posted on the Shelvey post i would say that........
Nothing that a crew cut and a few trips to the gym would not cure, come to think of it my son has a pair of barbers clippers, we could use my mates gym, where is the phone........ as cafcdan states has to put the work in now, not tommorow or next year, does no one know how to man manage at Charlton!........seems pretty obvious to me, and everyone else!
19 year old does not make first team shock, club has no man management skills!!!
Ken,my recollection from Bromley was that Breaker said that Tuna was a pretty boy who would not get stuck in and had allowed himself to be bullied in games and that was the reason Staines (?) put him on the bench when he was on loan with them last season. So if at his current stage of development at that level he can't start how can we expect him to get close to the first team at this. I think with careful management I am sure he can develop into a decent striker, but lets not try and rush him faster than is right, we did that with Waggy and he went cold for a season.
Yes i do recollect the prettyboy comment, which I thought a tad harsh!, but he sees the lad so along with others I assume that must have some basis!
Thing is he has been at the club since he was 7 KAP 10, so if he has this 'attitude' it is one that has been allowed to have been developed though his career at Charlton.
Having trained with the lad,( albet a few years ago) he has quite a fiery attitude on the pitch, my concern originally was that he might get himself sent off, so in perhaps there management of him they have taken some of the fire out of his character/desire. At the end of the day Charlton have played a big part in the lads development, which people have posted that he needs to 'toughen up on'. I also remember someone suggesting he went on a course at the army at the Bromley meet, but I get the drift!. My concern is that with a 1 year deal , he has a limited time to prove himself, at least at Charlton!
My recollection on the Staines situation was that it did start with cock ups on the paper work,but didn't it then get sorted and he spent some time there?
As I say, in the third tier of football the lad has been at the club for over 10 years, longer than nearly anyone else, who has come and gone, least we forget!.
he fully understands that he has to improve, and wants to play for Charlton. He seemed pretty committed to me. I have spoken to someone close to him in the last month and remains the position.
In the circumstances , he is showing a professional and positive attitude. Apparently the club do not like you ringing up 'suggesting' things according to parky at the Bromley meeting, and I can understand that because these things are best left to club and player. I have my own views about the position, and if he was my son that is another situation. As Frank Zappa once quoted the "meek shall inherit nothing!"
Remember when the players at Gravesend or now Ebbsfleet were offered full time pro contracts, a few years ago several declined. Most of us who snatch peoples hands of, my own son has declined such offers, his loss no doubt!
I think it a difficult, sensitive issue, you dammed if you do, and you are dammed if you do not!. All I would add is that football has a tremendous drop out factor, not helped by the import of so many foreign players, but as the league love this it does have consequences for young player development and the national side, does it not!. In Tamers position he chooses to play for Turkey!.
If he does well there, step him up and see if he can get a Conference team on loan from Jan-May.
He's most definitely not good enough for a league side yet.
Look, don't think I'm having a pop here - I'm not. I'm all for players who actively WANT to play for the club representing us (Lord knows we've had a lot of old tripe here in the past few years that couldn't give a toss about us one way or the other and were just here picking up the cash), but those players need to be good enough to do it. It's clear that you know the lad, and like him - which can often affect judgement, but it's pointless putting him on the bench if he isn't going to make any impact if he does come on. From what I've seen of him he's at least 18 months away from making the grade at our level. At his age, sending him on loan to sub conference level sides isn't going to help him at all. He should be playing week in, week out against teams that are of a slightly lower standard than us - so a six month loan at Barnet or somewhere similar would be ideal. If he pulls up trees there, fantastic - get him back at the begninning of next season and see if he can make the step up. If not, it's time to cut losses and move on.
Hopefully, nearly a year on, he will be physically more robust than, according to this thread, he allegedly was at Staines etc.
Why not, is the standard really that different? Plenty of Conference sides after winning promotion go on to do well in League Two, some even win promotion again.
I'm sure Wagstaff and Stavrinou would say they are better players for it.
the way they are playing he probably wouldn't get in their side at the moment!
Welling don't need him and couldnt have him anyway ....
I think Charlton have found it hard to place him with a league club say at league 2, and be assured of a decent run, as others have mentioned on here.
By the way when he played at Arsenal he banged in two wonderful goals in the first half for us a few seasons ago, both goals taken from midfield. The lad has a great touch , we shall have too see if he is given the opportunity to express it at Charlton.
Tuna and Davisson have joined Thurrock (Blue Square South) for a months loan.
Hopefully they both get a good run of games.
I can't think of a more depressing place to send youngsters on loan. Average around 80-100 home fans every week in the conference south, the only noise you can hear in the ground, other than the players and refs whistle is the trucks roaring past on the M25.
Thurrock are really struggling this year as well. Can't see that this is the best place to send them. Surely someone else would have been interested?.
FFS... is this really the best place.
More action in the circus tavern car park ( ball play that is)
Players should only be given a chance when the management think they are, look how far Pardew put Wagstaff back by putting him in too early. I am really pleased that Tuna has got a chance to play regularly although Thurrock does make it look like we hard to scrape the bottom of the barrel, which shows the difficulty we have with Tuna, hopefully he will do well on this loan and will then be able to step upto a Blue Square premier or league two
I doubt that Thurrock was the place we envisaged sending two of our most promising youngsters however we can't make other clubs take them if they don't want to. It's a poor team so it won't be easy to shine, but shine they must both do
I can't think of a more depressing place to send youngsters on loan. Average around 80-100 home fans every week in the conference south, the only noise you can hear in the ground, other than the players and refs whistle is the trucks roaring past on the M25.
Thurrock are really struggling this year as well. Can't see that this is the best place to send them. Surely someone else would have been interested?.[/quote]
It's also exactly the sort of place that both of them could end up playing at if they don't make the grade at Charlton. A little dose of the real world isn't always a bad thing for young footballers!
No win in 12 is certainly going to be a dose of reality.
According to Welling fans Thurrock are long ball merchants. I'm sure Tuna will enjoy standing next to Cliff Akurang whilst ball after ball comes down with snow on it.
Atleast Uncle's attendance will see the home fans top 80.
Just cant see how this particular team is going to help Davisson or Tuna.