In a world of instant gratification, are we not demanding too much too soon.
Last season we missed out on promotion by a goal. Not bad given the resources
This season, isnt it reasonable to allow say 10 games to get the squad settled.
Then there will inevitably be some poor results and scrappy unattractive games - that is the nature (and always has been), of the third division.
The tsunami of moaning is incredible. (and made me think that the crowd has sunk lower than the team, to narrow-minded short term-ist Sheffield Wednesday proportions)
Of course its not good enough, but surely Christmas is a more effective time to weigh up where we are.
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If we start winning games, of course.
But if we continue to slide and average a point per game as we have done over our last ten matches, then obviously not. .
There are nine league matches and two cup games before Xmas. Say we manage half a dozen points and get dumped out of two cups in that time. Are you suggesting we should simply accept that and pat Parky on the back for doing his best?
Let's hope we get 20 points and go on a cup run. But how you can say that we shouldn't ask for his dismissal if the opposite happens defies logic, really.
I hate to see a decent hard working bloke get the sack, especially in an industry with more than its fair share of toss-pot chancers, but any further delay risks bringing on stagnation. Brighton are now well ahead of us in the competition for automatic promotion, that leaves us with one further automatic promotion place or the play-off lottery.
Sure, but what we need is a logical and coherent assessment of the situation, not wild guesses about Richard Murray, the scouting system and other things that you are clearly utterly and totally clueless about. Confine yourself and debate to the former please.
But you didn't, did you. You were questioning whether we ever had players scouted or just effectively bought them blind. Someone watching a player and getting their assessment wrong is one thing, but suggesting that they were never watched at all is - at this level - laughable.
But you carry on.
is there another thread I can go to without reading the bickering of you 3?
But, we are nearly a quarter of the way through the season and we have yet to play well for 90 minutes despite playing some very poor teams.
Yesterday was a chance to see how we coped against one of the better teams in the division and it was embarasing to see how a bit of possesion football and movement threw us into total chaos.
The two corners in the first half where we left a player unmarked on the edge of the box summed the whole day up, to fall for it once is fair enough but for exactly the same thing to happen a few minutes later is a joke.
I no longer believe that Parky is going to be able to mould this collection of individuals into a team. I hope to be proved wrong and wont be vocal in my feelings for a few more games but time is definitely running out for Parky.
The is a universe of difference between millawall last year and us this year in terms of squad, manager and mentality. Glad they got promoted cos that team would have done us 8-0 this season.
Agreed, this squad does have not the togetherness that spanners had last year (and how I hate to say that!) ... just making the point that in this division, it is entirely possible to recover and have a good season even from a low position in November / December ... whether we can do it is the problem.
I don't think today is the day to make a decision on Parkie, but that day looms and a decision at Christmas maybe too late to meet our ambitions. I firmly believe that the five games including yesterday will make or break our season,so i am content to wait till then and hope that it turns round - we need a minimum of 9 points from the 15.
However, the fact is if Parkie does survive he has a long hard season ahead of him with every negative result resulting in calls for his resignation
Ever since the end of last season (and even before that if truth be told) we neeeded at least TWO decent strikers............someone who could score at LEAST 20 goals a season, a natural finisher/poacher etc.
The fans knew this, the management knew this (Breaker himself said in July that this was the clubs priority) and what did they do.........signed Abbot and then spent the next month chasing their "top" target........Benson. The were knocked back time after time and instead of looking elsewhere decided that Benson was their man - so much so they spent in excess of £200k to capture him. This was money that we didn't really have (having HAD to sell our right back Richardson a month before for a paltry £450,000 and replacing him with Francis...........). Therefore, having spent time & money getting him I was expecting a hot shot striker who could get us promoted.
But what have we been saddled with ? These two strikers that our management have obviously scouted and looked at a number of occaisons have scored just 3 league goals between them in over 15 appearances - 5 in 20 apps if you count cup games too. Abbott has yet to score in the league !! This is just not good enough and having been to all bar a couple of games this season (Hudersfield, Plymouth & MK Dons cup tie) I have seen enough to safely say that they are unlikely to get 20 goals between them all season.
All this rests with Parky & Co, and I have only one thing to say to them, and to rephrase Dragons Den...............YOUR OUT !!!!!!
Murray has to do something now.
He:s had the bedding in period and we are still not hopelessly adrift.
We have had a very poor performance, and suddenly the Charlton moaning sheep are at it - Parky Out, RM out, Ferguson in (or any other unrealistic list of out of work managers who are just itching to get their hands on our world beating players)
For goodness sake, leave it a while, stop expecting miracles, give it time.
Take a wider view.
Imagine we might make the play offs again (funny how some see this as a failure last year)
Plenty of time for that still to be a possibility
Slowly slowly catchy monkey
Otherwise we look as stupid as Southampton Sheff Weds and the other disillusioned whining fans who throw their tantrums when we dont perform to our inflated expectations week in week out.
Ever since the end of last season (and even before that if truth be told) we neeeded at least TWO decent strikers............someone who could score at LEAST 20 goals a season, a natural finisher/poacher etc.
The fans knew this, the management knew this (Breaker himself said in July that this was the clubs priority) and what did they do.........signed Abbot and then spent the next month chasing their "top" target........Benson. The were knocked back time after time and instead of looking elsewhere decided that Benson was their man - so much so they spent in excess of £200k to capture him. This was money that we didn't really have (having HAD to sell our right back Richardson a month before for a paltry £450,000 and replacing him with Francis...........). Therefore, having spent time & money getting him I was expecting a hot shot striker who could get us promoted.
But what have we been saddled with ? These two strikers that our management have obviously scouted and looked at a number of occaisons have scored just 3 league goals between them in over 15 appearances - 5 in 20 apps if you count cup games too. Abbott has yet to score in the league !! This is just not good enough and having been to all bar a couple of games this season (Hudersfield, Plymouth & MK Dons cup tie) I have seen enough to safely say that they are unlikely to get 20 goals between them all season.
All this rests with Parky & Co, and I have only one thing to say to them, and to rephrase Dragons Den...............YOUR OUT !!!!!![/quote]
careful, Leroy will request your banned ! goes for you too Floyd seems we are seeing something very different to Leroy
Why so hasty?
Abject failure? What - a penalty away from promotion? Hmm what abject failures have you performed in your life?? Its not really abject failure is it? Lost a bit of perspective perhaps?
Baaaad boy
Have you forgotten the amount if games he had before we went down.
The fella is a joke
I was with large back then and I still am now
Parky is in the clown car waiting for the wheels and doors to come off.
His saving grace was Benson and he gambled high and it won't pay off.
I said what Benson was like I was spot on yet he gambled the family silver on it.
More fool Murray giving it to him.
Sack the man now
I think that's harsh. I don't actually think he should be sacked right now, but to imply that the moaning is unjustified and fans are 'expecting miracles' is misrepresenting the situation.
I could understand that sort of comment if we were 3rd and there was whining that we weren't several points clear at the top (and something like that did happen at times last season), but christ, we're 14th and have just lost 4-0 at home. There is still time to make the playoffs, but that doesn't mean that we will, and I think it's not so much a knee jerk reaction to a particularly poor result but the fact that over the course of the season we've never really looked like we're moving forward.
That being said I'd at the very least like to see how we respond to the Brighton game. Last season we came back from the fa cup debacle, we came back from the 4-0 at Millwall, and put together a really good little run towards the end of the season, culminating in being unlucky to dumped out on penalties after giving it all against Swindon. I'd give Parky longer, although not much longer if nothing improves.