I hope this doesnt come out the wrong way and dont offend anyone but this one really made me laugh:
"The bloke on the floor in Norwood High St was Millwall, he was giving verbal to two black blokes in the chicken shop (Not Palace just normal blokes getting their chicken) and one of them knocked him out.
To me got what he deserved, probably the usual rasict comment or along those lines !"
The idea of two black lads just going about their usual business buying a bit of chicken for their lunch and then have to put a Millwall fan on the floor.
[cite]Posted By: ISawLeaburnScore[/cite]"that will be the last ever Millwall game i'll ever work because personally I don't like the idea of going to a game and having things fly past my ears for the sake of a football match.... Obviously there were some Millwall fans who weren't like that and it spoils it for them, but today I actually felt petrified at a football match. The last time I felt like that was Charlton away in the League Cup and I never went to The Valley again after that!!"
worth a read... gave me my only chuckle of the day
The bloke in the bogs was bound to be "giving it" and deserved it... I mean it's just what you do isn't it, you're standing there having a slash with your equipment out and half a dozen lairy blokes walk in having a go... you're going to be up for a row there and then aren't you. Pretty desperate. Unfortunately it's not the sort of thing that lot take lying down if the word is spread far enough.
[cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]How some of our support can still say we have no reason to hate palace is beyond me, I remember even way back to the late 70's/early 80's when I started going to the Valley that we had a rivalry, and the events of the past 25 years have increased it three fold, just add them up. 1985 & the humiliating move to Selhurst, Noades trying to sell us down the river and dismantle the club, Chris Armstrong, Darren Pitcher, Ian Dowie, Fortunes equaliser to relegate them, Tango man v Varney.
Millwall have been our traditional rivals for much longer, but there is a massive cross over of family & friends between us & Millwall, look at how many people can say that their dad/grandad/uncles etc went to The Den one week and The Valley next week, that would never have happened with palarse.
Spot on, but this is why it matters so much more to me that Millwall do badly. Palace, however annoying they are just don't compare. Millwall doing well can have a direct impact on the success of Charlton and vica versa. Palace and west Ham's fortunes have minimal impact on either us or Millwall and although Millwall have a rivalry with West Ham, what happens on West Ham's pitch is irrelevant to them really. If Millwall or Charlton went out of business, it would give the other club a massive boost, however unwanted that may be as we share a large chunk of south east london, catchment wise.
Do you really think that Millwall lost a lot of their regular support when Charlton were doing well?
I'm not talking about regular support - i'm talking about floaters and young kids just starting to go to football (unless adequately brainwashed by family). Regulars won't / shouldn't change and i'd never contemplate it. I'm certain that a fair chunk of the £10K or so we picked up in the prem would have gone to Millwall instead if the tables had been reversed. We've now retained some of those whereas you may have. It definitely has an impact. No question in my mind.
I've made this point before so apologies if i'm repeating myself.
10-15yrs ago, the majority of 'local' teens getting into football were largely doing so for purely football reasons. They either followed the big clubs, or they had Charlton on their doorstep providing Premiership football.
With the glorification of hooliganism / laddishness etc in the last few years through major films like the Football Factory, Green St, The Firm etc, which really appeal to teenage lads, Millwall have seen a big boost in local support at that age group.
Their support rose dramatically during their period in League 2, something that just doesn't happen to any other club. They went from getting 4,500 for midweek games ten years ago to 12,000+ last night. Coinciding with them now being a league above us, they are a more attractive proposition to local kids on numerous levels now.
They always had their niche of their trouble repution that would appeal to some kids growing up, so would always pick up new support regardless. Our appeal was always we were a decent family club where you would see a better standard of football.
To me, we have no real niche anymore, and i honestly can't see too many youngsters getting into Charlton other than through family reasons for the forseeable future.
I know what you are both saying but my Millwall mates said it was like a morgue down there a couple of years ago. Success on the pitch will bring back the atmosphere which at times has been very good at the Valley. In fact one of my Millwall mates kids went to the Valley i think for the Dag and Red game. They are only 7 and 10 but said they loved the chantinga nd the drum and all that. I think we can sometimes fall into the trap of thinking the grass / atmosphere is greener elsewhere. That ain't so but of course if you've been given free tickets to go to a game at the Valley over the last few years then you're likely to have witnessed a pretty sombre occassion. Like visiting a dying relative. And chances are if you've sat in the east or west stand it's probably felt like the funeral. the Valley can buzz as well as anywhere else though, let's not forget that and i think most Millwall fans area s embarrassed by this new wave of pretend chav hooligans as anybody else would be so no loss there.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I've made this point before so apologies if i'm repeating myself.
10-15yrs ago, the majority of 'local' teens getting into football were largely doing so for purely football reasons. They either followed the big clubs, or they had Charlton on their doorstep providing Premiership football.
With the glorification of hooliganism / laddishness etc in the last few years through major films like the Football Factory, Green St, The Firm etc, which really appeal to teenage lads, Millwall have seen a big boost in local support at that age group.
Their support rose dramatically during their period in League 2, something that just doesn't happen to any other club. They went from getting 4,500 for midweek games ten years ago to 12,000+ last night. Coinciding with them now being a league above us, they are a more attractive proposition to local kids on numerous levels now.
They always had their niche of their trouble repution that would appeal to some kids growing up, so would always pick up new support regardless. Our appeal was always we were a decent family club where you would see a better standard of football.
To me, we have no real niche anymore, and i honestly can't see too many youngsters getting into Charlton other than through family reasons for the forseeable future.
Hang on....are you comparing 4300 v York, a few months after almost being relegated to the basement division to a Portsmouth game with history in the championship?
Come on.
I wouldn't say football factory and green street have affected our local support much. Back in 1997-2001 there were 150+ kids aged between 12-18 waiting on Ilderton Road to play cat & mouse with the police.
Now there are pretty much zero waiting.
The small boost I have seen is kids from medway towns coming up trying to be wannabe hard men. But not 500+. I'm talking a few extra groups.
Our support changes with success and it's been some incredible highs and with some really tough lows over the last 15 years. Our support has reflected that. Not much else.
alot of fans on their site slaughtering the atmosphere last night and also Jacketts team selection, players out of position etc....it was like reading on here !
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]apparently jamaica road was closed down for a bit yesterday 4.30pm ish, cos the pompey scum met their millwall counterparts
Afraid to burst your bubble but they didn't. 60 Pompey were taken to a pub by the tube then escorted back to London Bridge. There was no trouble at all.
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"The bloke on the floor in Norwood High St was Millwall, he was giving verbal to two black blokes in the chicken shop (Not Palace just normal blokes getting their chicken) and one of them knocked him out.
To me got what he deserved, probably the usual rasict comment or along those lines !"
The idea of two black lads just going about their usual business buying a bit of chicken for their lunch and then have to put a Millwall fan on the floor.
Hahahaha brilliant!
10-15yrs ago, the majority of 'local' teens getting into football were largely doing so for purely football reasons. They either followed the big clubs, or they had Charlton on their doorstep providing Premiership football.
With the glorification of hooliganism / laddishness etc in the last few years through major films like the Football Factory, Green St, The Firm etc, which really appeal to teenage lads, Millwall have seen a big boost in local support at that age group.
Their support rose dramatically during their period in League 2, something that just doesn't happen to any other club. They went from getting 4,500 for midweek games ten years ago to 12,000+ last night. Coinciding with them now being a league above us, they are a more attractive proposition to local kids on numerous levels now.
They always had their niche of their trouble repution that would appeal to some kids growing up, so would always pick up new support regardless. Our appeal was always we were a decent family club where you would see a better standard of football.
To me, we have no real niche anymore, and i honestly can't see too many youngsters getting into Charlton other than through family reasons for the forseeable future.
Hang on....are you comparing 4300 v York, a few months after almost being relegated to the basement division to a Portsmouth game with history in the championship?
Come on.
I wouldn't say football factory and green street have affected our local support much. Back in 1997-2001 there were 150+ kids aged between 12-18 waiting on Ilderton Road to play cat & mouse with the police.
Now there are pretty much zero waiting.
The small boost I have seen is kids from medway towns coming up trying to be wannabe hard men. But not 500+. I'm talking a few extra groups.
Our support changes with success and it's been some incredible highs and with some really tough lows over the last 15 years. Our support has reflected that. Not much else.
Afraid to burst your bubble but they didn't. 60 Pompey were taken to a pub by the tube then escorted back to London Bridge. There was no trouble at all.