I was 14 and went up on the Lewis coaches to Chesterfield for that one. Remember Killer's early goal. Hit with venom and straight as an arrow into the top corner. We went mad up the other end.
Also can remember some other club's fans in our end for some reason. Might have been Derby? Whoever they were it didn't end well for them. Second half we moved around to the small section of the covered terrace on the side. That really got the singing going for the rest of the game.
We were very good away from home that season, think we ended up winning about 11 or 12 in the league and a few in the cup.
I was 14 and went up on the Lewis coaches to Chesterfield for that one. Remember Killer's early goal. Hit with venom and straight as an arrow into the top corner. We went mad up the other end.
Also can remember some other club's fans in our end for some reason. Might have been Derby? Whoever they were it didn't end well for them. Second half we moved around to the small section of the covered terrace on the side. That really got the singing going for the rest of the game.
We were very good away from home that season, think we ended up winning about 11 or 12 in the league and a few in the cup.
He did a Personal Appearance at my mates brothers 18th Birthday party in that hall above the Co-op in New Eltham opposite the Beehive, must have been around '81. He was announced by the DJ and just came through the door and just stood there waving wearing a classic Motty style sheepskin overcoat, a real David Brent moment!
These days when a ball hits a child in the crowd during the warm up, selfies, twitter apologies and a signed shirt swiftly follow.
When killer put me on my backside in 1983 he simply joined my dad in laughing at me while the rest of the Covered End were giving me the Nescafe shuffle! Happy times and a legend.
I was at that Chesterfield game, great goal by Killer, I was with a couple of lads from Chesterfield, great night out in town later, great weekend away.
[cite]Posted By: kevtherev[/cite]Dont think the game was at the Valley and the floodlights broke and the game was delayed?
That was the replay.
It was 0-1 and down to 9 men at the valley,and I was wondering whether we would go out to a non league team for the first time. Thankfully we got an equalizer and won the replay.
I was there, standing on the east terrace, and within 20 yards of the "fight". As others said, Flanagan had been trying to set up Hales all game, but Killer was not interested. As the ball went safely through for a(nother) goal kick and the two sides wandered back to the half way line, words were spoken, and Hales swung with his left, catching Flanagan on the cheekbone; Flanagan immediately countered and cuffed Hales and a right from Hales just missed. That was it really. All the players stood bemused and even Flanagan and Hales didn't really know what to do next. Some players and the ref came over to make sure they didn't resume and then first Hales, then Flanagan were sent off. The Valley was in stunned silence.
You have to remember that Flanagan set up so many of Killers goals in his first spell, and when he got so much adulation, and press, and a big money move, Flanagan was a bit jealous. He stepped up once Hales joined Derby, and played fantastically well, taking on the main goalscorer role very well. When Killer came back, there was a newspaper quote from Flanagan which said something like "if he thinks I'm going to be setting up all his goals again, he can forget it". It didn't bode well, and the Maidstone match punch up was the culmination.
The Club initially sacked Hales, then had to retract once the PFA got involved. After eventually giving Killer a slap on the wrist (and no doubt a fine), he was allowed back into the club, but then Flanagan (possibly fearing for what might happen on the training pitch?) threw his toys out of the pram and said he was not going to play again. After a few weeks of him being on "strike", he got sold.
The happy ending was when Flanagan re-signed five years later. It still looked frosty on the pitch in the first game back, but Killer scored from a Flanagan free kick, and as Killer trotted back to the half way line Flanagan came over and they shook hands and smiled. There was an audible sigh of relief from the terrace as that happened!
I was there and there was a hubbub in the crowd and I thought there was a fight on the terraces, couldn't believe when our players were being pulled apart.
Ref sent Hales off, I thought we can still win this with 10 men. He then sent Flanagan off and I thought blimey we're going to lose this now but we held on and won the replay.
I was also at the game mentioned above and it was a nice moment when they shook hands.
I was at the Maidstone game too and certainly remember it as one of the times we hit rock bottom. As a player Killer used to come across as a bit lazy but he was basically saving his energy for his blistering runs in the box. He wouldn't do much work over the rest of the pitch but he could beat anyone for pace over ten yards in the penalty area. He relied on Flannagan and Paddy Powell to give him the service and then he'd put he ball in the net. That was basically his job, just to score goals, and he was probably the best Charlton have ever had at doing that.
From what I remember of the fight (and it's a long time ago now so my memory might be a little hazy) it had been building up for the whole game. Flannagan would usually have been making sure he passed to Hales and vice versa, but in that game there were some obvious moves where Hales could have been put through but Flannagan deliberately passed to somebody else instead. In the end Hales just lost his rag and went over and hit him. (He got a few red cards for doing that to opponents too. That was just what he was like).
I feel very lucky to have seen Hales at his best and at the end of the season when he was going for 30 goals I went to the last 10 games home and away in the hope of seeing him do it. That included being one of only about 100 Charlton fans at a sold out Tuesday night match at the Dell when Southampton had just reached the Cup final. A great atmosphere and we lost 3-2, but most importantly Killer scored both our goals.
He would be my favourite player but when I was 14 I used to wait behind after matches for autographs and the most friendly players were Paddy Powell, Ritchie Bowman and graham Tutt, so Paddy gets my vote as my all-time favourite.
I was there, standing on the east terrace, and within 20 yards of the "fight". As others said, Flanagan had been trying to set up Hales all game, but Killer was not interested. As the ball went safely through for a(nother) goal kick and the two sides wandered back to the half way line, words were spoken, and Hales swung with his left, catching Flanagan on the cheekbone; Flanagan immediately countered and cuffed Hales and a right from Hales just missed. That was it really. All the players stood bemused and even Flanagan and Hales didn't really know what to do next. Some players and the ref came over to make sure they didn't resume and then first Hales, then Flanagan were sent off. The Valley was in stunned silence.
You have to remember that Flanagan set up so many of Killers goals in his first spell, and when he got so much adulation, and press, and a big money move, Flanagan was a bit jealous. He stepped up once Hales joined Derby, and played fantastically well, taking on the main goalscorer role very well. When Killer came back, there was a newspaper quote from Flanagan which said something like "if he thinks I'm going to be setting up all his goals again, he can forget it". It didn't bode well, and the Maidstone match punch up was the culmination.
The Club initially sacked Hales, then had to retract once the PFA got involved. After eventually giving Killer a slap on the wrist (and no doubt a fine), he was allowed back into the club, but then Flanagan (possibly fearing for what might happen on the training pitch?) threw his toys out of the pram and said he was not going to play again. After a few weeks of him being on "strike", he got sold.
The happy ending was when Flanagan re-signed five years later. It still looked frosty on the pitch in the first game back, but Killer scored from a Flanagan free kick, and as Killer trotted back to the half way line Flanagan came over and they shook hands and smiled. There was an audible sigh of relief from the terrace as that happened!
Blimey Pedro, from what you describe we must have been withing spitting distance of each other on the East Terrace. I remember it pretty much as you describe, other than I don't think it was so much Flan trying to set-up Killer all game more that he seemed reluctant to do so. Killer was making his usual runs but not getting fed, until finally in frustration he reacted with some verbals which Flan returned in kind. Killer then slugged him one. I don't recall Flan landing a clean blow, more just trying to fend off Hales. As you say, it had been brewing all season. After Hales foray in the top tier Flanagan had stepped up and transformed from a creative midfielder/winger into a centre forward of rare quality. He had acquired a real arrogance, belief and charisma and had capped it off by having a blinding off-season in the NASL where he was named "most valuable player" over the likes of Pele, Beckenbauer etc. In the pre-season we re-signed Hales and I believe the exact quote Flan made was, "if he thinks I'm here to just tee up his chances for him, he's got another think coming". It didn't bode well!
Heard that Hales was waiting for Flanagan in the dressing room to remonstrate further, and that they had to keep Flanagan in the Home Dressing room to seperate them.
I was there, good/bad publicity for CAFC depending on your POV.
If you had to describe the Charlton ethos in one word then KILLER!!!
He is my all time favourite player. If only he bothered training he could have gone all the way to the top, broke my heart when we sold him!!
Anyone remember The Sun (I think) offering the money to any player scoring 35 goals in a season.
Flanagan had shit hair so deserved a smack ;o)
I think it was the Daily Mirror (just seen above it was the Express) offering £10,000 for 30 goals, Hales had 28 and missed numerous chances in the last game (a loss to Bolton, I think). It almost looked like the opposition players were lining them up for him which made me wonder if he'd promised half the money to them if he got the 30.
I was there, standing on the east terrace, and within 20 yards of the "fight". As others said, Flanagan had been trying to set up Hales all game, but Killer was not interested. As the ball went safely through for a(nother) goal kick and the two sides wandered back to the half way line, words were spoken, and Hales swung with his left, catching Flanagan on the cheekbone; Flanagan immediately countered and cuffed Hales and a right from Hales just missed. That was it really. All the players stood bemused and even Flanagan and Hales didn't really know what to do next. Some players and the ref came over to make sure they didn't resume and then first Hales, then Flanagan were sent off. The Valley was in stunned silence.
You have to remember that Flanagan set up so many of Killers goals in his first spell, and when he got so much adulation, and press, and a big money move, Flanagan was a bit jealous. He stepped up once Hales joined Derby, and played fantastically well, taking on the main goalscorer role very well. When Killer came back, there was a newspaper quote from Flanagan which said something like "if he thinks I'm going to be setting up all his goals again, he can forget it". It didn't bode well, and the Maidstone match punch up was the culmination.
The Club initially sacked Hales, then had to retract once the PFA got involved. After eventually giving Killer a slap on the wrist (and no doubt a fine), he was allowed back into the club, but then Flanagan (possibly fearing for what might happen on the training pitch?) threw his toys out of the pram and said he was not going to play again. After a few weeks of him being on "strike", he got sold.
The happy ending was when Flanagan re-signed five years later. It still looked frosty on the pitch in the first game back, but Killer scored from a Flanagan free kick, and as Killer trotted back to the half way line Flanagan came over and they shook hands and smiled. There was an audible sigh of relief from the terrace as that happened!
Blimey Pedro, from what you describe we must have been withing spitting distance of each other on the East Terrace. I remember it pretty much as you describe, other than I don't think it was so much Flan trying to set-up Killer all game more that he seemed reluctant to do so. Killer was making his usual runs but not getting fed, until finally in frustration he reacted with some verbals which Flan returned in kind. Killer then slugged him one. I don't recall Flan landing a clean blow, more just trying to fend off Hales. As you say, it had been brewing all season. After Hales foray in the top tier Flanagan had stepped up and transformed from a creative midfielder/winger into a centre forward of rare quality. He had acquired a real arrogance, belief and charisma and had capped it off by having a blinding off-season in the NASL where he was named "most valuable player" over the likes of Pele, Beckenbauer etc. In the pre-season we re-signed Hales and I believe the exact quote Flan made was, "if he thinks I'm here to just tee up his chances for him, he's got another think coming". It didn't bode well!
I was also on the East terrace and knew it wasn't just 'handbags' when I actually heard the blows landing.
My favourite quote was from Keith Peacock. He claimed to be the nearest player as the fracas broke out, but the last one to arrive to get between them.
... and 28 mins in is Derek's performance against Sunderland in 1975 including a goal and a sending off along with Valiant House nearing completion and Andy Nelson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpM6afXcDw
I may or may not have been at this game but saw a lot of home games with that team. Those were the days - one sub, one ball, no ball boys, and one candle power flood lights. Remember sitting in that old stand the day we beat Spurs 4-1, with Penfold carried off I think.
Killer was ruthless in front of goal, two footed and could score with his head too. I was at the Hull 3-1 and he could even score while holding his shin pads at the end of the game, as well as the Big Match goal of the season swivel volley - superb.
I do remember that game - Sunderland were doing well if I recall; great haircuts (and sideboards.) Whatever the result I only have fond memories of this period. So sad compared to what's going on today.
... and 28 mins in is Derek's performance against Sunderland in 1975 including a goal and a sending off along with Valiant House nearing completion and Andy Nelson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpM6afXcDw
Disgusting behavior. Hales kicking players and getting sent off, "Charlton Aggro" ringing out around the ground, a pitch invasion at the end.
It is clear that the new owners we have today have eradicated all of the above.
The attendance for that game in 1975 against Sunderland, who won the league that season, was 22,307. It was in the return fixture at Roker Park that the career of our young keeper Graham Tutt was ended by a kick in the face from Tom Finney. Killer was on the rampage that season: scored 28 goals in the league and three in the League Cup. We eventually finished ninth.
I was there, standing on the small terrace between the Covered End and the “Main Stand”. 22,000 - more like 30. Loved that team and those days at The Valley.
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Also can remember some other club's fans in our end for some reason. Might have been Derby? Whoever they were it didn't end well for them. Second half we moved around to the small section of the covered terrace on the side. That really got the singing going for the rest of the game.
We were very good away from home that season, think we ended up winning about 11 or 12 in the league and a few in the cup.
When killer put me on my backside in 1983 he simply joined my dad in laughing at me while the rest of the Covered End were giving me the Nescafe shuffle! Happy times and a legend.
That was the replay.
It was 0-1 and down to 9 men at the valley,and I was wondering whether we would go out to a non league team for the first time. Thankfully we got an equalizer and won the replay.
Think we equalised just before they got sent off.
You have to remember that Flanagan set up so many of Killers goals in his first spell, and when he got so much adulation, and press, and a big money move, Flanagan was a bit jealous. He stepped up once Hales joined Derby, and played fantastically well, taking on the main goalscorer role very well. When Killer came back, there was a newspaper quote from Flanagan which said something like "if he thinks I'm going to be setting up all his goals again, he can forget it". It didn't bode well, and the Maidstone match punch up was the culmination.
The Club initially sacked Hales, then had to retract once the PFA got involved. After eventually giving Killer a slap on the wrist (and no doubt a fine), he was allowed back into the club, but then Flanagan (possibly fearing for what might happen on the training pitch?) threw his toys out of the pram and said he was not going to play again. After a few weeks of him being on "strike", he got sold.
The happy ending was when Flanagan re-signed five years later. It still looked frosty on the pitch in the first game back, but Killer scored from a Flanagan free kick, and as Killer trotted back to the half way line Flanagan came over and they shook hands and smiled. There was an audible sigh of relief from the terrace as that happened!
Ref sent Hales off, I thought we can still win this with 10 men. He then sent Flanagan off and I thought blimey we're going to lose this now but we held on and won the replay.
I was also at the game mentioned above and it was a nice moment when they shook hands.
As a player Killer used to come across as a bit lazy but he was basically saving his energy for his blistering runs in the box. He wouldn't do much work over the rest of the pitch but he could beat anyone for pace over ten yards in the penalty area. He relied on Flannagan and Paddy Powell to give him the service and then he'd put he ball in the net. That was basically his job, just to score goals, and he was probably the best Charlton have ever had at doing that.
From what I remember of the fight (and it's a long time ago now so my memory might be a little hazy) it had been building up for the whole game. Flannagan would usually have been making sure he passed to Hales and vice versa, but in that game there were some obvious moves where Hales could have been put through but Flannagan deliberately passed to somebody else instead. In the end Hales just lost his rag and went over and hit him. (He got a few red cards for doing that to opponents too. That was just what he was like).
I feel very lucky to have seen Hales at his best and at the end of the season when he was going for 30 goals I went to the last 10 games home and away in the hope of seeing him do it. That included being one of only about 100 Charlton fans at a sold out Tuesday night match at the Dell when Southampton had just reached the Cup final. A great atmosphere and we lost 3-2, but most importantly Killer scored both our goals.
He would be my favourite player but when I was 14 I used to wait behind after matches for autographs and the most friendly players were Paddy Powell, Ritchie Bowman and graham Tutt, so Paddy gets my vote as my all-time favourite.
I remember it pretty much as you describe, other than I don't think it was so much Flan trying to set-up Killer all game more that he seemed reluctant to do so.
Killer was making his usual runs but not getting fed, until finally in frustration he reacted with some verbals which Flan returned in kind.
Killer then slugged him one.
I don't recall Flan landing a clean blow, more just trying to fend off Hales.
As you say, it had been brewing all season.
After Hales foray in the top tier Flanagan had stepped up and transformed from a creative midfielder/winger into a centre forward of rare quality.
He had acquired a real arrogance, belief and charisma and had capped it off by having a blinding off-season in the NASL where he was named "most valuable player" over the likes of Pele, Beckenbauer etc.
In the pre-season we re-signed Hales and I believe the exact quote Flan made was, "if he thinks I'm here to just tee up his chances for him, he's got another think coming".
It didn't bode well!
My favourite quote was from Keith Peacock. He claimed to be the nearest player as the fracas broke out, but the last one to arrive to get between them.
Killer was ruthless in front of goal, two footed and could score with his head too. I was at the Hull 3-1 and he could even score while holding his shin pads at the end of the game, as well as the Big Match goal of the season swivel volley - superb.
It is clear that the new owners we have today have eradicated all of the above.
"you bought the right club"
22,000 - more like 30. Loved that team and those days at The Valley.