The fans have been pretty good this season and at away games they're even better. Totally agree that Oggy style positivity is needed and booing doesn't help. The problem I'm trying to come to terms with is that it doesn't appear to make any difference. All too many of the squad still think it's OK on all too many occasions to not bother to turn up. IMO, It cost us automatic promotion last season, and they're at it again this season. How are we meant to respond to that?
Agree with that, I'm afraid it comes back to poor management. Whoever we get in to replace Parkie, if/when it happens, should be bought in based on their football intelligence, not on whether the players like them cos they are a jolly nice chap.
[cite]Posted By: Madz[/cite]I have to admit, where i sit in the lower North there are a large group of fans who sit around me who spent all last season booing, whinging, criticising, being less than supportive of a team i love and i wondered why they bothered to turn up. I have hardly heard a peep out of them this season, even after some really poor displays and stupid mistakes. So I honestly don't think you can blame the fans for getting on the players backs, because in my opinion they haven't been. Not to the extent of last season, in fact nowhere near.
Surely that's Jimmys point?
Why would you boo your team when they finished fourth in the league, two points off auto, and lost in the playoffs?
We were hardly ever out of the top 6 all last season
We have third division players, playing in the third division
We are no bigger than any other team that has 11 third division players on the park
Some of our fans still have the Prem hangover, well, get over it, we're not going there for a while
[cite]Posted By: Madz[/cite]I have to admit, where i sit in the lower North there are a large group of fans who sit around me who spent all last season booing, whinging, criticising, being less than supportive of a team i love and i wondered why they bothered to turn up. I have hardly heard a peep out of them this season, even after some really poor displays and stupid mistakes. So I honestly don't think you can blame the fans for getting on the players backs, because in my opinion they haven't been. Not to the extent of last season, in fact nowhere near.
Some of our fans still have the Prem hangover, well, get over it, we're not going there for a while
Yeah that's probably what Norwich fans said before they got a good manager.
SE7 Jimmy: Have you ever been to a top six prem game and sat in the home end? If you have then you will know that the fans of these teams boo ever miss-placed pass, shot that goes wide and don't show constant unwavering "support".
Seems to have very little affect on the over-all effectiveness of those team.
Surely if the fans where the big issue then the teams who are best supported would be performing better and vice-versa. This is very clearly not the case.
So on this basis I completely refute your allegation, that the fans are the main problems. I would go as far to say that fans are only to blame when they don't turn up at all and therefore the clubs finances have suffered in a small way.
Remember the 1/4 final of The FA Cup against Boro a few years back? The crowd were absolutely amazing we cheered every pass, misplaced or not. We jeered as one as soon as Boro got the ball. We sang and chanted the whole way through. Did we win? No. Were we any good? No. We couldn't have hit the proverbial barn door that night.
This was the much lamented Prem team. If we had won that night we'd gone to the final, got into Europe and Curbs would have signed the new deal.
Remember Ewood Park in the relegation year? We took thousands, were very noisy and the players just froze.
Booing doesn’t help, but support doesn't seem to either with Charlton!
If they/we are booing (and I have no idea, have not been able to get to The Valley for two years), could it be to do with the wider issue of the country as a whole - the economic and political situation, the feeling of helplessness to change anything, even though we can see where it's going wrong but those in charge can't? It seems to be mirrored in the goings on at The Valley. Are those frustrations manifesting themselves at the only place where you can really let off steam without getting arrested?
FFS its the fans fault !!!!!!!!!!!!! Fan power in operation ------the tactics--effort---lack of effort---team selection----its all f**k all to do with it ----its the fans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No booin at Brentford in the first half, maybe we were all to stunned at what we were seeing !
In the boozer long after the game 3 of us with more than 100 years of following this club said we didnt want to go anymore ----------still i blame myself really after all if couldnt possibly be the so called management ofthe club could it ?
[cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]If they/we are booing (and I have no idea, have not been able to get to The Valley for two years), could it be to do with the wider issue of the country as a whole - the economic and political situation, the feeling of helplessness to change anything, even though we can see where it's going wrong but those in charge can't? It seems to be mirrored in the goings on at The Valley. Are those frustrations manifesting themselves at the only place where you can really let off steam without getting arrested?
Maybe we should all be issued with vuvuzelas. Do away with singing or shouting, just blow into one of those - the worse or better the football gets, the harder you blow and an inaudible noise is created. Perfect. A noisy ground with no criticism - can't fail. In fact, issue Parkinson and the rest of his staff (including Chapple) with one as well. We'd be up by March.
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Surely that's Jimmys point?
Why would you boo your team when they finished fourth in the league, two points off auto, and lost in the playoffs?
We were hardly ever out of the top 6 all last season
We have third division players, playing in the third division
We are no bigger than any other team that has 11 third division players on the park
Some of our fans still have the Prem hangover, well, get over it, we're not going there for a while
Yeah that's probably what Norwich fans said before they got a good manager.
Seems to have very little affect on the over-all effectiveness of those team.
Surely if the fans where the big issue then the teams who are best supported would be performing better and vice-versa. This is very clearly not the case.
So on this basis I completely refute your allegation, that the fans are the main problems. I would go as far to say that fans are only to blame when they don't turn up at all and therefore the clubs finances have suffered in a small way.
But Norwich spent a lot of money they didn't have and could've backfired (luckily for them it didn't)
Can't see RM taking such a risk
This was the much lamented Prem team. If we had won that night we'd gone to the final, got into Europe and Curbs would have signed the new deal.
Remember Ewood Park in the relegation year? We took thousands, were very noisy and the players just froze.
Booing doesn’t help, but support doesn't seem to either with Charlton!
Or am I talking a lot of old cobblers as usual?
No booin at Brentford in the first half, maybe we were all to stunned at what we were seeing !
In the boozer long after the game 3 of us with more than 100 years of following this club said we didnt want to go anymore ----------still i blame myself really after all if couldnt possibly be the so called management ofthe club could it ?
What political situation is that then?