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Coloured boots banned from youth set up.

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  • edited June 2010
    double post.
  • edited June 2010
    triple post!
  • edited June 2010
    [quote][cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]If there was anything to suggest that Charlton employed only the best and most successful coaches in the country I would not find this story so embarassing. Unfortunately, for the last few years Charlton have obviously employed only distinctly average coaches and as such they should not draw attention to themselves with such silly pronouncements.[/quote]

    OK - now just tell us exactly what you know about Damian Matthew. How many training sessions have you seen? How many U18 games did you see last season? Matthew is a fine coach and has been responsible for bringing through a far greater number of potential first team players, including Jonjo Shelvey, than the vast majority of 'academy' coaches do for other clubs. He has also been solicited by a number of other clubs both for their academy and as first team manager. He has stuck with us because he loves the club. Personally, I think he would be a great replacement for Parky but he's likely to be finally seduced by an offer from elsewhere. And while you're at it, with your wide knowledge of the training set-up and the coaches' capabilities, do tell us all your inside information about Steve Avory.
  • [cite]Posted By: Nadou[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]If there was anything to suggest that Charlton employed only the best and most successful coaches in the country I would not find this story so embarassing. Unfortunately, for the last few years Charlton have obviously employed only distinctly average coaches and as such they should not draw attention to themselves with such silly pronouncements.

    OK - now just tell us exactly what you know about Damian Matthew. How many training sessions have you seen? How many U18 games did you see last season? Matthew is a fine coach and has been responsible for bringing through a far greater number of potential first team players, including Jonjo Shelvey, than the vast majority of 'academy' coaches do for other clubs. He has also been solicited by a number of other clubs both for their academy and as first team manager. He has stuck with us because he loves the club. Personally, I think he would be a great replacement for Parky but he's likely to be finally seduced by an offer from elsewhere. And while you're at it, with your wide knowledge of the training set-up and the coaches' capabilities, do tell us all your inside information about Steve Avory.


    Did not see any under 18 games last season or any training sessions. But I can say with 100% confidence that not one team lost a match in the last 12 months, playing any where on this planet, because of the colour of the boots worn by one or two of the players.
  • And yet, without having seen any training sessions or U18 games you seem able to say with 100% confidence that we have "distinctly average coaches". I was pointing out that my experience is that they are much better than average, especially at academy level, and the proof is that just this last season two of our youth products - Sean McGinty and Jonjo Shelvey - were deemed good enough to be snapped up by leading Premiership clubs - an indication that they had been well coached. If Damian Matthew/Steve Avory/Steve Gritt, as part of the kind of ethos of mentality and discipline they wish to instil into the 'kids', decide they want them to play in black boots then I, for one, trust their judgement.
  • Agree with Nadou. OTT attack on the youth coaches with little evidence to back it up.

    Matthew isn't saying that the colour of boots alters results rather that some of the coloured boots are less safe and that is any case it is about discipline.

    If you read the article it's clear that Matthew has been speaking about discipline in a wider context and the coloured boots is just a small part of that. But the headline is about the ban on boots and so people have largely ignored the reasons for it.

    That Man Utd do it as well tells me there might be some logic behind it.
  • Agreed.

    Surely the whole thread of what Damien Matthew is saying refers to young players not getting distracted - and ensuring they keep focus on the fundamentals of learning the game at that level.


    Once players prove themselves as a regular 1st teamer, then management are happy for those players to make their own decisions.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Agreed.

    Surely the whole thread of what Damien Matthew is saying refers to young players not getting distracted - and ensuring they keep focus on the fundamentals of learning the game at that level.


    Once players prove themselves as a regular 1st teamer, then management are happy for those players to make their own decisions.

    Of course it is but that doesn't make a good headline.
  • Regardless of the colour, modern boots are too soft and liable to lead to foot injuries. I don't like them. Every now and again someone will stand on my foot and it bloody hurts. Its like having someone sit on a chair that's on your foot when you're wearing slippers. I never had that problem when I played in my early 20's (early 1990's). I'm even considering buying rugby boots next time. If anyone knows of some good football boots as they used to be made then I'd be interested.
  • We were chatting about this before the Swindon game.

    I remember when I was playing boys football and predator boots were the things to have. Now if the lad I was marking had a pair of them on he needed to be rapid or have tricks like Del Piero because he was going to get a big fat kick first chance I was given.

    That never left me throughout my playing days and I can say with conviction that average Sunday league players had no right to wear coloured boots. The first thing I would think when seeing a player wearing them again, was you are going to get a thump.
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  • Good. Coloured boots in most player's minds (especially at the level we're at)= flash little git, needs a good kick or three. Also instills discipline in individuals, important for any sort of team anywhere, and not just sport.
  • [cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]We were chatting about this before the Swindon game.

    I remember when I was playing boys football and predator boots were the things to have. Now if the lad I was marking had a pair of them on he needed to be rapid or have tricks like Del Piero because he was going to get a big fat kick first chance I was given.

    That never left me throughout my playing days and I can say with conviction that average Sunday league players had no right to wear coloured boots. The first thing I would think when seeing a player wearing them again, was you are going to get a thump.


    It's funny - because its true

    Same as any kid who wore shorts with a slit up the side - you knew they were a sprinter and therefore needed to be slowed down somehow (usually a dead leg did the trick)
  • Fergie banned them for Man Utd's youth team also
  • Thought I was in the black boots only camp until I saw the South Africa game today. Thought it looked smart with them all in their red boots. The couple of players that bucked the trend by wearing yellow boots should be fined though.
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