[cite]Posted By: CAFCROSS[/cite]im a life long charlton fan and i had a season ticket all the way through the seventies and i never heard derek hales be called killer
Most riduculous post for a long time.
I suppose you never heard Paul Gascoigne being called Gazza either.
Never heard him called Killer - it was only chanted about 5 times a game for more than 5 years.
[cite]Posted By: RalphMilnesgut[/cite]Perhaps CAFCROSS means on his birth certficate?
You would have to question the parents if indeed he was christened with Killer as a middle name.
Has any one questioned his parents?
I remember Halesy doing one of those 20 questions things for a footy mag back in the day; and in answer to the question,
"What would you be if you weren't a footballer?" he replied "A burglar"
[cite]Posted By: Mister Windscreen[/cite]I'm pretty sure Soudas£ named Peacock "The white Eusebeo" He always came up with names you couldnt sing...pointless but always makes me laugh looking back.
Funny you should mention that MW; I remember Keithie having one of his inspired games in the midfield engine room with Tydeman and my mate turned to me and said, "if he was a foot taller he'd be Cruyff".
He wasn't wrong!
[cite]Posted By: Mister Windscreen[/cite]I'm pretty sure Soudas£ named Peacock "The white Eusebeo" He always came up with names you couldnt sing...pointless but always makes me laugh looking back.
Also remember Millwall had Alec Stepney then Brian King, Palace had Bill Glazier then John Jackson , all excellent 'keepers BUT we had Charlie, the best of the lot! As an aside, why is it our teams of that time are remembered so affectionately? We were bumping up and down between the 2nd. and 3rd.with the '68/'69 season being the only really decent one, crowds were falling , we couldn't win away for over a year or so yet we have all these names and stories of players stored away just waiting to leap out again!
John Leslie played in goal for Millwall between Stepney DIV 4 and King DIV 2, Could be wrong but think Stepney came from Chelsea and played in goal for Millwall when they lost to non league Hendon 0-1 in fa cup early 60s.
Stepney went to Chelsea, then Man U. Millwall churned out a lot of good keepers in those days. Some of the reasons we remember those days with affection is that we could identify with the players, see them after the game, didn't hide in tinted 4WD, lived locally, characters that could laugh and make you laugh on and off the pitch. Not just nostalgia as I sensed some of that around this season where it isn't all about silly money ......hence the growing crowds in this and lower divisions.
Hales was always Killer, something to do with his shotgun and killing stuff. Everytime he scored or did something cool we would chant Kiiiiilllllerrrrr. Great striker inside the box but pretty naff outside, gave the ball away too much. Southampton had a striker a bit like Killer, Ted somebody. Same story poor build up player but awesome in the opposition penalty area.
[cite]Posted By: thewolfboy[/cite]Hales was always Killer, something to do with his shotgun and killing stuff. Everytime he scored or did something cool we would chant Kiiiiilllllerrrrr. Great striker inside the box but pretty naff outside, gave the ball away too much. Southampton had a striker a bit like Killer, Ted somebody. Same story poor build up player but awesome in the opposition penalty area.
Ted McDougall - went on to play for Man Yoo I think.
Macdougall is a Bournemouth legend. My Dad saw him score 9 goals in an 11-0 fa cup win against Margate, which I think is still a cup record. Now that takes some beating!
[cite]Posted By: Ollywozere[/cite]Macdougall is a Bournemouth legend. My Dad saw him score 9 goals in an 11-0 fa cup win against Margate, which I think is still a cup record. Now that takes some beating!
Yes, I was going to add that I seem to remember him scoring something like 9 goals in game, but didn't as I couldn't remember the detail.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Ollywozere[/cite]Macdougall is a Bournemouth legend. My Dad saw him score 9 goals in an 11-0 fa cup win against Margate, which I think is still a cup record. Now that takes some beating![/quote]
Yes, I was going to add that I seem to remember him scoring something like 9 goals in game, but didn't as I couldn't remember the detail.[/quote]
I remember he scored the 9th with his fist! Greedy b'stard
Hales was certainly known as Killer back in the seventies and during his first spell. I think it crept in the year he scored all those goals in division 2 (old money) but don't hang me if I'm wrong it was a long time ago now :-(
Allegedly he used to take a shotgun to training and shoot pigeons. Again allegedly he once offered to "sort somebody out" for another player.
One or both of those led to the nickname from what I've been told.
I remember reading Keith Peacock say that he christened Hales "Killer" on Hales first day of training, when Keith saw how deadly he was inside the area.
"Barry Kithcener, who played alongside 'arry Boy (how he ended up playing for us I'll never know), may have been known as Lurch but I'm sure big Dave was referred to as Lurch too. If not that then "Ship" anyway. We also did indeed sing "Ship Ship Shiperleeee"
I used to see Kitchener every morning on my walk to school. He used to work at his brothers greengrocers shop in Goodmayes and would be there early each morning in his white overalls putting out all the fruit and veg on display at the front of the shop, before going off to training. I can't imagine too many of todays players doing such a thing! He was a nice chap BTW as he must have got fed up with signing so many autographs for all us school kids.
"Barry Kithcener, who played alongside 'arry Boy (how he ended up playing for us I'll never know), may have been known as Lurch but I'm sure big Dave was referred to as Lurch too. If not that then "Ship" anyway. We also did indeed sing "Ship Ship Shiperleeee".
Not me, Queensland ...... I think it was Addict Addick who wrote that.
Right! From 'No Substitute' by Keith Peacock (ably assisted by Rick Everett:) ...........(re: Derek Hales: season 75/76).......I also gave him his famous nick-name. It came about during a pre-season cross country run, when I was jokingly offering odds on the other players and naming them as if they were racehorses to add to the comic effect. I called him 'Killer' because of the icy stare he would give anyone who upset him, even in training, but it summed up his killer instinct in front of goal. The fans picked up on the tag, adopted as a chant and it stayed with him throughout his career. Hales enjoyed his 'bandito' image and played up to it.
So no "Killer" chants in his 2 x Third Division seasons in the 70s.
There we have it, Peacock owns up to christening Halesy as "Killer" in the 1975 pre-season to our 1st second-tier season straight after promotion from the Third Division.
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Christ and I thought my memory was bad!
Where's Len Glover, he'll confirm it.
You would have to question the parents if indeed he was christened with Killer as a middle name.
Has any one questioned his parents?
Most riduculous post for a long time.
I suppose you never heard Paul Gascoigne being called Gazza either.
Never heard him called Killer - it was only chanted about 5 times a game for more than 5 years.
Unbelieveable.
I remember Halesy doing one of those 20 questions things for a footy mag back in the day; and in answer to the question,
"What would you be if you weren't a footballer?" he replied "A burglar"
Funny you should mention that MW; I remember Keithie having one of his inspired games in the midfield engine room with Tydeman and my mate turned to me and said, "if he was a foot taller he'd be Cruyff".
He wasn't wrong!
Yup!
Hales was and always will be Killer
Flanagan was Flash
Didn't Millwall used to sing 'zigga zagga Kitchener'
Ted McDougall - went on to play for Man Yoo I think.
Yes, I was going to add that I seem to remember him scoring something like 9 goals in game, but didn't as I couldn't remember the detail.
Yes, I was going to add that I seem to remember him scoring something like 9 goals in game, but didn't as I couldn't remember the detail.[/quote]
I remember he scored the 9th with his fist! Greedy b'stard
Allegedly he used to take a shotgun to training and shoot pigeons. Again allegedly he once offered to "sort somebody out" for another player.
One or both of those led to the nickname from what I've been told.
Anyone got written evidence as to when the 'Killer' tag began...?
"Barry Kithcener, who played alongside 'arry Boy (how he ended up playing for us I'll never know), may have been known as Lurch but I'm sure big Dave was referred to as Lurch too. If not that then "Ship" anyway. We also did indeed sing "Ship Ship Shiperleeee"
I used to see Kitchener every morning on my walk to school. He used to work at his brothers greengrocers shop in Goodmayes and would be there early each morning in his white overalls putting out all the fruit and veg on display at the front of the shop, before going off to training. I can't imagine too many of todays players doing such a thing!
He was a nice chap BTW as he must have got fed up with signing so many autographs for all us school kids.
Nor me.
As I said before, there was a period in the late 60s when he was known as "Snatch" - obviously because of his habit of scoring a goal out of nothing.
Not me, Queensland ...... I think it was Addict Addick who wrote that.
Just spotted your post, 3blokes. I posted on the previous page (post#30) that we knew him as Snatch.
So no "Killer" chants in his 2 x Third Division seasons in the 70s.
There we have it, Peacock owns up to christening Halesy as "Killer" in the 1975 pre-season to our 1st second-tier season straight after promotion from the Third Division.