[cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite]Anyone else beginning to think that there is more than this than meets the eye?
There have been hundreds of volcanic eruptions over the past 50 years and the only example they can show of a plane being affected by it all was this BA 747 that had problems back in 1982 - and only because he flew directly into the ash cloud above the volcano for about 20 minutes.
With these clear blue skies and being 1000 miles away from this small eruption, I can't believe that a modern jet airliner can't fly through what little volcanic ash is up there, for a couple of minutes, without suffering a catastophic engine failure.
Or is it just that our H&S mad society has deemed the risk too great?
Maybe, but then if something did happen there would outrage
I think the risk, however small, is there. Airlines wont take any chances whatsoever. If there was an accident then the outcry would be immense and could put an airline out of business overnight.
[cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite]Anyone else beginning to think that there is more than this than meets the eye?
There have been hundreds of volcanic eruptions over the past 50 years and the only example they can show of a plane being affected by it all was this BA 747 that had problems back in 1982 - and only because he flew directly into the ash cloud above the volcano for about 20 minutes.
With these clear blue skies and being 1000 miles away from this small eruption, I can't believe that a modern jet airliner can't fly through what little volcanic ash is up there, for a couple of minutes, without suffering a catastophic engine failure.
Or is it just that our H&S mad society has deemed the risk too great?
The problem is that this volcano is under ice.
"When a typical volcano erupts, it spews ash and a variety of gases into the air. However, when a volcano sitting under a thick ice sheet blows its top, as in Iceland, it can give rise to a larger and higher-rising ash plume.
In such a case, the plume results from an explosive mix of molten rock, erupting magma and ice. When the magma hits the glacial ice, it cools extremely rapidly and in the process, shatters into fine, flour-like material, which is light enough to be carried miles into the sky.
At the same time, the emerging magma melts the ice. As more magma is ejected, it encounters larger amounts of meltwater, which generates more steam. These enormous steam plumes rise skyward, carrying with them volcanic gases and the magma-produced fine ash, which makes up the ash cloud floating above Europe.
This interaction can last until all the ice near the volcanic vent has disappeared. Then the ash plume will only consist of the usual magma and volcanic gases emitted, the same as any typical volcano where ice isn't involved."
[quote][cite]Posted By: Addickted[/cite] Or is it just that our H&S mad society has deemed the risk too great?[/quote]
There is no doubt that our society is far more risk-averse than in previous years. This is partially down to the fact that the lawyers and accountants now rule the roost and as a result we have also become far more litigious. Having said all of that, when it comes to air travel, the authorities have to err on the side of caution because the consequences of an A380 (for example) falling out of the sky over Central London are too awful to contemplate.
However, its a safe bet that someone, somewhere will be working on a way of effectively filtering aero engines even if the solution is some years down the line.
ha ha ha no worries and im on lunch now - we are averaging 200 calls an hour on a team that takes usually 300 a day!
I hate travel insurance right now and the association of british insurers who have advised that no travel insurance policy should cover "an act of god" what the hell?
I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!!
Am stuck in Washington DC. Was due to fly home last Friday, landing Sat morning in time to get to the Norwich game.
Went to the airport and was told the earliest flight I could be rebooked on was April 27. That's if they get flying at all by then...
Meanwhile, it's costing 180 dollars a night for a very ordinary hotel here in DC...multiply that by the extra unplanned 12 nights and it's pretty catastrophic, really.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!!
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!!
[quote][cite]Posted By: PL54[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!![/quote]
And there's no money in teaching ?![/quote]
I think when you get to be a head and you have no dependants its not bad and if you get to be a deputy head and your husband is head of a leading inner city secondary school and your kids have left home you can afford a buck or too. And Goa is pretty cheap these days.
I've been told insurance companies will evade their moral and financial obligations by pleading "Act of God."
Even if they eventually lose the obfuscation tactic of letting the legal system grind its slow and painful course, with appeals thrown in, will ensure a goodly number of would-be claimants will fall by the wayside.
The same tactic worked a treat for the banks and penalty charges.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!!
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]I know someone who is stuck in the states and was told yesterday that the earliest they would get back would be 7th May - not a happy bunny, she's head of a primary school, her deputy head is stuck in Naples and the premises officer in Goa!!
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]I've been told insurance companies will evade their moral and financial obligations by pleading "Act of God."
Even if they eventually lose the obfuscation tactic of letting the legal system grind its slow and painful course, with appeals thrown in, will ensure a goodly number of would-be claimants will fall by the wayside.
The same tactic worked a treat for the banks and penalty charges.
This is unlikely as the Association of British Insurers have already commented on it, see earlier in the thread.
Starting to get serious now and have heard of a few friends and others being told they won't be coming back to 5th May, 7th may etc. Someone i know due to fly back last week from Australia has had to take on a bit of cleaning work out there to keep going for the next couple of weeks.
If any of you stuck abroad need any (non-monetary) favours that people on here may be able to help with, don't be afriad to ask.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]I've been told insurance companies will evade their moral and financial obligations by pleading "Act of God."
Even if they eventually lose the obfuscation tactic of letting the legal system grind its slow and painful course, with appeals thrown in, will ensure a goodly number of would-be claimants will fall by the wayside.
The same tactic worked a treat for the banks and penalty charges.
This is unlikely as the Association of British Insurers have already commented on it, see earlier in the thread.
..."I hear the ABI don't recognise the act of god exemption
ABI on act of god exemption
wow sometimes it is actually 'useful' that I work in reinsurance..
essentially check your individual policy clauses to see what is actually covered and what is not. ..."
Insurance companies may not use that precise terminology but that article states to check terms and conditions.
I wouldn't mind betting that, even if the precise wording "Act of God" is not used, there will be exclusion clauses for exceptional natural causes, beyond our reasonable control or whatever generic summary phrase you choose to use.
I think when you get to be a head and you have no dependants its not bad and if you get to be a deputy head and your husband is head of a leading inner city secondary school and your kids have left home you can afford a buck or too. And Goa is pretty cheap these days.
Not sure about that these days. I know a few heads of schools that are in there early 40s and my sister in law was a deputy head of Harlow the biggest sec modern there when she was 36. remember most teachers can retire at 55 or 60 still, or at least have been able to!
Everyone is entitled to a holiday, just seems now aday's everyone seems to jump on a jet 5 times a year, and ironically lecture to people about global warming.
teachers talking down to pupils and parents surely not..... ! As one myself ( teacher) been guilty of this double standard in the past,( dark sarcasm in the classroom) but do try and restrain myself , much rather spend 6 hours on the M1 in traffic jams so much more frustrating!...... ' we don't need no education'.....
[cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]
Not sure about that these days. I know a few heads of schools that are in there early 40s and my sister in law was a deputy head of Harlow the biggest sec modern there when she was 36.
remember most teachers can retire at 55 or 60 still, or at least have been able to!
My wife was made deputy head at 32 (although she had plenty of experience looking after kids by living with me!)
"Air traffic control service Nats has extended flight restrictions to 0100 BST Tuesday, but ministers are hopeful airspace may reopen later that day.
Transport Secretary Lord Adonis said Met Office reports of a "dramatic reduction in volcanic activity on Monday morning" meant it might be possible to open airspace on Tuesday if the reduction was sustained.
"If it's possible to start opening airports tomorrow, contingency plans are being put in place to get as many people through those airports as fast as possible," he told BBC News.
So there's a slight possibility of some flights tomorrow??
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Maybe, but then if something did happen there would outrage
Not worth the risk.
regarding health and safety, I would deffo err on the side of caution with air travel..
The problem is that this volcano is under ice.
"When a typical volcano erupts, it spews ash and a variety of gases into the air. However, when a volcano sitting under a thick ice sheet blows its top, as in Iceland, it can give rise to a larger and higher-rising ash plume.
In such a case, the plume results from an explosive mix of molten rock, erupting magma and ice. When the magma hits the glacial ice, it cools extremely rapidly and in the process, shatters into fine, flour-like material, which is light enough to be carried miles into the sky.
At the same time, the emerging magma melts the ice. As more magma is ejected, it encounters larger amounts of meltwater, which generates more steam. These enormous steam plumes rise skyward, carrying with them volcanic gases and the magma-produced fine ash, which makes up the ash cloud floating above Europe.
This interaction can last until all the ice near the volcanic vent has disappeared. Then the ash plume will only consist of the usual magma and volcanic gases emitted, the same as any typical volcano where ice isn't involved."
Or is it just that our H&S mad society has deemed the risk too great?[/quote]
There is no doubt that our society is far more risk-averse than in previous years. This is partially down to the fact that the lawyers and accountants now rule the roost and as a result we have also become far more litigious. Having said all of that, when it comes to air travel, the authorities have to err on the side of caution because the consequences of an A380 (for example) falling out of the sky over Central London are too awful to contemplate.
However, its a safe bet that someone, somewhere will be working on a way of effectively filtering aero engines even if the solution is some years down the line.
Sorry mate, didn't look at the time you posted.
I hate travel insurance right now and the association of british insurers who have advised that no travel insurance policy should cover "an act of god" what the hell?
linky
Went to the airport and was told the earliest flight I could be rebooked on was April 27. That's if they get flying at all by then...
Meanwhile, it's costing 180 dollars a night for a very ordinary hotel here in DC...multiply that by the extra unplanned 12 nights and it's pretty catastrophic, really.
7th May!! That's ridiculous.
will the extra nights be refunded by travel insurance? one for dazzler.
And there's no money in teaching ?!
And there's no money in teaching ?![/quote]
I think when you get to be a head and you have no dependants its not bad and if you get to be a deputy head and your husband is head of a leading inner city secondary school and your kids have left home you can afford a buck or too. And Goa is pretty cheap these days.
Even if they eventually lose the obfuscation tactic of letting the legal system grind its slow and painful course, with appeals thrown in, will ensure a goodly number of would-be claimants will fall by the wayside.
The same tactic worked a treat for the banks and penalty charges.
Whys he in Goal ?
'Cos he can't shoot straight?
This is unlikely as the Association of British Insurers have already commented on it, see earlier in the thread.
If any of you stuck abroad need any (non-monetary) favours that people on here may be able to help with, don't be afriad to ask.
Flying looks out of the question for a while now, seems
to have been no new news for a fair while.
Ive been waiting for Easyjet to cancel my flight, that will neve happen for over 24 hrs now.
..."I hear the ABI don't recognise the act of god exemption
ABI on act of god exemption
wow sometimes it is actually 'useful' that I work in reinsurance..
essentially check your individual policy clauses to see what is actually covered and what is not. ..."
Insurance companies may not use that precise terminology but that article states to check terms and conditions.
I wouldn't mind betting that, even if the precise wording "Act of God" is not used, there will be exclusion clauses for exceptional natural causes, beyond our reasonable control or whatever generic summary phrase you choose to use.
Not sure about that these days. I know a few heads of schools that are in there early 40s and my sister in law was a deputy head of Harlow the biggest sec modern there when she was 36.
remember most teachers can retire at 55 or 60 still, or at least have been able to!
Everyone is entitled to a holiday, just seems now aday's everyone seems to jump on a jet 5 times a year, and ironically lecture to people about global warming.
teachers talking down to pupils and parents surely not..... ! As one myself ( teacher) been guilty of this double standard in the past,( dark sarcasm in the classroom) but do try and restrain myself , much rather spend 6 hours on the M1 in traffic jams so much more frustrating!...... ' we don't need no education'.....
My wife was made deputy head at 32 (although she had plenty of experience looking after kids by living with me!)
"Air traffic control service Nats has extended flight restrictions to 0100 BST Tuesday, but ministers are hopeful airspace may reopen later that day.
Transport Secretary Lord Adonis said Met Office reports of a "dramatic reduction in volcanic activity on Monday morning" meant it might be possible to open airspace on Tuesday if the reduction was sustained.
"If it's possible to start opening airports tomorrow, contingency plans are being put in place to get as many people through those airports as fast as possible," he told BBC News.
So there's a slight possibility of some flights tomorrow??