[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]So, if "fan" is indeed derived from the word "fanatic" as you suggest then the people booing cannot be "fans", can they?
How ? If they are fanatical about their team it does.
Are you suprised that people are dissatisfied with our current plight ? We're clinging onto third place, could be gone by tomorrow. We needed a big performance as a response to the Millwall game, to show the players faith in Parkinson more than anything, and we got a 2-2 draw with the worst team away from home in this league. If Parkinson feels this result vindicates him after the Millwall debacle then he is very, very wrong.
The people who boo are almost certainly doing so because they love this club and can't stand aside, grinning all the way and merrily singing "CAFC" as we lurch from one disaster on the pitch to another. There comes a time when the players are going to be in for some stick and they have to deal with it and use it as an inspiration. If we really have any players who cannot accept public criticism when things are going badly then I would suggest they are in the wrong profession.
You can't say these people, who pay there money, aren't "supporters" - by buying a ticket they are indeed supporting this club. If this team is not playing to it's potential then I would say pretending everything is ok and that we will win games through the power of positive thinking alone is actually more harmful than letting the players know that their current performances are unacceptable.
I'm getting sick of some of the so called fans too. I was sitting in row X upper North block H and a few seats away from me there was this complete moron who booed Mooney in teh warm up and throughout the match. He knows who he is and he should be ashamed. Why do morons like that bother going? I think Mooney is the only striker we have who makes intelligent runs and i rate the guy. If we don't go up this year then Mr Grey haired twat in Row X and others like him can take credit for that. Sure Parky has made mistakes , sure we are not playing that well , but how can booing the team before kick off help?
[cite]Posted By: Bedsaddick[/cite]If we don't go up this year then Mr Grey haired twat in Row X and others like him can take credit for that.
I really feel all the credit will be due to Mr Parkinson and some of his "players".
After all "Mr Grey haired twat in Row X" will probably be back again next year. Most of the players wont if we don't go up so who do you think has Charlton's best intrests at heart ?
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]So, if "fan" is indeed derived from the word "fanatic" as you suggest then the people booing cannot be "fans", can they?
How ? If they are fanatical about their team it does.
Err ...... read the definition again. "a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics"
It's not my definition so don't shoot the messenger.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]
Are you suprised that people are dissatisfied with our current plight ?
Nope, not surprised at all.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]
You can't say these people, who pay there money, aren't "supporters"
I wasn't aware that I had said that. Read what I said again. I was simply referring to the use of the term "fan" and whether it was derived from the word "fanatic" or not.
maybe they are an offshoot from the church of charlton and that part of their religion is to boo as they reckon they are acting in the best interest of the club.
May I ask se9addick and other booers and pro-booers when exactly they started booing their own side? Did they boo individual players in our first year in the Premiership, for example? Are they saying that they only boo to let the players and management know that they, the booers, feel the team and coaching staff aren't doing their best or pulling their weight? If the latter, and, given that this open venting of spleen and sharing of emotions with those on the field or touchline is only a relatively recent introduction, am I to understand there's never been a player or manager they could find fault with before they started booing?
said it before and i will say say it again im not one to boo i find it childish but let me tell you know i show my dissaproval in other ways and this team at the moment deserve it, in this league our players earn a good wage compared to others and some of them want to be ashamed ot themselves in my eyes they lack passion and commitment the manager is a joke , so in my eyes people are right to av the arse with it so all you goody goodys shut up talking crap.
if we do make it up somehow, tell me this how many players will turn round to the fans and say thanks and shake our hands ?
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]f we do make it up somehow, tell me this how many players will turn round to the fans and say thanks and shake our hands ?
[cite]Posted By: boogica[/cite]f we do make it up somehow, tell me this how many players will turn round to the fans and say thanks and shake our hands ?
Interesting that on the OS vote for MOTM out of a choice of David Mooney, Jose Semedo and Theiry Racon 3127 vote make Mooney the winner with 91% of the vote.
Football is a confidence thing. Booing/catcalling just makes players feel bad and they are less likely to do well. Mind you at Millwall I felt like giving them stick for that 2nd half peformance.
message to parky choose the right team from the start and we wont need to boo them!!! mooney has been awful do not deserve to be on the team or bench, rather see one of the young ones up there than him, dont tell me about support i have followed them everywhere this season but sometimes like millwall away i just wont to kill them i dont mind losing as long as there is pride in there shirt and have some fight about them and not just roll over
I think we should take it up a notch and start throwing things and the players before during and after the game... this clubs support has basically collapsed, from the days of clearing out the vally and the valley party to a new stadium with a batch of supporters who arent fit to the represent the club.... GO AWAY AND DONT COME BACK
thought the half-time booing was unjustified as we were okay first half and unlucky to go in losing. Thought the booing at the end was aimed at Parkinson and completely justified. The man hasn't a clue. I'd rather fans booed him at a game rather than wait outside afterwards and give him abuse or hunt down where he lives and give him and his family abuse which is what would happen at a lot of other clubs. If he can't stand the heat perhaps he should get out of the kitchen or maybe start picking the right team from the start and not stumble upon it in the 79th minute or perhaps try playing the most talented player at the club now and again. Ah, a 100k a year and you get booed for being bad at your job. Oh well.
If we want the players and Parky to do their heartfelt best for the club, then they need to love the club and everything that comes with it including the supporters. They need to go out and want to win with all their hearts, like Steve Brown did. They are NOT going to want to do well for us if they don't like us and don't feel happy here. I know they are all getting paid a lot of money so are paid to give it their all; but there is a big difference between doing something because it's your job and trying to do your job well, and Doing something because you love it and your heart is completely in it.
I don't blame the booers at all because supporting Charlton at the moment is a rollercoaster of emotions of which anger and disappointment are a huge part, however, I do believe that the booing is doing no good in the long run as it is likely to make them resent the supporters and in turn the club. Remember for a footballer to play with heart they need to care like a supporter.
'all you goody goodys shut up talking crap' nice Boogy, nice. When you've finished talking like a ten year old, i would like to commend you for keeping your frustrations in during the game. I am just as frustrated as those that boo but i choose not to as i feel like the above comment it makes us sound like a bunch of kids who've lost an argument & can think of nothing better to say. Message to the booers, think of some whitty song to sing instead. Message to Parky & the players, play up! There is no better feeling than proving your doubters wrong. COYR!
[cite]Posted By: Curb_It[/cite]course he is serious se9. Why would he not be serious. If you got booed doing your job you wouldn feel bad?
If I get criticised at work then, if it’s justified, it makes me buck my ideas up. Booing is the only way for fans to collectively let the players and manager know that their efforts are not good enough.
Someone said on the previous page “When did you start booing” well I’d say the first time I can really remember was just last week at the end of the Millwall game. Then again at half time and full time. I don’t think I’ve ever booed during a game and would certainly not boo before a game. That’s just me being honest.
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite].... GO AWAY AND DONT COME BACK
Wind it in mate. If we had it your way there’d be 6,000 attendances but at least they’d all be merrily singing “red army” and clapping the team off the pitch after 4-0 drubbings to Millwall as the club you supposedly love sinks closer to oblivion.
honestly if you get booed at work i'd look for another job as its just childish.
Well i can tell you know some pratt near me started booing at millwall last saturday when we were one nil down. an absolute idiot.. him and his little pals - about 16.
I’m not saying all booing is justified. At 1-0 down v Millwall when we’d previously been on a good run then it’s stupid. But surely you can see the difference between that and then fans venting their frustrations after we’ve drawn at home with the worst away team in the league despite being promised a big performance on the back of a humiliation off one of our biggest rivals ?
I work in an office so I doubt it would be appropriate for my superiors to boo me, it would be rather odd so I don’t feel the comparison is 100% accurate. As I said the fans have no access to the players other than the 90 minutes a week when we are graced by their presence – therefore I see no other realistic way of showing your dissatisfaction with them other than booing at the end of the game.
i doubt that if i had an builder or carpenter in and they did work for me that i thought was a bit shoddy (honestly, this has happened to some people) well i admit i wouldn't hold back from criticising them for fear that the poor loves feeling might get hurt and they might not be able to deal with that when they go on their next job. but that's just me.
Surely a building is either built well or isn't? If it could collapse within a week then somethings clearly wrong. A football clubs position is different as there are so many opinions on whether or not the club are having a good season or not, and who's making mistakes and who's done all they can. Don't think you can really compare judging a football clubs season with judging work done by a builder or carpenter.
My girlfriend would like to thank you all for giving us our weekends back together. Because I will not be (Wasting my time) attending many more game this season to watch this debacle unfold.
but you were prepared to pay them over the odds to do it anyway and as they got into their van parts of the roof gave way,would you then say never mind not your fault mate and can you come back soon and i'll have some more work for you? or would you then feel justified in criticizing?
The bottom line is that I can't recall any other example (no doubt those of you with more time on your hands than me will now proceed to trawl the internet for some examples) where a team's striker has felt obliged to celebrate his goal by running back towards his own fans with his hand cupped towards his ear in a gesture of defiance. For this to happen at Charlton, the club whose fans fought tooth and nail to get us back to our spiritual home, is a disgrace and an embarrassment.
All those that spend £20 so that they can then boo the whole time (a) need their heads examining - why bother spending money on something which obviously makes you miserable? - and (b) will get what they deserve when a team which lacks any confidence to play proper football at home fails miserably to achieve success, therefore loses its best players, therefore achieves even less success.
End of as far as I am concerned, and all this freedom of choice, pay your money and do what you like crap is a load of old cobblers. If you don't like what you see, then just don't go.
[cite]Posted By: Heath Hero[/cite]The bottom line is that I can't recall any other example (no doubt those of you with more time on your hands than me will now proceed to trawl the internet for some examples) where a team's striker has felt obliged to celebrate his goal by running back towards his own fans with his hand cupped towards his ear in a gesture of defiance. For this to happen at Charlton, the club whose fans fought tooth and nail to get us back to our spiritual home, is a disgrace and an embarrassment.
All those that spend £20 so that they can then boo the whole time (a) need their heads examining - why bother spending money on something which obviously makes you miserable? - and (b) will get what they deserve when a team which lacks any confidence to play proper football at home fails miserably to achieve success, therefore loses its best players, therefore achieves even less success.
End of as far as I am concerned, and all this freedom of choice, pay your money and do what you like crap is a load of old cobblers. If you don't like what you see, then just don't go.
Yeah mate, that's the problem though isn't it - you hit the nail on the head and don't even realise it!
The paying customers don't like what they are seeing - that is why people are not going and next season is going to be worse.
The attitude of turning against the paying customer will backfire on the club and the fans that think this situation or the recent performances are acceptable.
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How ? If they are fanatical about their team it does.
Are you suprised that people are dissatisfied with our current plight ? We're clinging onto third place, could be gone by tomorrow. We needed a big performance as a response to the Millwall game, to show the players faith in Parkinson more than anything, and we got a 2-2 draw with the worst team away from home in this league. If Parkinson feels this result vindicates him after the Millwall debacle then he is very, very wrong.
The people who boo are almost certainly doing so because they love this club and can't stand aside, grinning all the way and merrily singing "CAFC" as we lurch from one disaster on the pitch to another. There comes a time when the players are going to be in for some stick and they have to deal with it and use it as an inspiration. If we really have any players who cannot accept public criticism when things are going badly then I would suggest they are in the wrong profession.
You can't say these people, who pay there money, aren't "supporters" - by buying a ticket they are indeed supporting this club. If this team is not playing to it's potential then I would say pretending everything is ok and that we will win games through the power of positive thinking alone is actually more harmful than letting the players know that their current performances are unacceptable.
I was sitting in row X upper North block H and a few seats away from me there was this complete moron who booed Mooney in teh warm up and throughout the match. He knows who he is and he should be ashamed. Why do morons like that bother going?
I think Mooney is the only striker we have who makes intelligent runs and i rate the guy.
If we don't go up this year then Mr Grey haired twat in Row X and others like him can take credit for that.
Sure Parky has made mistakes , sure we are not playing that well , but how can booing the team before kick off help?
I really feel all the credit will be due to Mr Parkinson and some of his "players".
After all "Mr Grey haired twat in Row X" will probably be back again next year. Most of the players wont if we don't go up so who do you think has Charlton's best intrests at heart ?
"a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion or politics"
It's not my definition so don't shoot the messenger. Nope, not surprised at all. I wasn't aware that I had said that. Read what I said again. I was simply referring to the use of the term "fan" and whether it was derived from the word "fanatic" or not.
if we do make it up somehow, tell me this how many players will turn round to the fans and say thanks and shake our hands ?
14
i dont think so do we av 14 players ?
Are you serious ?
I don't blame the booers at all because supporting Charlton at the moment is a rollercoaster of emotions of which anger and disappointment are a huge part, however, I do believe that the booing is doing no good in the long run as it is likely to make them resent the supporters and in turn the club. Remember for a footballer to play with heart they need to care like a supporter.
If I get criticised at work then, if it’s justified, it makes me buck my ideas up. Booing is the only way for fans to collectively let the players and manager know that their efforts are not good enough.
Someone said on the previous page “When did you start booing” well I’d say the first time I can really remember was just last week at the end of the Millwall game. Then again at half time and full time. I don’t think I’ve ever booed during a game and would certainly not boo before a game. That’s just me being honest.
Wind it in mate. If we had it your way there’d be 6,000 attendances but at least they’d all be merrily singing “red army” and clapping the team off the pitch after 4-0 drubbings to Millwall as the club you supposedly love sinks closer to oblivion.
Well i can tell you know some pratt near me started booing at millwall last saturday when we were one nil down. an absolute idiot.. him and his little pals - about 16.
I work in an office so I doubt it would be appropriate for my superiors to boo me, it would be rather odd so I don’t feel the comparison is 100% accurate. As I said the fans have no access to the players other than the 90 minutes a week when we are graced by their presence – therefore I see no other realistic way of showing your dissatisfaction with them other than booing at the end of the game.
My girlfriend would like to thank you all for giving us our weekends back together. Because I will not be (Wasting my time) attending many more game this season to watch this debacle unfold.
All those that spend £20 so that they can then boo the whole time (a) need their heads examining - why bother spending money on something which obviously makes you miserable? - and (b) will get what they deserve when a team which lacks any confidence to play proper football at home fails miserably to achieve success, therefore loses its best players, therefore achieves even less success.
End of as far as I am concerned, and all this freedom of choice, pay your money and do what you like crap is a load of old cobblers. If you don't like what you see, then just don't go.
Yeah mate, that's the problem though isn't it - you hit the nail on the head and don't even realise it!
The paying customers don't like what they are seeing - that is why people are not going and next season is going to be worse.
The attitude of turning against the paying customer will backfire on the club and the fans that think this situation or the recent performances are acceptable.