I'll probably get sunk for this but here goes anyway.
My Mum has just spent a week in St Thomas', rushed in on an emergency nearly died, high dependency etc but home and doing a little better now.
She received fantastic care from a staff team with a broader ethnic background than the United Nations, whilst in A and E, all the other people waiting to be seen and the majority on Mum's ward also came from a BME background
The health service would collapse without immigrant staff and apparently the pressures of immigration will cause the collapse of the health service in 20 years.
Really interested in what people's take on this issue is (hopefully without the usual ranting)
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There was a good programme on recently where they got people who were moaning about not being able to get jobs because of immigrants and gave them the jobs that immigrants were doing. With predictable results.
Not sure about how to handle the over-subscription of the service, but maybe some kind of a two tier system where if you have a number of years as a tax payer you get a better service, might help. But no politician in their right mind would ever bring that in...
She's not doing bad for someone who was given 6 months to live 12 years ago!
This country needed mass immigration after the war, currently we're going through completely different problems.
As things stand thanks to the EU, specifically the Single European Act of 1986 signed by Margaret Thatcher, the elected UK Government has no powers to prevent immigration from 26 other EU countries. In other words the elected UK Government has no control over the number of immigrants entering the country. In theory the entire population of another EU country could decide to come to the UK and as "good Europeans" there is sweet fa the Government could do about it. It is only fair to point out that UK nationals have a similar right to movement within the EU but statistically a lot more come in than go out.
If the UK left the EU it could pick and choose the immigrants it accepts, as the USA and Australia do, thus enabling services such as the NHS which rely heavily on immigrant labour to function effectively as quality professionals could be recruited.
You did ask!!
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1) In this country private health care still leans heavily on the NHS
2) It would be a bit rude to say to the people who are paying the lions share that they shouldn't benefit from a service. It'd be interesting to see who uses/abuses the system more, I don't know but my guess is that it's not the posh that are clogging up A and E.
Long may both continue.
If someone wants to come and work here they can have gradually increased benefits dependent the amount of N.I. contributions they have paid or get sponsored by a relative/employer.
Until we are bankrupt!
Can't go on like this, it is simply not sustainable
Well said.
as long as these women are attractive i totally agree, anything a bit rough shouldn't be allowed in
No comparison, China is a huge country and the people have a much lower standard of living.
Pay out more in benefits etc than you get in tax/N.I. do the sums!
Agree we should control our own borders and also agree about the access to services based on NI contributions, however, where does that leave the 2 and 3 generations of unemployed white working class on large number of inner city estates (i've been working with these families for years, they exist). Dad, Grandad etc never worked or contributed, expect the rest of us to pay. In addressing issues of health tourism and immigration we have to have a solution to that as well!
Try a local one
The care from forgein nationals was around 90% disgraceful.
FACT i have witnessed first hand bad treatment to people in my wife's ward and to my wife as well
It got that bad my wife got from her bed to help a eldery lady to the comode as the Nurse kissed her lips walked out when asked to help!!!!!!!
Certainly at QEH Woolwich many of the Doctors and nurses caring for my dad are immigrants of some sort or heritage and doing a hard job well.
And regardless if immigrant NHS staff are 100% excellent or 100% terrible that's not really, IMHO an argument for or against controlled immigration.
and our country is and will continual to suffer.......of course some will agree and some will disagree.......but you did ask,
The vast majority of imigrants to this country come here to work and thus contribe to the economy. This is not so much the case with retiring brits. Can i use your spanish / french / portugese hospital please? No you havent contributed! Doesnt stack up.
I really dont understand how people dont see the otherside of this argument. All of these imigrants countries have reciprical agreements with us. So if it is so easy, go over to theirs and try it. Should you choose to move to scandinavia you would be earning considerably more money relative to the same job here and could send back cash to your family here. Give it a go. I wonder why not many brits do? Language and cant be arsed because life is easy here.